You know you have made it when.....

[Eriul]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

 

[Eriul]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

Dude, quit wasting your time on our increasingly ignorant fan base.

These losers are so jaded that Montana football isnt relevant on any level anymore so all they have left is to trash the king. Wentz achieved more in college than any of the QBs on Urinals list and he will more than likely do it in the NFL if he has an OL. Either way he is the most complete and talented QB that anyone with a clue has seen come out of college in our lifetime.

These idiots wont admit that because their idea of pride wont let them.

You still have 0 room to talk about NFL talent seeing as how you STILL think Kroy biermann and Dan Carpenter are better than Trumaine Johnson. And you are CRAZY if you think Wentz is the best QB prospect in our lifetime...He's arguably not even the best prospect in this class...

 

[Eriul]

Little known fact: Every FCS drafted QB has made it to the Super Bowl.

Nope

 

[SoldierGriz]

Romo?

Nope....not many playoff wins either...

 

[Glendivegriz]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

Dude, quit wasting your time on our increasingly ignorant fan base.

These losers are so jaded that Montana football isnt relevant on any level anymore so all they have left is to trash the king. Wentz achieved more in college than any of the QBs on Urinals list and he will more than likely do it in the NFL if he has an OL. Either way he is the most complete and talented QB that anyone with a clue has seen come out of college in our lifetime.

These idiots wont admit that because their idea of pride wont let them.

Now your grasping. No way he has the most talent ever. If that was the case, he would be a sure fire #1 pick. Scouts even dispute if he is the number 1 in this years draft. Using your own argument, he has played against inferior quality opponents. Certainly not much of measure according to you.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The people claiming Wentz isnt a number one pick dont know shit, they are the smae people that claimed Jamarcus Russell was a number one pick so I dont put any relevance into their opinions most of them are racially motivated anyway.

There is not one QB that has the footwork, speed, intelligence, arm strength and intangibles that Wentz has coming out of college. The closest thing is Andrew Luck and Wentz has way more upside.

I dont need to hyp Wentz his play speaks for itself and he will do it against any level of competition. I was right 3 years ago and I will be in another 3,

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

Dude, quit wasting your time on our increasingly ignorant fan base.

These losers are so jaded that Montana football isnt relevant on any level anymore so all they have left is to trash the king. Wentz achieved more in college than any of the QBs on Urinals list and he will more than likely do it in the NFL if he has an OL. Either way he is the most complete and talented QB that anyone with a clue has seen come out of college in our lifetime.

These idiots wont admit that because their idea of pride wont let them.

You still have 0 room to talk about NFL talent seeing as how you STILL think Kroy biermann and Dan Carpenter are better than Trumaine Johnson. And you are CRAZY if you think Wentz is the best QB prospect in our lifetime...He's arguably not even the best prospect in this class...

Biermann and Carpenter have been way more productive in their careers than any other former Griz, Biermann has 2 or 3 TDs from the defensive side of the ball. Sorry you cant compare anyone to them yet they are far and away the best we have ever had in the NFL.

 

[get'em_griz]

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

Dude, quit wasting your time on our increasingly ignorant fan base.

These losers are so jaded that Montana football isnt relevant on any level anymore so all they have left is to trash the king. Wentz achieved more in college than any of the QBs on Urinals list and he will more than likely do it in the NFL if he has an OL. Either way he is the most complete and talented QB that anyone with a clue has seen come out of college in our lifetime.

These idiots wont admit that because their idea of pride wont let them.

You still have 0 room to talk about NFL talent seeing as how you STILL think Kroy biermann and Dan Carpenter are better than Trumaine Johnson. And you are CRAZY if you think Wentz is the best QB prospect in our lifetime...He's arguably not even the best prospect in this class...

Biermann and Carpenter have been way more productive in their careers than any other former Griz, Biermann has 2 or 3 TDs from the defensive side of the ball. Sorry you cant compare anyone to them yet they are far and away the best we have ever had in the NFL.

Alpha,

Out of curiosity, do you happen know how many games Wentz started in his college career and what his win/loss record is in those starts? It'd be interesting stuff to see. The guy is definitely one of the all-time greats at this level which makes it even more impressive that the Griz were one of the few teams to beat him.

 

[toyota1]

after watching the NFL network and ndsu proday workout with Wentz, pretty impressive. He can reall y throw well on the run especially gifted rolling left. Very hard to be accurate with that throw and he does it well. I think his arm and athletic ability are not his best attribute. work ethic and his mind are. What a recruiting tool the NFL network must be for them. Their logo is everywhere.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

 

[grizband]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya maybe. Either way those guys are 1 and 1a in terms of greatest FCS QB's of all time, but Wentz is significantly more talented and a better QB prospect that those guys.

Point is, being the greatest FCS QB of all time or putting up record stats as an FCS QB DOES NOT mean you are a justifiable first round draft pick as a QB.

 

[Eriul]

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

Dude, quit wasting your time on our increasingly ignorant fan base.

These losers are so jaded that Montana football isnt relevant on any level anymore so all they have left is to trash the king. Wentz achieved more in college than any of the QBs on Urinals list and he will more than likely do it in the NFL if he has an OL. Either way he is the most complete and talented QB that anyone with a clue has seen come out of college in our lifetime.

These idiots wont admit that because their idea of pride wont let them.

You still have 0 room to talk about NFL talent seeing as how you STILL think Kroy biermann and Dan Carpenter are better than Trumaine Johnson. And you are CRAZY if you think Wentz is the best QB prospect in our lifetime...He's arguably not even the best prospect in this class...

Biermann and Carpenter have been way more productive in their careers than any other former Griz, Biermann has 2 or 3 TDs from the defensive side of the ball. Sorry you cant compare anyone to them yet they are far and away the best we have ever had in the NFL.

Kroy: 8 years
T: 331(41/year)
S: 23.5(4/year)
PD: 5(.5/year)
I: 2(.25/year)
TD: 2(.25/year)



Tru: 4 years
T: 178(44.5/year)
S: 0(0/year)
PD:42(10.5/year)
I:15(3.75/year)
TD: 2(.5/year)


soooo.... your lone argument of Kroy having 2 tds goes the same for Tru who has had half the time. Tru produces better in every single stat but Sacks...

So yah... you're just racist

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I'm cool with that, I just consider the source.

 

[Eriul]

Guy hasn't played an nfl snap, broke no real fcs records, and while he is an athlete has not even sort of proven himself(honestly you rotate him with most starting qbs in the fcs and they still win the titles.) Obviously he is a great player but even comparing him to Flacco, Romo, Fitzpatrick, Simms, McNair is just straight up ignorant and way too ambitious. He could be great but it is way too soon to tell.

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

No one is arguing if he is the best prospect... We are arguing is he the best QB. And that's the point. It is way too soon to tell.

As far as gus obviously he wasn't mentioned on the walter payton list as he was injured the 3rd game... And if you wanna talk about bad defenses just look at Wentz games before his injury. Only decent QBrating games came against...you guess right bad defenses.

Also you might wanna check your stats again before you go spew them. I just ran through and there is no way in HELL he was projected for the stats you posted... 242 ypg, 2.6td/g, 37rpg, .7rTDpg. Unless your projected season is 15 games...If that's the case... Gus was on track for 6000 yards, 30 tds, 300 ryards, and 8 RTDs. And he was a first year QB that our coach wants to replace :roll:

 

[Eriul]

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya maybe. Either way those guys are 1 and 1a in terms of greatest FCS QB's of all time, but Wentz is significantly more talented and a better QB prospect that those guys.

Point is, being the greatest FCS QB of all time or putting up record stats as an FCS QB DOES NOT mean you are a justifiable first round draft pick as a QB.

No one is arguing that. I will however argue that Jensen does not hold a candle to Armanti.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

No one is arguing if he is the best prospect... We are arguing is he the best QB. And that's the point. It is way too soon to tell.

As far as gus obviously he wasn't mentioned on the walter payton list as he was injured the 3rd game... And if you wanna talk about bad defenses just look at Wentz games before his injury. Only decent QBrating games came against...you guess right bad defenses.

Also you might wanna check your stats again before you go spew them. I just ran through and there is no way in HELL he was projected for the stats you posted... 242 ypg, 2.6td/g, 37rpg, .7rTDpg. Unless your projected season is 15 games...If that's the case... Gus was on track for 6000 yards, 30 tds, 300 ryards, and 8 RTDs. And he was a first year QB that our coach wants to replace :roll:

Yes that was for 15 games. Big difference is Wentz would have played in 15. No fucking clue where you get 8 rushing TD's from. What did Gustafson have, one all year?

You left out Gustafson's picks and completion percentage. Know why your coach wants him replaced? Turnover machine who has a low completion percentage.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You will never break records playing QB in NDSU's offensive system, but what you will do is learn an offense that helps you a ton in transitioning into the NFL. Carson would also be the first person to tell you he gave zero f***[*] about breaking records. He did everything it took to win and walked out of there with 5 national championships. My cousin plays on the team. He said that even after Wentz went down, he was the first guy in the film room and last to leave. He was an incredibly special player. I saw that guy do more pre snap than 99% of QB's do in college. On top of being physically gifted, he is extremely grounded and very intelligent. 4.0 lifetime student and scored a 40 on his wonderlic. Two time academic all American. Most of the guys who flame out in the NFL do so because they are mentally weak or just plain stupid. I don't see that with this guy.

As far as stats go, he was on pace for a gigantic season this year and was clearly the Walter Payton front runner before he went down. If you had projected his stats out for a full year, he was on pace to throw over 3,500 yards, pass for 35 TD's, Rush for 630 yards and 15 TD's.

I'm not saying stats are end all be all... if you read what I said then maybe you would see the point. Fact is he hasn't done NEARLY enough to prove that he is "the best qb the FCS has ever seen." Fact of the matter is he won championships in college with the best team in the FCS. That's what he has proven. EVERY one of the other QB's I named provided higher stats in college but they didn't win all the championships. Any of those QB's would have won just as many champs with NDSU as Wentz did. Also careful with your "5 championships." He played decent time 2 of those years so he won 2 champs.

And you make it sound like Wentz was the only one to be injured and if he wasn't injured he would have shown up everyone...when in reality even our QB, Gus, was on pace for higher stats before HIS injury so...that said let's be careful about "clear front runner" claims.

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

No one is arguing if he is the best prospect... We are arguing is he the best QB. And that's the point. It is way too soon to tell.

As far as gus obviously he wasn't mentioned on the walter payton list as he was injured the 3rd game... And if you wanna talk about bad defenses just look at Wentz games before his injury. Only decent QBrating games came against...you guess right bad defenses.

Also you might wanna check your stats again before you go spew them. I just ran through and there is no way in HELL he was projected for the stats you posted... 242 ypg, 2.6td/g, 37rpg, .7rTDpg. Unless your projected season is 15 games...If that's the case... Gus was on track for 6000 yards, 30 tds, 300 ryards, and 8 RTDs. And he was a first year QB that our coach wants to replace :roll:

Wrong, we are arguing if he's the most talented across the board QB to ever come out of college which he is.

You, being an idiot has to act like everyone is saying he will be the best NFL QB ever and that isn't what sane people are talking about.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya maybe. Either way those guys are 1 and 1a in terms of greatest FCS QB's of all time, but Wentz is significantly more talented and a better QB prospect that those guys.

Point is, being the greatest FCS QB of all time or putting up record stats as an FCS QB DOES NOT mean you are a justifiable first round draft pick as a QB.

No one is arguing that. I will however argue that Jensen does not hold a candle to Armanti.

Of course he doesnt, youre racist.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Na he won 5 championships. Either way you want to spin it, he walked away with more rings than any QB to ever put on a Griz uniform. He pushed Brock Jensen to the max. Jensen never ever would have been the QB he was without Wentz. Don't really care how much he played. He was a member of the team. NDSU is successfull because every player prepares as if they are a starter. He was very integral to winning as a team. You should check out some of the comments made by the coaches the last few months.

Somehow I don't think Gus was on pace for 15 rushing TD's nor was he ever even mentioned as a serious Walter Payton front runner. He was pretty inconsistent IMO. Had one good game against a very inexperienced NDSU defense where he completed a ton of 50/50 jump balls. Looked completely lost the following week and looked horrible in the playoffs.

Not saying Wentz is the greatest FCS QB ever. That honor likely belongs to Brock Jensen as he won more games and championships as a starter in FCS /D1AA history.....but as a prospect when you consider the combination of size, arm strength, athletic ability, intelligence and character, Wentz is clearly the best NFL prospect as a QB that the FCS/D1AA has seen.

Armanti Edwards might have something to say about Jensen being the greatest fcs qb of all time

Ya maybe. Either way those guys are 1 and 1a in terms of greatest FCS QB's of all time, but Wentz is significantly more talented and a better QB prospect that those guys.

Point is, being the greatest FCS QB of all time or putting up record stats as an FCS QB DOES NOT mean you are a justifiable first round draft pick as a QB.

No one is arguing that. I will however argue that Jensen does not hold a candle to Armanti.

Lol that is fine. I think it is incredibly hard to pick against the all time winningest QB in FCS history, a guy who went 14-1 in the playoffs and won three rings. Maybe Edwards is more talented, but talent doesn't mean you a better. Jensen had ice running through his veins and never folded like a cheap whore under pressure. I watched Edwards throw 5 picks that one playoff game and cost his team a chance to go for 4.

Do yourself a favor and watch the drive he executed against K State. That drive is Brock Jensen's career summed up in 9 minutes. He ran NDSU's offense to perfection and was a huge reason why the 2013 Bison might be the greatest FCS team of all time.