Worst Coaching Job in UM history

[Grizzoola]

Some of you are friggin' idiots who know absolutely nothing about football. :?

Eastern had roughly equal talent to Montana and had you at home. It was an uphill battle for the Griz all the way, but your coach knew the strengths of Montana v. Us was that you were better physically and Eastern has a bad tendency of panicking offensively when they get behind.

The first half was give and take and Eastern played fairly sharp. But the hammerhead approach by your staff started to pay dividends in the second half, and I'd even have said Montana was dominating the game into the 4th quarter. They kept doing what worked, and hell, they ran for over 400 yards. It was a great gameplan... and it was executed well.

The downfall was we- Eastern- had better playmakers. You had no one who could cover Brandon Kaufman, and even in double coverage, he can and did beat your secondary. But even that wouldn't have mattered, except Eastern had a brilliant onside kick and managed to execute a play that statistically has about a 10% chance. You can almost chalk it up to bad luck, but when Eastern had to make some plays, they did. The coach can't do anything about that.

The analogy would be like a boxing match where one guy is an on-the-toes finesse boxer-puncher (EWU) and the other is a hardhitting, KO-heavy pug (Montana). After a few close, hard-fought rounds, the banger just starts breaking the other guy down and dominating until latein the fight. Then in the 12th round, the boxer-puncher throws a big left hook counter that lands flush on the chin and puts the banger stone out. Luck? Yeah... but those are the breaks. Maybe the pug ought to fire his trainer...

I can't understand all this palaver re: why the Eagles won & why the Griz lost. To me, when that offside kick was recovered by EWU on the Griz 45, with all that happened in that game, it was game over. Kudos to the Eagle staff on that, but it was just the bounce of the ball. The Eagles were lucky; the Griz were not. Simple as that. It was a damned good, exciting football game to watch, even if the Griz lost. I'm proud of the Griz, and they will go on to great things. Mark my words.

 

[LDopaPDX]

And that's just it, it was a tough road game and the Griz staff knew that going in. Yet they did enough and executed well enough that they'd have won the game by just making one routine play. The coaches can't go out there on the field and do it for the team. The Eagles were dominated most of the game, but turned it on a dime by making a few plays here and there. Can't blame the staff for that.

 

[bigforkgriz]

I believe the coaches made some mistakes during the game, but running the ball and not having TM throw down the field until the end was not one of them. After the NAU game I believe they wanted to put TM in low risk passing situations when he did pass. The running game was gouging them and they couldn't stop it. I expected The Griz eventually to go down the field, but they never did. However, it is hard to argue with over 500 yds. of offense whether it is run heavy or not. Now turnovers that is killer.

 

[spsyk]

Coach Delaney has done a good job, especially with the present circumstances. The Griz are a very good team and could very well win the remainder of their games. Throwing stones at the coach or any of the players doesn't help the program.

Doing a good job, 2-3 so far for the season, arguably losses from inadequate coaching, and a rating at 126 in turnovers, with some complicity applied to coaching. You are absolutely correct, the Griz are a very good team, however just might be missing a seasoned coaching staff, and will likely NOT go undefeated the rest of the season.

Coach Delaney, is a very good coach, however the jury is still out if he is a good head coach.

Unfortunately, coach Delaney was awarded the head job, because the president of the university used his leverage instead of using his head, not unusual for a wannabe intellect, posing as if he knows something about athletics.

Think about it, Coach Delaney whom coach for decades, never elevated to a head job at the FCS level, even if it was at his own discretion, brought out of retirement to fill a job made available by an incompetent university president, how could that job be fill with anyone else other that Delaney, or for that matter anyone left from the remaining coaching staff.

What head coach out there during this fiasco, would even consider the position, they just fired the 2011 Head Coach Of The Year, job security in that job is dubious to say the least.

Now, I'm sure that individuals as yourself and the likes of Players Rep would denigrate me as a bad fan, however, I will match by loyalty to the Griz and the program with anybody, especially Player Rep.

I've been a Golden Grizzlies, since it's adaptation with the GAA, I've been a season ticket holder, since Dornblaser, I bought six season tickets, when we couldn't fill Washington Griz, I was one of the original members of Don Reeds QB club, I filled out a credit app with the rest of the QB to assure the guarantee for the Griz first playoff game, I help prepare the field, with heaters and tarps for preparation of playoff games, I have attended more games than missed home and away for more years than I care to admit. And I will continue to do all that I can, not because I have to, because Grizzlie athletics is a passion.

If you think my rant about the coaching is defamation of the them, well you are wrong, you should have attended the breakfasts that Don Reed was plummeted by members of the QB club, and he understood that is the previledge of a fan that cares and a passion.

So grow a pair, It's the fault of president Engstrom folly, that has created my anger, and the anger of many and it's OK to have an opinion of coach Delaney's precarious situation.

 

[tnt]

Thats right, grow a pair.

A young team was not Engstroms fault. And just like Don Read was brought in to clean up the mess Bill Moos created, Someone had come in and clean up the mess the lack of discipline in the program created and I'm not even referring to the public perception created by the press, I'm talking about a football team filled with individuals who thought THEY were driving the bus. If Mick does NOTHING more than restablish the adults are in charge, he will have been the most succesful coach in a number of years. Ol' royce has done at least ONE thing right.

BTW my "fan resume" reads identical to yours except I had 12 tickets and a Box when we came from Dornblazer....... And yeah I rember the first playoffs and sweating the gurantees. But unless your name Earl, I wouldn't (as we didn't) sweat too much......

 

[Brock Landers]

Well I made it about halfway through the first page of this thread before I couldn't take anymore :|

 

[George Ferguson]

Spysk, nice post, and you're right, as you have EVERY RIGHT to have an opinion on the coaching staff, on the play of the Griz and of Engstrom if you want, but it's NOT because of all the things you listed. It's actually because you are an american citizen and we have the luxury and the legal right to free speech.

On the other hand, all the things you listed about you as a Griz fan DON'T ENTITLE you to shit. They don't entitle you to the coach you think should be the coach, they don't entitle you to a single win by the football team and they don't entitle you to have any say in Griz football. As you yourself said, you do all those things not because you have to but because you want to. And you do all those things with no promises. I have had season tickets, I have donated to certain parts of the GSA, ect, ect, ect and I have never been given a disclaimer that says my money entitles me to ANYTHING. When fans start thinking they are entitled is when you have crossed over from passionate as you call it, to completely and dilusionally obssesed.

 

[spsyk]

Thats right, grow a pair.

A young team was not Engstroms fault. And just like Don Read was brought in to clean up the mess Bill Moos created, Someone had come in and clean up the mess the lack of discipline in the program created and I'm not even referring to the public perception created by the press, I'm talking about a football team filled with individuals who thought THEY were driving the bus. If Mick does NOTHING more than restablish the adults are in charge, he will have been the most succesful coach in a number of years. Ol' royce has done at least ONE thing right.

BTW my "fan resume" reads identical to yours except I had 12 tickets and a Box when we came from Dornblazer....... And yeah I rember the first playoffs and sweating the gurantees. But unless your name Earl, I wouldn't (as we didn't) sweat too much......

Many young teams, in the last twenty five years plus years, achieving heralding success, and had a fair share of college athletes, not unlike other universities, some within the state, that we could have done without, however house cleaning was accomplished, and I don't recall a coach or AD being fired.

I would have to assume by your post, that Pflugrad, and O'Day were the cause, and the hiring of coach Delaney is the cure all.

Well, good luck with that, perhaps a temporary bandaid, bur rest assured testosterone and alcohol will raise it ugly head again, and firing AD's and Coaches will not fix the problem.

If Royce had any integrity, he would take another two week vacation and then quit, that would be the right thing to do, after casting a false pale on two good men, without offering an explanation of his actions.

One more thing, was coach Delaney hired to be a policemen, or for his football prowess, to lead as you suggest a young team...

Isn't this the same team that Pflugrad and O'Day would be watching, driving the bus..

Thanks for being a great fan, and purchasing a box and buying twice as many tickets as I did.

 

[spsyk]

Thats right, grow a pair.

A young team was not Engstroms fault. And just like Don Read was brought in to clean up the mess Bill Moos created, Someone had come in and clean up the mess the lack of discipline in the program created and I'm not even referring to the public perception created by the press, I'm talking about a football team filled with individuals who thought THEY were driving the bus. If Mick does NOTHING more than restablish the adults are in charge, he will have been the most succesful coach in a number of years. Ol' royce has done at least ONE thing right.

BTW my "fan resume" reads identical to yours except I had 12 tickets and a Box when we came from Dornblazer....... And yeah I rember the first playoffs and sweating the gurantees. But unless your name Earl, I wouldn't (as we didn't) sweat too much......

Never claimed I was entitled to anything, other than the claim that I am a fan, and support the program, and displayed how, and that has nothing to do with opinions that I have, and as you stated the right to espouse them.

I don't resent your opinion of me, I just don't understand why you don' respect mine...

 

[mikegriz]

Spysk, nice post, and you're right, as you have EVERY RIGHT to have an opinion on the coaching staff, on the play of the Griz and of Engstrom if you want, but it's NOT because of all the things you listed. It's actually because you are an american citizen and we have the luxury and the legal right to free speech.

On the other hand, all the things you listed about you as a Griz fan DON'T ENTITLE you to shit. They don't entitle you to the coach you think should be the coach, they don't entitle you to a single win by the football team and they don't entitle you to have any say in Griz football. As you yourself said, you do all those things not because you have to but because you want to. And you do all those things with no promises. I have had season tickets, I have donated to certain parts of the GSA, ect, ect, ect and I have never been given a disclaimer that says my money entitles me to ANYTHING. When fans start thinking they are entitled is when you have crossed over from passionate as you call it, to completely and dilusionally obssesed.

Yawn! (How come there isn't a yawn smiley?) This thread is getting over-ripe. Is there an "OK boys put your pee-pees and rulers away" smiley? We all agree, everybody's entitled to their opinion. It is also obvious that being entitled to your opinion doesn't protect you from being disrespectfully ripped to shreds for it on this board. I'm sure we also agree, some of you are super-fans, some of us just "pedestrian" fans. But please stop :dead:

 

[ilovethecats]

what an asinine thread. the op should be banned for stupidity. and in related news, kentucky won't be as good in hoops as they were last year. :roll:

 

[tnt]

Thats right, grow a pair.

A young team was not Engstroms fault. And just like Don Read was brought in to clean up the mess Bill Moos created, Someone had come in and clean up the mess the lack of discipline in the program created and I'm not even referring to the public perception created by the press, I'm talking about a football team filled with individuals who thought THEY were driving the bus. If Mick does NOTHING more than restablish the adults are in charge, he will have been the most succesful coach in a number of years. Ol' royce has done at least ONE thing right.

BTW my "fan resume" reads identical to yours except I had 12 tickets and a Box when we came from Dornblazer....... And yeah I rember the first playoffs and sweating the gurantees. But unless your name Earl, I wouldn't (as we didn't) sweat too much......

Many young teams, in the last twenty five years plus years, achieving heralding success, and had a fair share of college athletes, not unlike other universities, some within the state, that we could have done without, however house cleaning was accomplished, and I don't recall a coach or AD being fired.

I would have to assume by your post, that Pflugrad, and O'Day were the cause, and the hiring of coach Delaney is the cure all.

Well, good luck with that, perhaps a temporary bandaid, bur rest assured testosterone and alcohol will raise it ugly head again, and firing AD's and Coaches will not fix the problem.

If Royce had any integrity, he would take another two week vacation and then quit, that would be the right thing to do, after casting a false pale on two good men, without offering an explanation of his actions.

One more thing, was coach Delaney hired to be a policemen, or for his football prowess, to lead as you suggest a young team...

Isn't this the same team that Pflugrad and O'Day would be watching, driving the bus..

Thanks for being a great fan, and purchasing a box and buying twice as many tickets as I did.

It would be the same team, and results prolly not a lot different. The outcry as loud if not louder than the first year Pflu was here. Coaches are only as good as their last game.....

We will have to agree to disagree while supporting the team we love..... Outstanding coaching was NOT the reason last years team did so well. Part of it was pure blind luck, some reasonable coaching (but with poor leadership on the part of the coaches compensated by some tremendous seniors) All of which left (me at least) with the feeling of "whew we got that one"as we left most of those games. Pflu was very obviously players coach, and NOT in a good way.

O'Day on the other hand forgot his real job and was every-bodies buddy. The important issues and duties he blew off. Marketing was subcontracted to an out of state company who sold everything that was nailed down and whole bunch that wasn't to some kind of a sponsorship. Resulting in the s of ending local dollars out of state when there were plenty of local (Montana based) marketing expertise. That in and of it self was enough to send him packing. When a program gets to big to support the businesses that support it, its to big. Negotiating the Roots (and other TV) contract that was "soooo good" for the program but denied thousands of Griz fans the ability to watch their team play was another dealer breaker.

The fearsome threesome of Pflu, Oday, and Foley were unable to handle the PR and player problems that by no means as you pointed out were unique to UM. To admit Florio kicked their respective Butts is a little hard to take, but she did, and all three are gone, as a result. Engstrom hired a coach who is fixing the team issues, but I don't see how its all his fault that 3 close games went the wrong way???? We are one 1/3 where we need to be to get back where we were. So far so good. Next we'll see how the new AD does, and how the outcomes of the investigations are handeled. THEN we can judge Engstrom Just as we can judge Micks season - WHEN ITS OVER.

I respect your opinion I don't agree with it. Just wanted to make sure you knew I was a fan too......

As far as coaching decisions? Donavan's Wishbone has got to be the worst decision hands down, and after Carlson, he looked so good.....