Hammer said:
Kicking off twice against Northern Colorado.
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Why Stitt Will Succeed
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Kicking off twice against Northern Colorado.
CV Griz Fan
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Hammer said:
My beef really is with RE. Pflu should never have been fired and replaced with Delaney. Delaney would never have been hired by another program. He just did't have the background or the acumen. He was 70 plus years old for Christ's sake. UM could have put Legi or Green or any other staff member and gotten those same results IMO. RE just made a pure "knee jerk" decision causing the program to drop even further. I really don't care about the two kick offs at N. Colorado, the fake punt by SUU etc. The guy was just a marginal football man. Pure and simple. I know he's from Butte so it's difficult for you to look at Mick objectively. And please don't bring up Sonny Lubick. As a Utah fan, Ron McBride owned Sonny for years while coaching at Utah. I am talking about in conference records and bowl performances not just head to head record. Ron McBride was a great guy but the Utes have never looked back after letting him go...
rocklobster
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Stitt will bring a great change to the program like Don Read did-a wide-opened, unpredictable offense that opponents have problems adjusting to. Years and years of coach in-breeding isn't always good. It makes for three-eyed coaches. I'm not saying anything negative against Grizzly tradition, but a new point-of-view or direction is always refreshing. Griz tradition will always be prevalent, no matter who our coach is; but the anticipation and excitement for a new regime has never been higher.
CV Griz Fan said:
Ok, in one sentence you say Mick didn't have the "background" (despite his 50 yrs of coaching exp) and in the next you say they should have hired Legi or Green??? WTF??? Of course Mick wasn't going to be hired by another program he was friggin RETIRED and watching the Masters in Augusta Ga when UM called and basically begged him to come in help weather the shitstorm. He was absolutely the correct man for the job at the time. If you don't get that then you have no clue what was going on at UM at the time. He wasn't hired to win NC's! He did exactly what was asked of him, in a very classy manner, and got UM thru the mess. As for Lubick, why the fuck would I bring him up??? I don't know him, and don't really know anybody that does. I don't think he has spent any time in Butte since he left 30+ yrs ago. And, if Mick is a "marginal" football man with his extensive experience, I would like to hear your football credentials to qualify that statement?? College football coaching experience??
Hammer said:
Today? The enchiladas at Paradise Falls are looking like a pretty dicey decision right now.
CV Griz Fan
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Hammer said:
Delaney's record speaks for it's self. That's why he would never been given an HC job at any other program.
His age was ancillary. I have posted my FB resume on this board many times. But be honest Hammer, I could be Urban friggin' Meyer and I wouldn't be able to change your biased opinion on Delaney so let's call a "spade a spade"......
ALPHAGRIZ1
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Hammer said:
He bought a Dodge and he tailgates with us.................so yeah that was a rhetorical question was it not?
Hammer said:
I know he willingly chose to stay at the Ramada in Laramie. That certainly qualifies.
George Ferguson
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I'm completely on the Stitt bandwagon, but then again, I, like Hammer would support anybody hired to coach the Griz until they didn't deserve that support, and thus far, and that hasn't happened yet.
However, I will continue to point this out. MANY OF YOU, who harp against the good-ole-boy coaching tree are about as hypocritical as they come. Because the same people who post that jargin also love Robin Pflugrad, as did I. YET, he was as much a part of the good-ole-boy Griz coaching tree as anyone else who's stalked the Grizzly sidelines in the last 20 years. It's funny how that works with some fans. Hate the good-ole-boy netwrok when it relates to Hauck and Delaney and even Dennehy. Those three have been roasted over the coals on this site for years, and one of the knocks against them is the "good-ole-boy" coaching tree. Then, miraculously, the "good-ole-boy" tree somehow doesn't apply to Glenn and Pflu who are most revered on here. Hypocritical much?
However, I will continue to point this out. MANY OF YOU, who harp against the good-ole-boy coaching tree are about as hypocritical as they come. Because the same people who post that jargin also love Robin Pflugrad, as did I. YET, he was as much a part of the good-ole-boy Griz coaching tree as anyone else who's stalked the Grizzly sidelines in the last 20 years. It's funny how that works with some fans. Hate the good-ole-boy netwrok when it relates to Hauck and Delaney and even Dennehy. Those three have been roasted over the coals on this site for years, and one of the knocks against them is the "good-ole-boy" coaching tree. Then, miraculously, the "good-ole-boy" tree somehow doesn't apply to Glenn and Pflu who are most revered on here. Hypocritical much?
Mick was the right guy at the right time. He steered the ship through some big icebergs, kept the kids out of trouble (to the degree a coach can do that) and maintained the credibility of the program.
I think Stitt will take the offense to the next level. Keeping Ty on the defensive side was a great management decision, and now I think we'll have an offense that will score enough points to win some games that slipped away the past few years. I like up-tempo offenses. Robin's team was fun to watch, and Stitt's offense may be even more entertaining.
So than you, Mick, for your loyal service. Time to let Stitt be Stitt.
I think Stitt will take the offense to the next level. Keeping Ty on the defensive side was a great management decision, and now I think we'll have an offense that will score enough points to win some games that slipped away the past few years. I like up-tempo offenses. Robin's team was fun to watch, and Stitt's offense may be even more entertaining.
So than you, Mick, for your loyal service. Time to let Stitt be Stitt.
Grizbeer
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Good post Hav. Pflugrad is THE poster boy for good-ole-boy hires. Pflugrad actually said 'we are putting the band back together' when they promoted him and he hired his staff. I don't possibly know how you could make a more nostalgic or 'good-ole-boy' hire than that. And lest we forget, his credentials were he had just been fired from Oregon for undisclosed reasons, and was a wide receiver coach at UM under Bobby Hauck, then as head coach he proceeded to dismantle every benchmark of Griz football excellence from the previous 20 years (Big Sky title streak, playoff streak, Never losing to Sac State, home loss and .500 record against the 'Cats, etc). AND O'Day picked him over Dave Doreen?havgrizfan said:
I try not to get into these conversations about how great Pflugrad was for UM because there is little reason to trample on a guy when he is down, but I just don't understand how people can demean Delaney due to a love of Pflugrad. Just because a guy is fun to party with doesn't make him a great football coach.
Grizbeer said:
Two excellent posts.
ALPHAGRIZ1
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Why was MD the "right guy at the right time"? (Sick of hearing that)
There are literally hundreds of high school coaches that could have done what he did AT MONTANA.
Qualifications to win at UM:
Moral compass
Good media presence
Ability to run a business
Show up everyday
It has been said for years but winning at UM in the Big Sky Conference (LOL) is not that hard, you can be above .500 just by playing SUU, Portland St, Sac St, Weber St, Idaho St, Northern Colorado and MSU.
Say what you want but anyone that enforces rules could have cleaned up the program with the marginal success that MD had.
There are literally hundreds of high school coaches that could have done what he did AT MONTANA.
Qualifications to win at UM:
Moral compass
Good media presence
Ability to run a business
Show up everyday
It has been said for years but winning at UM in the Big Sky Conference (LOL) is not that hard, you can be above .500 just by playing SUU, Portland St, Sac St, Weber St, Idaho St, Northern Colorado and MSU.
Say what you want but anyone that enforces rules could have cleaned up the program with the marginal success that MD had.
CV Griz Fan
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Grizbeer said:
I'm not saying that Pflu wasn't a "good ole boy" hire but his sub-par 2010 season combined with his deep playoff run of 2011 was more impressive than Delaney's three year results IMO. Would Pflu have struggled in 2012 without Johnson at QB, absolutely but I think he'd have had better results in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs. Both coaches are gone now so it's a moot point.
Stitt seems to look and act the part. Maybe I am wrong, but I just don't get a sense that Griz football is going to be stuck in neutral under his leadership......
Grizbeer said:
News Flash... Every hire is a political hire & @ some point, that will become abundantly apparent. Everyone is "beholding" to someone(s), politics didn't go away with the hiring of Haslam & Stitt. Same stuff, different people. Coaches, boosters, donors and friends of the program (code for good-o-boys) come and go. Circle of life stuff.
After only having come close, Hauck couldn't wait to move on, witness the fact that he picked the first tire-fire along the road to run to. Pflu is a pariah because he seemed to lack a backbone & couldn't keep a lid on things. Delaney answered the phone, did the honorable thing, but is castigated because he didn't deliver when he got his big break.
All the trips down bad-memory lane, hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth is getting really boring. Takes a lot of energy that you could be devoting to something more politically productive, like bashing someone else on the board. Stitt will have his share of trials/tribs, but that "aw shucks" demeanor you're seeing now is just for show. He knows how to get it done, and it's just a matter of time until he does it. Even with the supposed dearth of talent we now suffer from.
PS. Dave Doreen is doing just fine. No regrets over not having been named headmaster @ UM.
BadlandsGrizFan
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PlayerRep said:BadlandsGrizFan said:PlayerRep said:ALPHAGRIZ1 said:Was having lunch yesterday in Missoula with some GSA people and a couple lawyers as always the conversation was riviting but the one thing everyone laughed about was how insanely pissed off a certain "player rep" was that Stitt got hired.
Oh the stories I heard about all the backdoor shenanigans, conspiracies with ODay and Hauck it was totally believable.......yet sad.
My favorite story was the one involving a certain "player rep" and an email he sent a parent to try and drum up support for Hauck. It totally backfired because the parent was sane and knew it was a good thing Stitt was getting looked at. He showed us the email on his cell phone, everyone laughed and brought up the comment made a few weeks ago about how a certain "player rep" was instrumental in being a conduit of information from UM to Stitt, a shadey go between if you know what I mean and I KNOW that you do. The only thing funnier than that comment was that somebody made it his signature!!!! :clap: :clap: Couldnt be further from the truth.
Anyway, THANKS DAD for the stories and picking up the hefty lunch tab. :thumb:
P.S. I got next
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Why do you make up stuff like this and tell lies like that? Total BS, as you well know. I sent no email to any parent regarding Stitt, or any coach for that matter. Didn't even contact the athletic department about coach selection. While I thought Hauck was the obvious choice, I was perfectly fine with Stitt being hired (and have never said anything otherwise to anyone). Stitt has terrific potential and seems to be doing all the right things. I know a lot about Stitt, as one of my best friends played with Stitt and was his roommate. Had a good talk with Stitt earlier this week. Anyone is welcome to ask Stitt about me.
For the love of GOD!!!!! Just once I want you to be like ya...I don't know much about that person...just once..please!
Sorry, but I've learned over time that comments like that seem to irritate people like you, so I now go out of my way to make them on occasion. More people than Alpha know how to yank chains.
Lol don't tell me hes starting rub off on you! This world doesn't make sense anymore!