Who are UM's peers?

[LongTimeCatFan]

Most economists are more concerned with inflation than they are recession. There's a reason The Fed will soon raise rates. Will the economy be up and down the next few years? Probably. But I don't know too many (non political) economists suggesting a recession.

Are you watching the bond market? Take a scrutinized look there. The shit storm has begun already and will implode after the first of the year.

 

[PlayerRep]

Enrollment is cyclical. Spend 19 seconds on Google.

Wow! You don't like Engstrom!! Who cooks have guessed??? :? (Didn't even read that paragraph. I'm certain it's the same as each of the 932,579 posts you've made on that subject).


You're hearing wrong. Unsurprisingly.

Okay, explain how your "cycle" is causing UM to decline significantly, and MSU to increase significantly. Explain why UM is going down. Note that, generally, enrollment at 2-year and for-profit schools has gone down in recent years, but enrollment at 4-year non-profits has not gone down. In fact, in some years, enrollment at 4-year non-profits has gone up a bit.

Tell us why Engstrom continues to miss the rate of decline, and the continuing decline.

Tell us why he hasn't not taken the necessary budget-cutting action sooner.

Tell us why he hasn't been able to figure this out sooner.

Isn't UM graduating its biggest class ever in 2016, or at least a big class, and isn't this going to have yet enother negative impact on enrollment next year?

 

[EverettGriz]

Most economists are more concerned with inflation than they are recession. There's a reason The Fed will soon raise rates. Will the economy be up and down the next few years? Probably. But I don't know too many (non political) economists suggesting a recession.

Are you watching the bond market? Take a scrutinized look there. The shit storm has begun already and will implode after the first of the year.

Yes. And I think you just proved my point, not yours. Bond markets perform well in down markets. They perform poorly during inflationary times.

 

[PlayerRep]

Everett,

Tell us how you believe Engstrom handled the sexual assault matters.

Tell us you're view on whether Engstrom should have fired O'Day and Pflu.

Tell us how popular Engstrom is with the faculty.

 

[EverettGriz]

Asked and answered, counselor. In 15,482 threads. Move on. This is a who are UM peers thread. Hint: the answer ain't NoCo.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Most economists are more concerned with inflation than they are recession. There's a reason The Fed will soon raise rates. Will the economy be up and down the next few years? Probably. But I don't know too many (non political) economists suggesting a recession.

Are you watching the bond market? Take a scrutinized look there. The shit storm has begun already and will implode after the first of the year.

Yes. And I think you just proved my point, not yours. Bond markets perform well in down markets. They perform poorly during inflationary times.

Uhh, the Fed's ZIRP is pushing capital to bonds because it has a higher return. The Fed manipulates where money goes simply by flipping a switch.

It's not just the fact that they are bonds, but that they are sub prime bonds, much like the sub prime mortgages. Yellen wants to raise rates to discourage capital investment into those bonds. After she does, this week, the dollar will strengthen, causing several businesses to go bankrupt and the job losses will be substantial. These companies should NEVER have been able to acquire funding through bond issuance or loans. They simply weren't credit worthy.

There is a mad dash to exit these bond funds so the funds are having to liquidate bonds at fire sale prices, driving the prices even lower. On Friday, the second major high yield bond fund ceased distribution to arrange an orderly liquidation of assets. Investors (mostly retirees and near retirees) will get pennies on the dollar.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Most economists are more concerned with inflation than they are recession. There's a reason The Fed will soon raise rates. Will the economy be up and down the next few years? Probably. But I don't know too many (non political) economists suggesting a recession.

Are you watching the bond market? Take a scrutinized look there. The shit storm has begun already and will implode after the first of the year.

Yes. And I think you just proved my point, not yours. Bond markets perform well in down markets. They perform poorly during inflationary times.

Uhh, the Fed's ZIRP is pushing capital to bonds because it has a higher return. The Fed manipulates where money goes simply by flipping a switch.

It's not just the fact that they are bonds, but that they are sub prime bonds, much like the sub prime mortgages. Yellen wants to raise rates to discourage capital investment into those bonds. After she does, this week, the dollar will strengthen, causing several businesses to go bankrupt and the job losses will be substantial. These companies should NEVER have been able to acquire funding through bond issuance or loans. They simply weren't credit worthy.

You got that from Vickers. Work in Essex County, page 98, right? Yeah, I read that, too. Were you going to plagiarize the whole thing for us? Do you have any thoughts of -- of your own on this matter?

Do you like apples?

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Are you watching the bond market? Take a scrutinized look there. The shit storm has begun already and will implode after the first of the year.

Yes. And I think you just proved my point, not yours. Bond markets perform well in down markets. They perform poorly during inflationary times.

Uhh, the Fed's ZIRP is pushing capital to bonds because it has a higher return. The Fed manipulates where money goes simply by flipping a switch.

It's not just the fact that they are bonds, but that they are sub prime bonds, much like the sub prime mortgages. Yellen wants to raise rates to discourage capital investment into those bonds. After she does, this week, the dollar will strengthen, causing several businesses to go bankrupt and the job losses will be substantial. These companies should NEVER have been able to acquire funding through bond issuance or loans. They simply weren't credit worthy.

You got that from Vickers. Work in Essex County, page 98, right? Yeah, I read that, too. Were you going to plagiarize the whole thing for us? Do you have any thoughts of -- of your own on this matter?

Do you like apples?

:lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

Asked and answered, counselor. In 15,482 threads. Move on. This is a who are UM peers thread. Hint: the answer ain't NoCo.

Just as I thought, you neither have the ability or balls to answer. I asked for YOUR views. You have not expressed your views on these subjects at all, let alone in 15,482 threads.

Pretty weak, Everett, even for you.

 

[EverettGriz]

Asked and answered, counselor. In 15,482 threads. Move on. This is a who are UM peers thread. Hint: the answer ain't NoCo.

Just as I thought, you neither have the ability or balls to answer. I asked for YOUR views. You have not expressed your views on these subjects at all, let alone in 15,482 threads.

Pretty weak, Everett, even for you.

Just as I thought. You can't have a reasonable discussion and bring anything of value, so you constantly and consistently change the subject.

Pretty weak, PR, but standard fare for you.

 

[EverettGriz]

Most economists are more concerned with inflation than they are recession. There's a reason The Fed will soon raise rates. Will the economy be up and down the next few years? Probably. But I don't know too many (non political) economists suggesting a recession.

Are you watching the bond market? Take a scrutinized look there. The shit storm has begun already and will implode after the first of the year.

Yes. And I think you just proved my point, not yours. Bond markets perform well in down markets. They perform poorly during inflationary times.

Uhh, the Fed's ZIRP is pushing capital to bonds because it has a higher return. The Fed manipulates where money goes simply by flipping a switch.

It's not just the fact that they are bonds, but that they are sub prime bonds, much like the sub prime mortgages. Yellen wants to raise rates to discourage capital investment into those bonds. After she does, this week, the dollar will strengthen, causing several businesses to go bankrupt and the job losses will be substantial. These companies should NEVER have been able to acquire funding through bond issuance or loans. They simply weren't credit worthy.

There is a mad dash to exit these bond funds so the funds are having to liquidate bonds at fire sale prices, driving the prices even lower. On Friday, the second major high yield bond fund ceased distribution to arrange an orderly liquidation of assets. Investors (mostly retirees and near retirees) will get pennies on the dollar.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend pouring money into speculative grade bonds if that's what you're suggesting? Will there be a pull on the market and the economy in general? Perhaps. It's worth keeping an eye on no doubt. I wouldn't short the farm at this point though.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Are you watching the bond market? Take a scrutinized look there. The shit storm has begun already and will implode after the first of the year.

Yes. And I think you just proved my point, not yours. Bond markets perform well in down markets. They perform poorly during inflationary times.

Uhh, the Fed's ZIRP is pushing capital to bonds because it has a higher return. The Fed manipulates where money goes simply by flipping a switch.

It's not just the fact that they are bonds, but that they are sub prime bonds, much like the sub prime mortgages. Yellen wants to raise rates to discourage capital investment into those bonds. After she does, this week, the dollar will strengthen, causing several businesses to go bankrupt and the job losses will be substantial. These companies should NEVER have been able to acquire funding through bond issuance or loans. They simply weren't credit worthy.

There is a mad dash to exit these bond funds so the funds are having to liquidate bonds at fire sale prices, driving the prices even lower. On Friday, the second major high yield bond fund ceased distribution to arrange an orderly liquidation of assets. Investors (mostly retirees and near retirees) will get pennies on the dollar.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend pouring money into speculative grade bonds if that's what you're suggesting? Will there be a pull on the market and the economy in general? Perhaps. It's worth keeping an eye on no doubt. I wouldn't short the farm at this point though.

I love how you're so nonchalant about it. If you couple this with the US economic metrics (jobs, GDP, trade), which all look worse than projected, and conversely Europe looks better than projected, it's all leading to the same place we were in 2009.

So what does that have to do with UM and its declining enrollment? Everything! The law of diminishing returns says to not go to UM for job preparation.

 

[PlayerRep]

Asked and answered, counselor. In 15,482 threads. Move on. This is a who are UM peers thread. Hint: the answer ain't NoCo.

Just as I thought, you neither have the ability or balls to answer. I asked for YOUR views. You have not expressed your views on these subjects at all, let alone in 15,482 threads.

Pretty weak, Everett, even for you.

Just as I thought. You can't have a reasonable discussion and bring anything of value, so you constantly and consistently change the subject.

Pretty weak, PR, but standard fare for you.

I started the thread. I can change the topic anytime. Either answer the questions, or get out of the thread. Ha.

You are just afraid to answer Engstrom questions. You're apparently willing to let Engstrom ruin UM and many of it's programs.

 

[EverettGriz]

Yes. And I think you just proved my point, not yours. Bond markets perform well in down markets. They perform poorly during inflationary times.

Uhh, the Fed's ZIRP is pushing capital to bonds because it has a higher return. The Fed manipulates where money goes simply by flipping a switch.

It's not just the fact that they are bonds, but that they are sub prime bonds, much like the sub prime mortgages. Yellen wants to raise rates to discourage capital investment into those bonds. After she does, this week, the dollar will strengthen, causing several businesses to go bankrupt and the job losses will be substantial. These companies should NEVER have been able to acquire funding through bond issuance or loans. They simply weren't credit worthy.

There is a mad dash to exit these bond funds so the funds are having to liquidate bonds at fire sale prices, driving the prices even lower. On Friday, the second major high yield bond fund ceased distribution to arrange an orderly liquidation of assets. Investors (mostly retirees and near retirees) will get pennies on the dollar.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend pouring money into speculative grade bonds if that's what you're suggesting? Will there be a pull on the market and the economy in general? Perhaps. It's worth keeping an eye on no doubt. I wouldn't short the farm at this point though.

I love how you're so nonchalant about it. If you couple this with the US economic metrics (jobs, GDP, trade), which all look worse than projected, and conversely Europe looks better than projected, it's all leading to the same place we were in 2009.

So what does that have to do with UM and its declining enrollment? Everything! The law of diminishing returns says to not go to UM for job preparation.

I'm not nonchalant. I'm an economist and therefore practical. I hear 15 "the world is ending!!" predictions a day. Will this be the "one"?? It's possible, of course. But let's just say that I'll take the Under on that, as will most of my colleagues. I just never talk definitives when it comes to the economy. And those who do end up broke and die of stress at age 59.

This goes directly to the question I posed that you didn't answer. Why would someone major in engineering in a recession?? That's when programs like Education, PT, law, business, etc (the Giffen Goods of the labor market) see a huge increase.

 

[Spanky]

We should be proud that the UM peers are Northern Colorado, Southern Utah, Eastern Washington, Portland State.

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

Uhh, the Fed's ZIRP is pushing capital to bonds because it has a higher return. The Fed manipulates where money goes simply by flipping a switch.

It's not just the fact that they are bonds, but that they are sub prime bonds, much like the sub prime mortgages. Yellen wants to raise rates to discourage capital investment into those bonds. After she does, this week, the dollar will strengthen, causing several businesses to go bankrupt and the job losses will be substantial. These companies should NEVER have been able to acquire funding through bond issuance or loans. They simply weren't credit worthy.

There is a mad dash to exit these bond funds so the funds are having to liquidate bonds at fire sale prices, driving the prices even lower. On Friday, the second major high yield bond fund ceased distribution to arrange an orderly liquidation of assets. Investors (mostly retirees and near retirees) will get pennies on the dollar.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend pouring money into speculative grade bonds if that's what you're suggesting? Will there be a pull on the market and the economy in general? Perhaps. It's worth keeping an eye on no doubt. I wouldn't short the farm at this point though.

I love how you're so nonchalant about it. If you couple this with the US economic metrics (jobs, GDP, trade), which all look worse than projected, and conversely Europe looks better than projected, it's all leading to the same place we were in 2009.

So what does that have to do with UM and its declining enrollment? Everything! The law of diminishing returns says to not go to UM for job preparation.

I'm not nonchalant. I'm an economist and therefore practical. I hear 15 "the world is ending!!" predictions a day. Will this be the "one"?? It's possible, of course. But let's just say that I'll take the Under on that, as will most of my colleagues. I just never talk definitives when it comes to the economy. And those who do end up broke and die of stress at age 59.

This goes directly to the question I posed that you didn't answer. Why would someone major in engineering in a recession?? That's when programs like Education, PT, law, business, etc (the Giffen Goods of the labor market) see a huge increase.

That depends on how the Fed and the federal government handles the crisis. My bet is more deficit spending and a roll out of QE4, which means demand for engineering remains in all areas EXCEPT oil and gas which affects Tech more than MSU.

Also, a short Google search yielded this article. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-...junk-bond-market-is-in-big-trouble-2015-12-11

Sounds like BofA is up shit creek. Wonder what other banks will fail.

 

[PlayerRep]

We should be proud that the UM peers are Northern Colorado, Southern Utah, Eastern Washington, Portland State.

Yes, because at the current rate of decline caused by UM's declining enrollment, budget cuts, program cuts, faculty cuts, and negative press under Engstrom's "leadership", UM may soon be looking up at those schools.

 

[UMGriz75]

I'm an economist and therefore practical.

One of my favorite Ronald Reagan quotes:

“An economist is someone who sees something that works in practice and wonders if it would work in theory.”

Reagan had a degree in economics.

 

[UMGriz75]

We should be proud that the UM peers are Northern Colorado, Southern Utah, Eastern Washington, Portland State.

Yes, because at the current rate of decline caused by UM's declining enrollment, budget cuts, program cuts, faculty cuts, and negative press under Engstrom's "leadership", UM may soon be looking up at those schools.

Engstrom is so inept it is breathtaking. His explanation to the Board of Regents for the enrollment decline was that "UM has an enrollment problem." He said that. It's a quote. That's the problem!

Aside from the fact that RE is probably the most hapless president in the history of the Montana University System, the fact that after five years, he has no strategic plan in place, believes that the institution can "cut its way to success," and in general his approach to leadership at the University of Montana consists of getting up in the morning and going to bed at night, the fact is he needs to be "gone." That is just "it."

 

[Spanky]

yes and he needs to be gone quickly or the damage will be beyond repair.