When is a good time to start talking about our next coach?

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I would take Gregorak over MD also because at least he shows a lot of passion and has some energy left in the tank. Let's hope it does not come down to that. How about the defensive coordinator at NDSU? I know they just promoted the old one to head coach but maybe the one they have now might be worth a look. He should at least know the system. But regardless you have to get a coach who is a top notch recruiter it makes a huge difference. Look at Hauck, not always the best x's and o's guy but he definitely knew talent. Maybe we bring him back? At least we would improve.

It would be interesting to see them try to grab a coordinator from another school (NDSU or wherever) that's been a huge part of a teams continued dominance. Not sure that will happen though. I'm guessing it'll be one of the existing coordinators that gets promoted and also guessing it wont be Gregorak

As for Hauck... Unfortunately even if he is available after this year and wants to come back I don't think there's any way Engstrom would allow that to happen. It would be nice though!

There are not words to describe how much I dislike Royce Fucking Engstrom

 

[jbear]

Bottom line is we need to go out.....waaay out and hire someone not onnected to the good ole boy system. We have no assistants that are capable of stepping up. I'ts time for a vigorous housecleaning at the end of the season.

 

[poorgriz18]

I thought a few months ago you guys were saying that Dickenson was going to be your next head coach. Is that still a possibility?

 

[Grizfan-24]

Considering the 'talent' level, just how good of talent do you think we had in 2012, 2013.

Cause it is just a hunch, but the word on the street is a lot coaches in the region might dispute the collective talent argument that is perpetuated on here. You can have a lot of individual talent, but just how deep do you think the program was the past two years? This year?

Just a question.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Gregorak is not head coaching material. Not smart enough. Anyone who did what he did in Vegas.......um yeah no thanks. I wouldn't want that person making all the football decisions for my football team. The Griz need to go after an experienced coach or young star who is not associated with the Griz to breathe some new life into the program.

I agree with you. I just think he has done the beat of our coordinators and showed the most improvement on the job. Other than Justin Green, I really don't like any of our other assistants as head coaching material.

I would take Gregorak over MD also because at least he shows a lot of passion and has some energy left in the tank. Let's hope it does not come down to that. How about the defensive coordinator at NDSU? I know they just promoted the old one to head coach but maybe the one they have now might be worth a look. He should at least know the system. But regardless you have to get a coach who is a top notch recruiter it makes a huge difference. Look at Hauck, not always the best x's and o's guy but he definitely knew talent. Maybe we bring him back? At least we would improve.

If Hauck were to be let go at UNLV, and Engstrom be let go at Montana, that would open some great interesting options.

(1) Bring back Hauck or Pflu as HC. Hauck hire Pflu as OC, or Pflu hire Hauck as Special teams coach.

(2) Hire Gegorak, have him add Hauck as Special teams coach, and Pflu at OC.

(3) Hire an outsider who of course brings back Hauck and Pflu.

I know I am dreaming. This is not reality. I would love any combination that would bring back Hauck and Pflu. :thumb:

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[mtgrizrule]

I agree with you. I just think he has done the beat of our coordinators and showed the most improvement on the job. Other than Justin Green, I really don't like any of our other assistants as head coaching material.

I would take Gregorak over MD also because at least he shows a lot of passion and has some energy left in the tank. Let's hope it does not come down to that. How about the defensive coordinator at NDSU? I know they just promoted the old one to head coach but maybe the one they have now might be worth a look. He should at least know the system. But regardless you have to get a coach who is a top notch recruiter it makes a huge difference. Look at Hauck, not always the best x's and o's guy but he definitely knew talent. Maybe we bring him back? At least we would improve.

If Hauck were to be let go at UNLV, and Engstrom be let go at Montana, that would open some great interesting options.

(1) Bring back Hauck or Pflu as HC. Hauck hire Pflu as OC, or Pflu hire Hauck as Special teams coach.

(2) Hire Gegorak, have him add Hauck as Special teams coach, and Pflu at OC.

(3) Hire an outsider who of course brings back Hauck and Pflu.

I know I am dreaming. This is not reality. I would love any combination that would bring back Hauck and Pflu. :thumb:

this thread has numerous Unsolicited opinions from multiple fans (fanatics), with zero control over/input into the decision. Meaningless banter from anonymous posters.

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['68griz]

I thought a few months ago you guys were saying that Dickenson was going to be your next head coach. Is that still a possibility?

I don't recall anyone saying that was even a possibility, much less a probability. Oh, definitely, there are a number of folks who would love to have DD as UM's head coach -- and he might well be a damned good one -- but it simply ain 't gonna happen and anyone with any sense knows that. He's got a good thing going in Calgary, with far more money and far less pressure than he'd have as Montana's head coach.

 

[spsyk]

My guess is Gregorak, assuming the defense continues to play well. Note the guess part.

Finely something I can Agree on with the someone who played the game..

 

[grizpack]

Considering the 'talent' level, just how good of talent do you think we had in 2012, 2013.

Cause it is just a hunch, but the word on the street is a lot coaches in the region might dispute the collective talent argument that is perpetuated on here. You can have a lot of individual talent, but just how deep do you think the program was the past two years? This year?

Just a question.

I would agree. And I don't think the situation is getting better.

As for MD, he has now been the head coach for 3 years. Meaning his retirement will now be reflective of the head coaching experience. I am pretty sure the PERS is tied to their "high 3 average". Maybe that is what he was waiting for. Maybe that is what the University agreed to give him. Maybe I can wish........

 

[gotgame75]

Gotgame, Who said first-round playoff exits "cut it". First and FOREMOST, I'm assuming you're talking only about MD, so the term exits isn't valid. He's been the head coach for two seasons, made the playoffs ONCE, hence THE Griz have only ONE exit under Delaney. Secondly, the Griz did NOT lose in the first round last year. They obtained a bye in the first round and lost in the second round. No, I don't like it either, but it's a fact, the Griz did not have a first-round exit last season, and haven't had multiple first-round exits under Delaney. Also, going into this season, Delaney and Pflu have the same record as it pertains to making the playoffs...1-for-2. Mick Dennehy lost in the first round of playoffs three years in a row.

But back to the original point, who says Mick or ANYONE is saying that a first-round playoff loss is "cutting it". Just because it happened last year doesn't mean they walked out of Wash-Griz going "Awe schucks, good season guys." All I've ever seen and heard from Mick during the last three years is him fully aware of what the traditions and expectations are at Montana. He talks abput expectations and how how the standard is here at EVERY SINGLE PRESS CONFERENCE. I have NEVER heard Delaney say that all he wants or expects is to make the first round of the playoffs and call it a year. Haven't heard that from Kent Haslam either.

Now, I'm assuming, and maybe I'm wrong, but the "cutting it" comment means to you, since Dealney wasn't fired after a 10-3 season, you take that to mean, losing in the first round "cuts it" it at Montana now?

Lol. Seriously bro, are you Delaney's bodyguard or something? Or maybe you spot him in the weight room? It's verging on weird how you feel the need to come to his defense every time someone criticizes him. Now I know writing for the Havre Daily News obviously makes you an expert who's opinion outweighs those of the rest of us lowly eGriz denizens, but it is a simple fact that there is a large segment of Griz fans that aren't exactly thrilled with the prospect of Delaney leveraging his position as (what was initially supposed to be) a placeholder into a long-term tenure at HC. And by "cutting it", I was referring to the opinions of the fan base and administration, not the team itself. Obviously, no team or coaching staff can justify a loss as "cutting it"." You can call me out on all the technicalities you want, but losing at home in the playoffs to the Coastal Carolinas of the football world should be totally unacceptable to the fan base and the administration. And not too long ago it was. Using last year's 10-3 record as justification for Delaney's excellence as a coach is laughable. We beat no one of any substance other than the Cats. And even they were on their annual November slide. Even in many of our a wins, we struggled to beat teams we should have manhandled. A defense with two future NFL LBs and Wagenmann let more than a few teams light up the scoreboard. Yes, the Big Sky is a much more competitive conference than it used to be and its unrealistic to think we could dominate like we used to. That said, we should always aim to have a coaching staff that we truly believe can win championships, both at the conference and National level. Do you truly believe that Delaney is National Championship coaching material? I don't and I know many others agree. The fact is, he fell into this job because we literally had zero other options at that point. He has done a great job recruiting and managing the "crisis", but he is just not the man that is going to take us to the next level. If he was such great coaching material, this would not be his first HC gig in a 30+ year coaching career (minus that 5-11 record at powerhouse Montana-Western). He's done what he was brought in to do (assure a smooth transition in the wake of the "rape crisis" and the subsequent Pfulgrad/O'Day debacle). Good job Mick, truly, but it's time to move on.

 

[George Ferguson]

gotgame, thanks for answer. I appreciate your honesty. 1. No, I don't even personally know Mick. 2. I don't think my opinion is more valid than anyone else's and my job has nothing to do with my opinions on Griz football. Like anyone else, they are opinions.

I just see a lot of banter on here about "cutting it" and what used to be "unacceptable is now acceptable" so I simply asked "says who"? Where are people getting their info from that Delaney or Haslam believe second-round playoff exits one time in two years is acceptable? I'm simply saying that, just because it happened last year, doesn't mean anyone inside the Hoyt Athletic Complex thinks it is "acceptable" or is the "norm" and if I'm wrong, I just want to see proof. I saw absolutely no evidence from anyone involved with Grizzly football that last year's loss to Coastal Carolina was "acceptable". But, just because you believe something should be "unacceptable" doesn't mean it automatically will turn out the other way.

And if a loss to the Coastal Carolina's of the world in the second round is worthy of a 10-3 head coach being fired, then why wasn't Mick Dennehy fired after losing three straight on Thanksgiving weekend? Why wasn't Pflu canned AFTER not making the playoffs in his very first try? Bobby losing in the playoffs AT HOME in his first try? It's interesting to me that so many people act like what happened to the Griz last year against Coastal Carolina has NEVER happened before. But I've seen it happen NUMEROUS times in the last 20 years. Youngstown, Western Carolina, McNeese State, cripes the Griz haven't beaten the Cats at home since BH left, and Pflu has one of those on his resume too'. I'm simply pointing out the fact that I don't understand how some people can claim something was "so unacceptable" in the past, but yet its happened to Montana, MANY times in the past.

It has nothing to do with what I think of Delaney, it's a fact.

But I will admit one thing, I think it would have been absolutely STUPID on the part of the University of Montana to FIRE a head coach/coaching staff which went 10-3 while on NCAA Probation, and was about to return a senior class who doesn't want to play for anybody BUT the current head coach. Again, that's just my opinion.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

The big difference is in the big picture. We all watched Bobbie and Robin coach better and their teams play better after their first years. The team played better last year with Jordy back but the coaching, especially at the top, did not. Ty seems to have started to improve this year and his defense is playing better with less experienced players. Not seeing that anywhere else and that falls on MD. We've all seen the Intangibles that great coaches have at all levels of football and even when I squint I can't see them in MD. That seems to be the concensus here in G-Land. That doesn't me he isn't a nice guy or didn't do the program a tremendous service. It's just time to reenter retirement .

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Is it all the coach, does he say JJ you can only throw to #7 on this play? the coach does a lot of things but the one thing he can't do is execute the play. That is the players job.

Could it be JJ isn't making the right decisions? You would think through 3 games he would have a good passing game.

Champions do not play the blame game they take responsibility.

The perception from the outside is always different from the inside( that means from a fans point of view also) that is why they consultants and external auditors.

Just my opinion from the outside no need to freak out if you don't agree

 

[argh!]

My guess is Gregorak, assuming the defense continues to play well. Note the guess part.

That would be a monumental mistake!

From the current staff, why would that be a monumental mistake? Of the coordinators, his defense is the only side of the ball that has showed steady improvement. He is the only coach taking consistent accountability. If he is smart enough to get an offensive mind as OC and let that person be responsible for the offense, I think it could work. If the powers decide to hire an internal replacement, I really don't see any other coach being ahead of him. Personally, I'd love to see Justin Green be the man. Realistically, he is still too young. A move like that is still several years away for him.

Overall, I hope we do a true national search. Best case from internal is where we are at now, maybe slightly better. I'd take Gregorak over MD though.

Gregorak is not head coaching material. Not smart enough. Anyone who did what he did in Vegas.......um yeah no thanks. I wouldn't want that person making all the football decisions for my football team. The Griz need to go after an experienced coach or young star who is not associated with the Griz to breathe some new life into the program.

guys posting with avatars of chubby girls with big tits do not post credible opinions on egriz. not smart enough. anyone who did what maxim did in vegas...... msus yeah no thanks.
etc.

 

[KingsValleyGriz]

The Griz need to return back to the glory days. How you might ask. A new head coach would be a good start. Ol Mick is a good old guy that is past his prime. I saw a post about getting Bobby Hauck back. That would be a good start! Also think drop all the flash and different uniforms. Go back to the old school colors and make this a smash mouth football program.

The plain no flash uniforms and smash mouth has done well for NDSU. That program entered FCS a little over a decade ago and have flat owned it.

If UM does not get its crap together we will see more programs surpass the Griz. I puke into mouth thinking about EWU. uke: uke:

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Is it all the coach, does he say JJ you can only throw to #7 on this play? the coach does a lot of things but the one thing he can't do is execute the play. That is the players job.

Could it be JJ isn't making the right decisions? You would think through 3 games he would have a good passing game.

Champions do not play the blame game they take responsibility.

The perception from the outside is always different from the inside( that means from a fans point of view also) that is why they consultants and external auditors.

Just my opinion from the outside no need to freak out if you don't agree

MD is the Grizzlies Gerald Ford. He's served his purpose of bringing calm after the storm. THE STORM IS OVER. And to answer your question, I want a coach who can get the players to play better than they ever thought possible.

 

[Spanky]

This isn't the time to discuss a new coach. We have a head coach who is doing a good job. You might want to discuss the need to hire an assistant who can develop/coach the OL.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Is it all the coach, does he say JJ you can only throw to #7 on this play? the coach does a lot of things but the one thing he can't do is execute the play. That is the players job.

Could it be JJ isn't making the right decisions? You would think through 3 games he would have a good passing game.

Champions do not play the blame game they take responsibility.

The perception from the outside is always different from the inside( that means from a fans point of view also) that is why they consultants and external auditors.

Just my opinion from the outside no need to freak out if you don't agree

This.

We are only 4 games into the season of his 3rd year. Let the season play out. See how the team progresses and performs in the playoffs, then we can start talking...

Many of you think college football is pretty easy and that success happens overnight.

Also, Havre nailed it as well.

 

[Umista]

I am forgetting about any new coach until we make it through this season. Lets wait and see how the ball bounces as we may have a hell of a season......then again we may not.

In any event it is way to soon to get after a NEW coach. I would go with Gregorak at this point. But I'm thinking the potential new coach would call for an open book if Delaney decides to step down. Interviews after selecting the top 3 or 4 men and we will go from that point on.

Way way to early to even begin to think about it.

 

[rimrockgriz]

So M.D. has around 30 games under his belt now...give or take. How many wins do we have against teams with an ABOVE .500 record or a playoff appearance??? Take the Old Pine Box U. or the Cental Wooly's of the world and scratch a Sharpie through them... There are plenty of stat gurus around here. I like the "tale of the tape measurement"... :egriz: