When is a good time to start talking about our next coach?

[George Ferguson]

I gotta go with PR, I've been to a lot of pressers and pretty much read wall-to-wall coverage of the Griz 365, and I can't recall a head coach or assistant coach EVER calling the cupboard bare, or even questioning the overall talent level of his team. Do they have concerns at certain positions, sure? But I have yet to see the term "cupboard is bare" used by anyone officially associated with the UM football program.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I talked about level of talent with a long-time asst coach a number of years ago, and he said he didn't remember a single year in which UM had the best talent in the conference.

I didn't say we had to have the best talent, just that this "lack of talent" and "cupboard was bare" excuse is not a valid excuse, especially after 3 years.

Now, if we never had the best talent in the conference yet were consistently the top team in the conference, went deep in to the playoffs & beat many very good teams we must have had some fine coaching then! So what's different now?

GrizFan-24 has a reputation as an objective poster. I think his post was intended to be more thought provoking than an opinion. I just thought it was an interesting alternative thesis to
What you usually read on egriz.

 

[TX-GRIZ]

So M.D. has around 30 games under his belt now...give or take. How many wins do we have against teams with an ABOVE .500 record or a playoff appearance??? Take the Old Pine Box U. or the Cental Wooly's of the world and scratch a Sharpie through them... There are plenty of stat gurus around here. I like the "tale of the tape measurement"... :egriz:

Delaney has lost only 5 games when he's had his qb, including to Wyo., NDSU and EWU. We'll see how this season goes, but his percentage of winning when he's had his qb looks pretty good to me.

Good point here. The other two were NAU and CC.

The team will be fine. The kids are trying there asses off. And focused on winning. They go 7-1 to end 9-3. Obviously, the OL will be the difference, but I am confident.

 

[Potomac Griz]

If I eyeballed correctly, in the past 20 years, and not including national championship years, UM has won 10 or more games only 4 times.

Actually in the last 21 years the Griz have won 10 or more games 14 times. So it's actually more common than not winning 10 or more games since the Griz became a powerhouse program in the FCS. That does include the 2 NC years too though.

1993: 10-2
1994: 11-3
1995: 13-2 (NC)
1996: 14-1
2000: 13-2
2001: 15-1 (NC)
2002: 11-3
2004: 12-3
2006: 12-2
2007: 11-1
2008: 14-2
2009: 14-1
2011: 11-3
2013: 10-3

There are some major differences in the 10-3 year last year and the years in the past when we won over 10 games too. Many of those years included wins over very good playoff bound opponents. Our 10-3 year last year had it's best win being against the Cats who were falling apart.

Also no I haven't written off this year as over at all. Just slightly annoyed by how quickly some Delaney supporters (not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) claim lack of talent while completely ignoring the fact Delaney is ultimately responsible for there being talent on this team now. It's not the exact same as the "cupboard being bare" argument, but it's pretty close.

Plus, as you said a past assistant coach said he didn't remember us ever having the best talent in the Big Sky. Yet still we consistently won 10+ games, went deep in the playoffs and won the Big Sky. So again... what's different about now? Is it truly a lack of talent (Which falls on this staff) or is it something else? Perhaps the coaching staff from the years we did so well knew how to best use the talent that they brought in.

 

[rimrockgriz]

So M.D. has around 30 games under his belt now...give or take. How many wins do we have against teams with an ABOVE .500 record or a playoff appearance??? Take the Old Pine Box U. or the Cental Wooly's of the world and scratch a Sharpie through them... There are plenty of stat gurus around here. I like the "tale of the tape measurement"... :egriz:

Delaney has lost only 5 games when he's had his qb, including to Wyo., NDSU and EWU. We'll see how this season goes, but his percentage of winning when he's had his qb looks pretty good to me.

You dissected out the body of work to support your view. No problem. I'll say this though...the cupboard has been full for a looooonnnnggg time now. Who has more representation in the NFL...(FCS of course) than the U of Montana?? Damn few if any... :egriz:

 

[PlayerRep]

If I eyeballed correctly, in the past 20 years, and not including national championship years, UM has won 10 or more games only 4 times.

Actually in the last 21 years the Griz have won 10 or more games 14 times. So it's actually more common than not winning 10 or more games since the Griz became a powerhouse program in the FCS. That does include the 2 NC years too though.

1993: 10-2
1994: 11-3
1995: 13-2 (NC)
1996: 14-1
2000: 13-2
2001: 15-1 (NC)
2002: 11-3
2004: 12-3
2006: 12-2
2007: 11-1
2008: 14-2
2009: 14-1
2011: 11-3
2013: 10-3

There are some major differences in the 10-3 year last year and the years in the past when we won over 10 games too. Many of those years included wins over very good playoff bound opponents. Our 10-3 year last year had it's best win being against the Cats who were falling apart.

Also no I haven't written off this year as over at all. Just slightly annoyed by how quickly some Delaney supporters (not pointing fingers at anyone in particular) claim lack of talent while completely ignoring the fact Delaney is ultimately responsible for there being talent on this team now. It's not the exact same as the "cupboard being bare" argument, but it's pretty close.

Plus, as you said a past assistant coach said he didn't remember us ever having the best talent in the Big Sky. Yet still we consistently won 10+ games, went deep in the playoffs and won the Big Sky. So again... what's different about now? Is it truly a lack of talent (Which falls on this staff) or is it something else? Perhaps the coaching staff from the years we did so well knew how to best use the talent that they brought in.

Note that I said 20 years, and I was excepting out, or intending to, all 7 years UM went to the national championship game. To me, getting to the national championship is a national championship. I started counting in 1995, and didn't include 2013, as I was comparing to Delaney's last year. Should have said only 5 10 or more win seasons since 1994. That means there were 6 seasons in which UM didn't win 10 games. You can correct the math, if necessary.

Delaney has won 10 games every year he has had an experienced qb. You just can't count the non-JJ year, as JJ was the difference on not reaching 10 that year, in my view. Thus, so far, Delaney is right where he should be.

I don't accept your refusal to count the 10-3 season last year. UM won 10 games.

UM did not go deep in the playoffs many of those years. They often went 1 and one. There have been multiple big disappointments like the CC game.

It's annoying to me that people jump on Delaney when his only real year was last year, and he was 10-3.

No one, or virtually no one, is making the cupboard is bare argument this year, to my knowledge.

Feel free to name any year in the past 20 or so, when UM has had no returning starters at o-line. Name any year in the past 20 when UM has had this weak of an o-line at the start of the season. Are you telling us the the cupboard is full at o-line.

Name any year in the past 20 when UM has had so few scholarships, which impacts the ability to bring in dropdowns in general and to fill late-developing gaps.

 

[PlayerRep]

So M.D. has around 30 games under his belt now...give or take. How many wins do we have against teams with an ABOVE .500 record or a playoff appearance??? Take the Old Pine Box U. or the Cental Wooly's of the world and scratch a Sharpie through them... There are plenty of stat gurus around here. I like the "tale of the tape measurement"... :egriz:

Delaney has lost only 5 games when he's had his qb, including to Wyo., NDSU and EWU. We'll see how this season goes, but his percentage of winning when he's had his qb looks pretty good to me.

You dissected out the body of work to support your view. No problem. I'll say this though...the cupboard has been full for a looooonnnnggg time now. Who has more representation in the NFL...(FCS of course) than the U of Montana?? Damn few if any... :egriz:

No, 10-3 in 2013, the only year with an experienced qb, and never having lost to a non-playoff or FBS team, also supports my view, as do other things, like the quality of the defense this year. To me, those first 2 things are more relevant than a signature win. I think that will be my new line. Delaney, with an experienced qb, has never lost to a non-playoff team. So there.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Note that I said 20 years, and I was excepting out, or intending to, all 7 years UM went to the national championship game. To me, getting to the national championship is a national championship. I started counting in 1995, and didn't include 2013, as I was comparing to Delaney's last year. Should have said only 5 10 or more win seasons since 1994. That means there were 6 seasons in which UM didn't win 10 games. You can correct the math, if necessary.

So.. years where we made the NC shouldn't count when doing a statistical analysis of how well we've done over the past 20 years & comparing it to Delaney's years here? Oh and I forgot, 1994 shouldn't count either even though it's year #1 in the last 20 seasons, right?

Delaney has won 10 games every year he has had an experienced qb. You just can't count the non-JJ year, as JJ was the difference on not reaching 10 that year, in my view. Thus, so far, Delaney is right where he should be.

So we also don't count years where the coach didn't have his preferred QB in place either... So we're down to not counting years where we did very well (went to the NC), not counting 1994 for some unknown reason & not counting Delaney's first year. K, what next should we omit to make Delaney look like even more of a football god?

I don't accept your refusal to count the 10-3 season last year. UM won 10 games.

I never said I refused to count it. In fact if you look at my list I did count it. We won 10 games. I just pointed out that many of our other 10 win seasons included wins over playoff bound teams, which 2013 did not. Actually...come to think of it weren't you the one who said you didn't count 2013?

UM did not go deep in the playoffs many of those years. They often went 1 and one. There have been multiple big disappointments like the CC game.

Well of course not considering you don't want to count the 7 years the Griz made it to the NC, which made up over half of the 10+ win seasons in the past 20 years. This is quite the cherry picking adventure you're going on here man! If you keep going & tossing out more years that don't agree with your opinion you might be able to even argue that Delaney is the greatest coach in Griz history!

I'll get ya started...

So the years we are left with after tossing out the 7 NC appearance years and 1994 for whatever reason are 2002, 2006 and 2011. Ya know, it's probably not fair to use 2006 and 2011 when comparing it to 2013 since we went to the semi-finals those years. Can't have those in there can we? So lets toss them too. Now we have 2002 where we went 11-3. Wait though... they didn't have the first round bye in 2002, so it wouldn't be fair either counting that year (we also won a playoff game so it's even doubly not fair!) so lets toss that one out.

Delaney is the best coach ever! In the past 20 years no coach has led the Griz to a 10 win season and averaged 10 wins a season!*


*excluding years we won the NC, went to the NC, heard about the NC, leap years, 1994, years we went to the semis, years we won playoff games and years where Delaney didn't have the QB he wanted

That better? :mrgreen:

Ok, setting aside all joking & ridiculousness (which includes your cherry picking & my taking it to a whole 'nother level of course), last year the Griz won 10 games, the playoff game was a disappointment and hopefully we will make it back to the playoffs this year for a chance at redemption. To do so we are going to need to beat some playoff bound teams since we have a MUCH tougher schedule this year than last.

If at the end of this year we are sitting at 6-6 or 7-5 with no playoffs, will you think that Delaney is the right guy for the job and should get an extension? That question of course is open for everyone. I'm curious.

 

[gotgame75]

Ok, gotgame, I guess we're really not getting anywhere with this discussion. You have your mind made up about MD, so even If I wanted to try, I wouldn't sway your thoughts anyway. But that isn't what I'm doing anyway. I'm not trying to say what I personally think of Delaney or his coaching style or his staff. And I'm certainly not telling you how to feel about him either. I just take a different viewpoint, but my main contention anyway was the fact that I do not see in any way shape or form how ANYONE, no matter how frustrated, no matter how many stats you have in front of you and no matter how many prior head coaches you are using as a comparison, no matter how much you donate to the football program, could reasonably expect or for that matter even believe that Kent Haslam should have fired Mick Delaney, and essentially the staff along with him for last season. I don't care what your evidence is, that thought process, after a 10-3 season, a win over MSU in Bozeman, finishing second in the FCS in total and average attendance, all the while being on NCAA probation, does not seem reasonable to me. I'm sorry, it just doesn't, and while you can tell me how many people you have who were lined up ready to support a move like that, I can line up just as many people who would have been completely left scratching their heads at a head coach being fired for a 10-3 season with no off field issues, and having a team who wanted nothing more than to play for him again in 2014.

And FTR, I would think that about ANYONE who was the head coach of a 10-win Montana team, whether it was Larry Donovan, Mick Dennehy or Pflu or Delaney.

Funny how with you I'm not getting anywhere, yet CV refers to the very same post as "probably the best post that I have seen on this board in two years concerning Delaney's reign". I guess I'm not meeting those lofty journalistic standards of communication.

Here's where I think our communication on this subject is breaking down: I wasn't arguing that Delaney should have been fired after last season. In fact, I never said that once. While I don't think our 10-3 record was nearly as impressive as it looks (name one playoff caliber team that we beat other than the Cats) it's understandable that you wouldn't fire a coach based on that single season. Instead, I'm referring to Delaney's tenure as a whole. Hence why I referred to the improvement and overall identity of this team over the course of Delaney's tenure. Seriously, can anyone tell me what a Delaney-coached team is supposed to look like? I'm not asking this in jest, I'm being dead serious. Who are we? With Hauck and even Pflugrad that is readily identifiable to even a casual fan. Every successful team needs an identity of some sort, yet we have none. Beyond that, what big games have we won since Delaney has been here (not counting a flailing Cat program last year)? Screw being competitive, National Championship-level coaches WIN big games. Shouldn't we have seen some glimmer of a Championship level program 2+ years into a coach's tenure, no matter how small? Yes, we have a battered and inexperienced OL that is dimming our offensive potential, but after nearly three years, shouldn't the depth of that unit lay at the feet of the HC? The bottom line is Championship-caliber coaches find a way to win big games in spite unfortunate circumstances such as injuries.

In some ways, I see the Delaney situation as comparable to that of Don Holst and the basketball program. Playing in a high school gym, Don Holst had all the excuses in the world to not win, yet somehow he was able to rally his team and win a conference championship. For many, this alone assured his continued tenure as HC. Luckily, we had a strong AD and President that saw beyond the championship, Holst was putting together a product that was below the standards we were used to seeing in Griz basketball and he was fired. While many were up in arms about it, Holst's firing directly led to one of the most successful period in the history of Griz basketball under Krystkowiak and Tinkle. Wayne Hogan had the vision to see that, in spite of a championship, Griz basketball needed to be shaken up. Like Holst that final season, Delaney had every legitimate excuse under the sun (no JJ, a pending sexual assault crisis being played out on the national stage, etc) not to have a great initial season, which he didn't. Also like Holst, Delaney rallied. Posting a 10-3 mark in his second season, Delaney gave Griz fans reasons to hope. Does being 10-3 alone mean we were a great team? For reasons that I have stated above and in other posts, I think not. Delaney stumbled into this job when there were no other options and was hired to keep the bench warm and run a clean program. And he has done just that. No one then thought he was the coach of the future, yet somehow on the heels of an inflated 10-3 record, he has become just that for some. Can't we look beyond record and see that the on-field product is not what it once was? Are we blind to the fact that we are consistently losing to anything resembling top competition? Where are the signs that Delaney is the caliber of coach to win a National Championship? I think Mick Delaney is probably a tremendous guy and a great position coach, but elite head coaching material he is not. That said, he should be celebrated for running a tight ship and guiding us through one of the most contentious periods in Griz Athletics' history. Let's not get caught up in the illusion though that last year's 10-3 record makes him something he's not. Yes it's better than losing, but squeaking out wins against teams we used to regularly dominate is not my vision for the future of Griz football. Obviously we have a lot of this season left to play and improve, which will go a long way towards deciding Delaney's ultimate fate. But let me ask you this, if we see another replica of last season (many slim margin wins and an early playoff exit, but still a lot more victories than losses on the overall record), is that enough to ensure Delaney another season in your eyes and those of fans? I would argue that if he is kept around under those circumstances, with no concrete plan for succession, that the administration has lost the premium it once held on wins in favor of simply running a clean, tight ship. We used to settle for nothing less than dominance and trips to the Chipper. I want an administration that feels the same and proves that by adequately planning for the future instead of taking the easy way out, relying on just above average results to get by with the fan base.

 

[George Ferguson]

Gotgame, just curious, why the continued little poking at my job and all that, when i feel ive been more than civil. i've never brought my job into this discussion. i've also said i'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of my opinion, SO WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU SO MUCH THAT I DON'T SHARE ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS? But, since you know where i work and all, if you have an issue, feel free to drop me an email or give me a call...cause i'm not really sure, other than that i don't share your exact views on griz football, what your issue is with me. but i'm done discussing it here.

 

[PlayerRep]

Note that I said 20 years, and I was excepting out, or intending to, all 7 years UM went to the national championship game. To me, getting to the national championship is a national championship. I started counting in 1995, and didn't include 2013, as I was comparing to Delaney's last year. Should have said only 5 10 or more win seasons since 1994. That means there were 6 seasons in which UM didn't win 10 games. You can correct the math, if necessary.

So.. years where we made the NC shouldn't count when doing a statistical analysis of how well we've done over the past 20 years & comparing it to Delaney's years here? Oh and I forgot, 1994 shouldn't count either even though it's year #1 in the last 20 seasons, right?

Delaney has won 10 games every year he has had an experienced qb. You just can't count the non-JJ year, as JJ was the difference on not reaching 10 that year, in my view. Thus, so far, Delaney is right where he should be.

So we also don't count years where the coach didn't have his preferred QB in place either... So we're down to not counting years where we did very well (went to the NC), not counting 1994 for some unknown reason & not counting Delaney's first year. K, what next should we omit to make Delaney look like even more of a football god?

I don't accept your refusal to count the 10-3 season last year. UM won 10 games.

I never said I refused to count it. In fact if you look at my list I did count it. We won 10 games. I just pointed out that many of our other 10 win seasons included wins over playoff bound teams, which 2013 did not. Actually...come to think of it weren't you the one who said you didn't count 2013?

UM did not go deep in the playoffs many of those years. They often went 1 and one. There have been multiple big disappointments like the CC game.

Well of course not considering you don't want to count the 7 years the Griz made it to the NC, which made up over half of the 10+ win seasons in the past 20 years. This is quite the cherry picking adventure you're going on here man! If you keep going & tossing out more years that don't agree with your opinion you might be able to even argue that Delaney is the greatest coach in Griz history!

I'll get ya started...

So the years we are left with after tossing out the 7 NC appearance years and 1994 for whatever reason are 2002, 2006 and 2011. Ya know, it's probably not fair to use 2006 and 2011 when comparing it to 2013 since we went to the semi-finals those years. Can't have those in there can we? So lets toss them too. Now we have 2002 where we went 11-3. Wait though... they didn't have the first round bye in 2002, so it wouldn't be fair either counting that year (we also won a playoff game so it's even doubly not fair!) so lets toss that one out.

Delaney is the best coach ever! In the past 20 years no coach has led the Griz to a 10 win season and averaged 10 wins a season!*


*excluding years we won the NC, went to the NC, heard about the NC, leap years, 1994, years we went to the semis, years we won playoff games and years where Delaney didn't have the QB he wanted

That better? :mrgreen:

Ok, setting aside all joking & ridiculousness (which includes your cherry picking & my taking it to a whole 'nother level of course), last year the Griz won 10 games, the playoff game was a disappointment and hopefully we will make it back to the playoffs this year for a chance at redemption. To do so we are going to need to beat some playoff bound teams since we have a MUCH tougher schedule this year than last.

If at the end of this year we are sitting at 6-6 or 7-5 with no playoffs, will you think that Delaney is the right guy for the job and should get an extension? That question of course is open for everyone. I'm curious.

The stat analysis I was doing was, when UM doesn't go to the national championship game, how often, from 1995 - 2014, has UM won more than 10 games, excluding Delaney's years. Of course, UM wins 10 games when it goes to the national championship game. It can't get there without winning 10 games. How about I'll do my analysis, and you can do yours.

You refuse to recognize how good of a season Delaney had last year at 10-3. You discount it. I'm not talking about any statistical analysis. I'm talking substantive analysis of Delaney.

No, no cherry picking on my part. I'm pointing out that UM has been 1 and done in multiple other years in the last 20 years. You act like UM has almost never been 1 and done before.

I have not been saying how wonderful Delaney is. I'm just defending him from no-nothings and unfair attacks. In my view, Delaney should be judged primarily by what he did last year. After this season, he should be judged by those 2 seasons.

Are you saying that if Delaney is 8-4 or 9-3, and makes it to the playoffs, he should be fired? How about if he wins a playoff game or two? Still fired. Are you saying that the o-line situation is having no significant impact on the offense and team this year? If you want to play silly hypothetical games, I'm happy to play those silly games with you.

Let's see how the season goes.

 

[PlayerRep]

CV is biased and his opinion can be skewed or out to lunch, in my view. Think he has a personal hard-on for the coaches. I sure wouldn't rely on his opinion due to the bias. And, obviously, opinions on Delaney vary from good to bad.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

So M.D. has around 30 games under his belt now...give or take. How many wins do we have against teams with an ABOVE .500 record or a playoff appearance??? Take the Old Pine Box U. or the Cental Wooly's of the world and scratch a Sharpie through them... There are plenty of stat gurus around here. I like the "tale of the tape measurement"... :egriz:

Delaney has lost only 5 games when he's had his qb, including to Wyo., NDSU and EWU. We'll see how this season goes, but his percentage of winning when he's had his qb looks pretty good to me.

Clearly, in my view (LOL), Delaney's winning percentage cannot include this seasons two losses since he doesn't have an experienced o-line. Thus Delaney has lost only 3 games when he's had his qb and o-line, :roll: but his percentage of winning when he's had his qb and o-line looks pretty good to me. :thumb:

Participation ribbons for everyone all around, especially Delaney for coaching a team without his qb or o-line. :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Frankly I do not care what the record is this season. Hopefully the Griz run the table and go into the playoffs with a vengeance.
Griz football is an on going program with a tradition of excellence and success both on and off the field. That being said, what does the future hold for a program with a coach in his 70's? MD is probably a great guy and served the team, the university and the fans well during the turbulent time but he is not the coach to take the program forward. We need someone that can work in the program down the road.
Will a younger coach stick around or are some opportunists like Joe Glenn? There is no doubt that possibility.
I am sure MD is aware of this and it will be interesting to see if he puts his personal enjoyment of the job over the long term success of the program.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

CV is biased and his opinion can be skewed or out to lunch, in my view. Think he has a personal hard-on for the coaches. I sure wouldn't rely on his opinion due to the bias. And, obviously, opinions on Delaney vary from good to bad.

The Delaney non-supporters on this board certainly don't need to use my opinions to validate their views about Delaney. Potomac and others seem to think for themselves. Delaney was a stop-gap coach after a stupid decision was made. That's it. Quite trying to make him into something that he is not. Obviously, the fan based is split down the middle on his job performance. Delaney's contract is thru the end of the season so it's not about needing to fire him. It's just about deciding to keep him. If he somehow improves on last year's third place BSC finish and wins some playoff games then who knows? For the record, I think coach Legi and coach Green are good coaches. I just don't think Delaney is up to the level that some want to make him out to be....

 

[horribilisfan8184]

CV is biased and his opinion can be skewed or out to lunch, in my view. Think he has a personal hard-on for the coaches. I sure wouldn't rely on his opinion due to the bias. And, obviously, opinions on Delaney vary from good to bad.

The Delaney non-supporters on this board certainly don't need to use my opinions to validate their views about Delaney. Potomac and others seem to think for themselves. Delaney was a stop-gap coach after a stupid decision was made. That's it. Quite trying to make him into something that he is not. Obviously, the fan based is split down the middle on his job performance. Delaney's contract is thru the end of the season so it's not about needing to fire him. It's just about deciding to keep him. If he somehow improves on last year's third place BSC finish and wins some playoff games then who knows? For the record, I think coach Legi and coach Green are good coaches. I just don't think Delaney is up to the level that some want to make him out to be....

This is exactly correct. Put another way, in 2012 we lost at least 3 games from poor coaching decisions (kick off twice, not properly prepared for EWU onside kick, punt retreat leading to fake punt first down). 2013 the players, through exceptional play making saved 2-3 games, and we lost 2 to poor coaching decisons and game planning (like CC dressing in warm weather gear the HC made every player wear, to UM players doing ther own thing and getting worn out and fatigued from the cold at the end of the 2nd qtr). I believe each of those years' teams, and even this year's team, would have fared better (more wins and deeper playoff run) under a qualified HC. I don't want Mick fired, I just hope he bows out gracefully no matter how this season ends.

 

[mcg]

CV is biased and his opinion can be skewed or out to lunch, in my view. Think he has a personal hard-on for the coaches. I sure wouldn't rely on his opinion due to the bias. And, obviously, opinions on Delaney vary from good to bad.

The Delaney non-supporters on this board certainly don't need to use my opinions to validate their views about Delaney. Potomac and others seem to think for themselves. Delaney was a stop-gap coach after a stupid decision was made. That's it. Quite trying to make him into something that he is not. Obviously, the fan based is split down the middle on his job performance. Delaney's contract is thru the end of the season so it's not about needing to fire him. It's just about deciding to keep him. If he somehow improves on last year's third place BSC finish and wins some playoff games then who knows? For the record, I think coach Legi and coach Green are good coaches. I just don't think Delaney is up to the level that some want to make him out to be....

This is exactly correct. Put another way, in 2012 we lost at least 3 games from poor coaching decisions (kick off twice, not properly prepared for EWU onside kick, punt retreat leading to fake punt first down). 2013 the players, through exceptional play making saved 2-3 games, and we lost 2 to poor coaching decisons and game planning (like CC dressing in warm weather gear the HC made every player wear, to UM players doing ther own thing and getting worn out and fatigued from the cold at the end of the 2nd qtr). I believe each of those years' teams, and even this year's team, would have fared better (more wins and deeper playoff run) under a qualified HC. I don't want Mick fired, I just hope he bows out gracefully no matter how this season ends.

The Griz won the kick-off twice game, at UNC.

 

[mcg]

Seems to me the relevant question is whether Coach D is the best coach to move Grizzly football forward for the next five (or so) years. If he is, he should be the coach; if not someone else should be the coach.

With all due respect, I gotta wonder if MD is the best coach to move Grizzly football forward for the next five years. Great guy, did a helluva job keeping the program afloat during bad times, but I gotta wonder.

 

[kemajic]

Also, going into this season, Delaney and Pflu have the same record as it pertains to making the playoffs.

Playoff records first two years coaching:

Dennehy 3-2
Glenn 7-1
Hauck 3-2
Pflu 2-1
Delaney 0-1

 

[grizcountry420]

This coaching staff has yet to win a big game against a quality opponent.....


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