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When is a good time to start talking about our next coach?

It's terrifying to think that the next head coach is currently on staff. I don't think there's a single guy cut out to be the next guy in charge of this program.

But while we like names, and I know that he's not a Montana guy therefore is not even a remote possibility, but someone give Bob Stitt a promotion!
 
kem, u misread my post. i said delaney and pflu have the same amount of playoff appearances through two seasons of coaching, not the same playoff record.
 
Two things have to happen to attract an outside coach that can carry on the Griz tradition.

The first is that RE has to be canned. No outside coach with the potential to rebuild the Griz will come here with RE as the University President . I don't want to beat a dead horse...we all know the reasons. The University of Montana deserves better!

The second is that Mick has to gracefully retire. It's time...and thank him for picking up the mess. But he has to retire to reverse the slippery slope. It' s in the best interest of the University. Unfortunately, power is an aphrodisiac, so he may not want to step down.

Then, go out and recruit Joe Moglia, the head coach of Coastal Carolina and former CEO of TD Ameritrade. Moglia signed with Coastal Carolina on December 20, 2011, replacing David Bennett. In his first season with Coastal, he led the team to win the 2012 Big South Conference Championship and was named 2012 Big South Conference Coach of the Year. They are currently ranked No. 3 in the FCS. He also has no ties with Coastal Carolina (except for being the head coach).

He is also the author of two books: The Perimeter Attack Offense and Coach Yourself to Success: Winning the Investment Game.
 
mcg said:
horribilisfan8184 said:
CV Griz Fan said:
PlayerRep said:
CV is biased and his opinion can be skewed or out to lunch, in my view. Think he has a personal hard-on for the coaches. I sure wouldn't rely on his opinion due to the bias. And, obviously, opinions on Delaney vary from good to bad.

The Delaney non-supporters on this board certainly don't need to use my opinions to validate their views about Delaney. Potomac and others seem to think for themselves. Delaney was a stop-gap coach after a stupid decision was made. That's it. Quite trying to make him into something that he is not. Obviously, the fan based is split down the middle on his job performance. Delaney's contract is thru the end of the season so it's not about needing to fire him. It's just about deciding to keep him. If he somehow improves on last year's third place BSC finish and wins some playoff games then who knows? For the record, I think coach Legi and coach Green are good coaches. I just don't think Delaney is up to the level that some want to make him out to be....

This is exactly correct. Put another way, in 2012 we lost at least 3 games from poor coaching decisions (kick off twice, not properly prepared for EWU onside kick, punt retreat leading to fake punt first down). 2013 the players, through exceptional play making saved 2-3 games, and we lost 2 to poor coaching decisons and game planning (like CC dressing in warm weather gear the HC made every player wear, to UM players doing ther own thing and getting worn out and fatigued from the cold at the end of the 2nd qtr). I believe each of those years' teams, and even this year's team, would have fared better (more wins and deeper playoff run) under a qualified HC. I don't want Mick fired, I just hope he bows out gracefully no matter how this season ends.

The Griz won the kick-off twice game, at UNC.

Shhhhh.....he's on a roll. :lol: :lol: :roll:
 
havgrizfan said:
kem, u misread my post. i said delaney and pflu have the same amount of playoff appearances through two seasons of coaching, not the same playoff record.
I didn't miss your point at all. It opened the door to some related data that make a point of its own.
 
MrTitleist said:
It's terrifying to think that the next head coach is currently on staff. I don't think there's a single guy cut out to be the next guy in charge of this program.

But while we like names, and I know that he's not a Montana guy therefore is not even a remote possibility, but someone give Bob Stitt a promotion!
I'm similarly terrified. Stitt is also a Nebraska boy, maybe tolerable to RE.
 
AZGrizFan said:
grizcountry420 said:
This coaching staff has yet to win a big game against a quality opponent.....


/End Thread



:coffee:

What happens when they do? What's next in the bitch queue?


I dunno if we can or not... but if they do beat a quality team, maybe we can bitch about the shininess of our helmets?

Oh wait.. We've already done that!

8-)
 
PlayerRep said:
rimrockgriz said:
PlayerRep said:
rimrockgriz said:
So M.D. has around 30 games under his belt now...give or take. How many wins do we have against teams with an ABOVE .500 record or a playoff appearance??? Take the Old Pine Box U. or the Cental Wooly's of the world and scratch a Sharpie through them... There are plenty of stat gurus around here. I like the "tale of the tape measurement"... :egriz:

Delaney has lost only 5 games when he's had his qb, including to Wyo., NDSU and EWU. We'll see how this season goes, but his percentage of winning when he's had his qb looks pretty good to me.
You dissected out the body of work to support your view. No problem. I'll say this though...the cupboard has been full for a looooonnnnggg time now. Who has more representation in the NFL...(FCS of course) than the U of Montana?? Damn few if any... :egriz:

No, 10-3 in 2013, the only year with an experienced qb, and never having lost to a non-playoff or FBS team, also supports my view, as do other things, like the quality of the defense this year. To me, those first 2 things are more relevant than a signature win. I think that will be my new line. Delaney, with an experienced qb, has never lost to a non-playoff team. So there.

I fully support PR here! I'm even more restrictive and only count seasons that end in a prime number (i.e. 2, 3, 5, 7).
 
the more glaring stat is that Delaney has never beat a playoff team. I hope this year changes that, but as of now its two and a half years and counting....
 
The answer to the question in the thread title is: "NOW". The old boy could tip-over or retire tomorrow and we should at least be taking steps to be prepared for that.

I do not think he should be fired mid-season (this season or last). That's crazy. But I also do not think he should be given an automatic extension simply because he has not lost to a non-playoff team (since JJ returned). That's even crazier. If that were the metric, a monkey could keep this job forever.

I believe a program is a direct reflection of its fans. E.g., EWho plays like a bunch of punks because their fans are a bunch of punks. Same can be said with MSU, except use the word "losers", etc. We used to play with confidence/arrogance but lately I've been seeing griz fans giving more excuses than demanding dominance. I'm so sick of hearing someone on here say, "its unreasonable to expect us to be on top forever." With that attitude, it sure as hell is.

7-5/8-4 will not win the BSC anymore. If that is the new acceptable metric for a HC, than you are basically saying you are okay with a coach that can't win the fricken BSC.
 
garizzalies said:
The answer to the question in the thread title is: "NOW". The old boy could tip-over or retire tomorrow and we should at least be taking steps to be prepared for that.

I do not think he should be fired mid-season (this season or last). That's crazy. But I also do not think he should be given an automatic extension simply because he has not lost to a non-playoff team (since JJ returned). That's even crazier. If that were the metric, a monkey could keep this job forever.

I believe a program is a direct reflection of its fans. E.g., EWho plays like a bunch of punks because their fans are a bunch of punks. Same can be said with MSU, except use the word "losers", etc. We used to play with confidence/arrogance but lately I've been seeing griz fans giving more excuses than demanding dominance. I'm so sick of hearing someone on here say, "its unreasonable to expect us to be on top forever." With that attitude, it sure as hell is.

7-5/8-4 will not win the BSC anymore. If that is the new acceptable metric for a HC, than you are basically saying you are okay with a coach that can't win the fricken BSC.


Well put!!! After living in Nebraska for better than a decade, I assure everyone their fans every bit as demanding as our fan base. They don't like losing. They hate falling short of expectations. Their expectations are to be national contenders. Even with a top 25 team, they are not happy. They expect to be amongst the top 10 every year.

Delaney's time here reminds me of most Husker teams under Frank Solich. Solid teams, but not good enough to beat or contend with elite programs in their conference and nationally. Were those Husker teams bad? Hell no, in comparison to most FBS programs, they were great. Other fan bases from non elite schools and conferences always thought their fans had no right to bitch because they have been amongst the best in the nation for so long. In Husker Nation their fans expect much better. Too many Husker anything less than being a contender is unacceptable.

Personally, I thought Solich was a good coach. After listening to some of the criticism of Solich and his staff, many of their knowledgeable fans were right. Their offense was pretty predictable, they did not utilized their skill players well enough, and very seldom utilized the middle of the field in their passing game. Their staff was good enough to beat the average or below teams, but would fall short against contending programs. I am seeing the same exact signs to date under Delaney. Our fans are also acting similar to how Husker fans did then.

Nebraska decided they had to make another change. As it turned out, Bill Callahan was the worse possible hire for Nebraska football. He put their program back a few years. The Huskers are still working their way toward elite status. Bo Pelini has Cornhusker Nation pretty well split. Despite a few struggles they have managed to remain unbeaten so far in 2014. Pelini of late has brought in great classes, and the upcoming class is strong so far. Pelini's status up and down, even week to week. Many Husker fans expect a major bowl game and great showing at a major bowl game this season. Anything less than that will jeopardize Pelini's job.

GRIZ and Husker fans both feel neither program should settle for anything less than being a contender at their respective levels. It is not an implication the coaches and their staffs are bad. It is a reflection of how hard the schools and programs have worked to have these high expectations over many decades. Overall, it is a great feeling to have, and great place to be for fan bases who are fortunate to have programs who have consistently reached the pinnacle in their respected levels.

We have the remainder of this season to determine the progress of the GRIZ program under Delaney. Personally, I still expect nothing less reaching the final 8 teams in the FCS playoffs. For that to happen our offensive staff has a lot of work ahead of them. If the improvement is not there and we fall short, yes I will want a new leader. If the improvement happens and the GRIZ meet or exceed expectations, then this staff has my support. Right now, I just am not sure of this staff as a whole. I am much more unsure of the staff on the offensive side.

GO GRIZ!!!
 
Ursa Major said:
PlayerRep said:
rimrockgriz said:
PlayerRep said:
Delaney has lost only 5 games when he's had his qb, including to Wyo., NDSU and EWU. We'll see how this season goes, but his percentage of winning when he's had his qb looks pretty good to me.
You dissected out the body of work to support your view. No problem. I'll say this though...the cupboard has been full for a looooonnnnggg time now. Who has more representation in the NFL...(FCS of course) than the U of Montana?? Damn few if any... :egriz:

No, 10-3 in 2013, the only year with an experienced qb, and never having lost to a non-playoff or FBS team, also supports my view, as do other things, like the quality of the defense this year. To me, those first 2 things are more relevant than a signature win. I think that will be my new line. Delaney, with an experienced qb, has never lost to a non-playoff team. So there.

I fully support PR here! I'm even more restrictive and only count seasons that end in a prime number (i.e. 2, 3, 5, 7).

PR's attempt at humor is actually pretty funny. He deserves credit where credit is due.....
 
another question similar to that one is who's the next QB gonna be? someone on the roster, willy pflug, transfer?
 
NikeGrizz said:
another question similar to that one is who's the next QB gonna be? someone on the roster, willy pflug, transfer?

Well it's not going to be an experienced qb so relax Griz Nation because at least Delaney's win/loss percentage will not count against him next season.
 
1Griz_Fan said:
NikeGrizz said:
another question similar to that one is who's the next QB gonna be? someone on the roster, willy pflug, transfer?

Well it's not going to be an experienced qb so relax Griz Nation because at least Delaney's win/loss percentage will not count against him next season.


:thumb: :lol: :clap:
 
ranco said:
the more glaring stat is that Delaney has never beat a playoff team. I hope this year changes that, but as of now its two and a half years and counting....

Delaney has never lost to a non-playoff team, when he has had a qb on the roster who has completed even one pass in college.
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
CV Griz Fan said:
PlayerRep said:
CV is biased and his opinion can be skewed or out to lunch, in my view. Think he has a personal hard-on for the coaches. I sure wouldn't rely on his opinion due to the bias. And, obviously, opinions on Delaney vary from good to bad.

The Delaney non-supporters on this board certainly don't need to use my opinions to validate their views about Delaney. Potomac and others seem to think for themselves. Delaney was a stop-gap coach after a stupid decision was made. That's it. Quite trying to make him into something that he is not. Obviously, the fan based is split down the middle on his job performance. Delaney's contract is thru the end of the season so it's not about needing to fire him. It's just about deciding to keep him. If he somehow improves on last year's third place BSC finish and wins some playoff games then who knows? For the record, I think coach Legi and coach Green are good coaches. I just don't think Delaney is up to the level that some want to make him out to be....

This is exactly correct. Put another way, in 2012 we lost at least 3 games from poor coaching decisions (kick off twice, not properly prepared for EWU onside kick, punt retreat leading to fake punt first down). 2013 the players, through exceptional play making saved 2-3 games, and we lost 2 to poor coaching decisons and game planning (like CC dressing in warm weather gear the HC made every player wear, to UM players doing ther own thing and getting worn out and fatigued from the cold at the end of the 2nd qtr). I believe each of those years' teams, and even this year's team, would have fared better (more wins and deeper playoff run) under a qualified HC. I don't want Mick fired, I just hope he bows out gracefully no matter how this season ends.

Not true. One at most. Blaming the CC loss on how the Griz were dressed shows that you don't have a clue. Every coach and player would laugh at you for that one.
 
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