what happened the night of the Foresters Ball?

[mcg]

The "higher standard" is in place for one simple reason -- because athletics is a marketing arm of the university, and whatever makes athletics look bad also has the potential to damage the reputation/business of the entire university.

A kid with an academic scholarship isn't someone that is generally used by the school to market itself within the state or around the country, so their actions just aren't generally followed nearly as close. But athletes are put out there as the face of the university, and are therefore treated differently.

So schools apply a higher standard to the athletes because it is trying to protect its brand.

Is that fair to the student-athletes? Not really. But that's the reality. If those standards weren't in place, and athletics was no longer useful to the school as a marketing arm, athletics wouldn't exist in the form they do today, so I guess the higher standard is just part of the grander bargrain that allows intercollegiate athletics to exist in the first place.

That's it right there. Remember that choosing to play football is a choice, if you don't want the exposure and visibility, don't play.

 

[ilovethecats]

Who on this board can name UM's starting quarterback? Now, who can name UM's president?

Just sayin.

this is kinda what i was getting at. if for no other reason, athletes should be held at a higher standard than other students simply because of the shit-show that occurs when they screw up. you guys are right in the midst of it right now. if jj was just another student, no way his situation even sniffs the media. maybe a little blurb in the back of the paper saying a rape might have occured like we saw happen at msu last night. if you treat these guys just like everyone else, they'll act like everyone else. and unfortunately everyone else isn't doing the things that our universities want them to be doing.

hell, just look at the stupid crap you did in college. i can say "you" because i don't care who you are...you did some really stupid crap. if i was an athlete at msu and word got out some of the nonsense i was doing on the weekends....msu athletics and the university as a whole that i was representing would have looked really stupid! especially because it was pretty much an every weekend thing! and i ws friends with a ton of athletes, and they'd basically stick around until they knew things were only going to get more out of hand. then they'd leave and the rest of us idiots were the ones to get in trouble when we got carried away!

the smart athletes know when to leave..... the dummies stick around and wait for the cops to get involved. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

The "higher standard" is in place for one simple reason -- because athletics is a marketing arm of the university, and whatever makes athletics look bad also has the potential to damage the reputation/business of the entire university.

A kid with an academic scholarship isn't someone that is generally used by the school to market itself within the state or around the country, so their actions just aren't generally followed nearly as close. But athletes are put out there as the face of the university, and are therefore treated differently.

So schools apply a higher standard to the athletes because it is trying to protect its brand.

Is that fair to the student-athletes? Not really. But that's the reality. If those standards weren't in place, and athletics was no longer useful to the school as a marketing arm, athletics wouldn't exist in the form they do today, so I guess the higher standard is just part of the grander bargrain that allows intercollegiate athletics to exist in the first place.

That's it right there. Remember that choosing to play football is a choice, if you don't want the exposure and visibility, don't play.

So what? What does that comment add to the discussion?

 

[EverettGriz]

Everettgriz is saying "Student-Athletes Must be held to a hgiher standard

You're damn right I'm saying that, Hav. And I believe it. And FWIW, I believe it applies to ALL student-athletes, not just football players (I find it a little hard to believe I'm even replying, becuase your argument that people only care because football players are involved is bizzare at best).

I'm not just a fan of football. I'm a fan of the MONTANA GRIZZLIES. And I'm a fan of the Grizzlies because I am a proud graduate of the University of Montana. I love the University first. I love the sports programs because of my passion for UM. So yes, I DO care how my University is represented, whether that's from the Administration, the faculty, the staff, the football team, the debate club, or even the fans. If somone is representing UM, they better damn well do it professionally.

 

[Spanky]

:clap:

 

[getgrizzy]

Everettgriz is saying "Student-Athletes Must be held to a hgiher standard

You're damn right I'm saying that, Hav. And I believe it. And FWIW, I believe it applies to ALL student-athletes, not just football players (I find it a little hard to believe I'm even replying, becuase your argument that people only care because football players are involved is bizzare at best).

I'm not just a fan of football. I'm a fan of the MONTANA GRIZZLIES. And I'm a fan of the Grizzlies because I am a proud graduate of the University of Montana. I love the University first. I love the sports programs because of my passion for UM. So yes, I DO care how my University is represented, whether that's from the Administration, the faculty, the staff, the football team, the debate club, or even the fans. If somone is representing UM, they better damn well do it professionally.

reader discretion advised: you don't have to be this big of a fanatic to enjoy grizzly sports. :silly:

 

[Spanky]

Whoops....that was supposed to be two claps

 

[EverettGriz]

Everettgriz is saying "Student-Athletes Must be held to a hgiher standard

You're damn right I'm saying that, Hav. And I believe it. And FWIW, I believe it applies to ALL student-athletes, not just football players (I find it a little hard to believe I'm even replying, becuase your argument that people only care because football players are involved is bizzare at best).

I'm not just a fan of football. I'm a fan of the MONTANA GRIZZLIES. And I'm a fan of the Grizzlies because I am a proud graduate of the University of Montana. I love the University first. I love the sports programs because of my passion for UM. So yes, I DO care how my University is represented, whether that's from the Administration, the faculty, the staff, the football team, the debate club, or even the fans. If somone is representing UM, they better damn well do it professionally.

reader discretion advised: you don't have to be this big of a fanatic to enjoy grizzly sports. :silly:

And no one is claiming you do. I was simply replying to a ridiculous argument. You're well familiar with those.

 

[Armchairqb]

OK I know this will sound not PC but, how does it take one month to know if you have been raped?

I have the answer to this: They had to wait until the first Spring practice was ready to start! :thumb: Shock and Awe!

 

[getgrizzy]

OK I know this will sound not PC but, how does it take one month to know if you have been raped?

i can't get past f.s.

yeah, i'm sure it's way more f.s. than not p.c. f.s. trumps p.c. every time.

 

[mcg]

The "higher standard" is in place for one simple reason -- because athletics is a marketing arm of the university, and whatever makes athletics look bad also has the potential to damage the reputation/business of the entire university.

A kid with an academic scholarship isn't someone that is generally used by the school to market itself within the state or around the country, so their actions just aren't generally followed nearly as close. But athletes are put out there as the face of the university, and are therefore treated differently.

So schools apply a higher standard to the athletes because it is trying to protect its brand.

Is that fair to the student-athletes? Not really. But that's the reality. If those standards weren't in place, and athletics was no longer useful to the school as a marketing arm, athletics wouldn't exist in the form they do today, so I guess the higher standard is just part of the grander bargrain that allows intercollegiate athletics to exist in the first place.

That's it right there. Remember that choosing to play football is a choice, if you don't want the exposure and visibility, don't play.

So what? What does that comment add to the discussion?

If a football player doesn't want to live up to the higher standard, that's fine, don't play football. It's up to the player.