what can we do for JJ?

[Cats2506]

Ask Miami how well that works.

:lol: :lol:

Yeah and ask USC, Reggie Bush, etc. etc. etc. Some of you just don't get it. You can't give him or his parents any help. Anything could/would be construed as a "gift." And if either the U of M or the NCAA caught wind of it would be death to the footbal program.

NCAA: "Mr. and Mrs. Johnson, how were you able to payoff all those legal fees?"

Johnson's: "We just used this large suitcase of cash that we found."

NCAA: " :shock: "

As unfortunate as this situation is, Jordan and his family are going to be under the "watchful" eye of U of M compliance and the NCAA.

IF they did the T-shirt thing, how is it a gift? You paid money and received value in return. Heck the IRS even says you can't write off a donation if you received something of value....it's not a donation. How can the NCAA legislate against entrepreneurship?

Well a few years back MSU had to self report a violation, a few players were involved in selling t-shirts that said "In McGhee we Trust" they were blue but had no logos on them. the money from the t-shirts went to a local religious charity, it was still considered a violation and had to be reported and they sellers were instructed to stop, and were even suspended for a game or two I believe.

Do you really think selling a #10 jersey in maroon would be any different especially when the money is going to one of the players families.

Oh yeah, look int the Ohio State memorabilia for tattoos NCAA violations for another example.

 

[George Ferguson]

I'm pretty certain NOBODY, should DO ANYTHING to financially assist Jordan Johnson's family while he plays quarterback for the University of Montana. PERIOD!!!!! If any college football fan doesn't understand why, they can't do that right now, they haven't been paying attention. JJ just got his football career back. Why in god's name would any fan even consider doing something that would screw that up.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I'm pretty certain NOBODY, should DO ANYTHING to financially assist Jordan Johnson's family while he plays quarterback for the University of Montana. PERIOD!!!!! If any college football fan doesn't understand why, they can't do that right now, they haven't been paying attention. JJ just got his football career back. Why in god's name would any fan even consider doing something that would screw that up.

Oh crap I can see fans of other BSC teams collecting money and sending it to the Johnsons, then reporting it to the NCAA. NCAA suspends JJ, football teams is put on probation, we lose recruits, and every other fan base is happy. :thumb:

I am kidding of course, but would not put that to be too far fetched with some fans out there.

 

[George Ferguson]

I agree Grizrule, not that far fetched. The fact that this is even being discussed on here when every Griz fan should KNOW they can't assist the family of a scholarship player, really frightens me. It's a wonderful thought. It's nice that people are willing to help each other in a time of need and it's admirable, but it's not allowed and it's not legal in college athletics.

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

If selling t shirts of your kid were allowed, don't you think that it would have been done before??

Wait till the kid is out of college, then help him financially if that is where you feel you need to donate your money...

 

[Cats2506]

I'm pretty certain NOBODY, should DO ANYTHING to financially assist Jordan Johnson's family while he plays quarterback for the University of Montana. PERIOD!!!!! If any college football fan doesn't understand why, they can't do that right now, they haven't been paying attention. JJ just got his football career back. Why in god's name would any fan even consider doing something that would screw that up.

Oh crap I can see fans of other BSC teams collecting money and sending it to the Johnsons, then reporting it to the NCAA. NCAA suspends JJ, football teams is put on probation, we lose recruits, and every other fan base is happy. :thumb:

I am kidding of course, but would not put that to be too far fetched with some fans out there.

Dont think I havent thought about that :lol: :lol:

 

[bigkid]

Its not against federal tax rules to give someone a tax free gift up to $14,000.00 per year (Code sec. 2503(b)) and for an NCAA violation to occur I believe the donor has to somehow be associated with the school(booster, alumni etc...) so please 2506 and other "non-related donors give away." No excessive benefit problems here. In fact if I gave 2506 a gift and he in return gave it to JJ's father I wouldn't see a problem provided I didn't give it with any demand of how 2506 spent it and intent was in fact a gift. If so then any "gifts" given to the Johnson's for the next two years would come under scrutiny.

 

[MTOutsider]

The sad part is that in 20 or 30 years and Paoli donates a million dollars for a new score board or new turf, he will be everyone's hero. Few people will remember that it was paid for by people like jj's parents and people like them that worked their entire life to do so. So next time you are at a game and look up to the luxury boxes, remember who really paid for them.

 

[grizman71]

Its not against federal tax rules to give someone a tax free gift up to $14,000.00 per year (Code sec. 2503(b)) and for an NCAA violation to occur I believe the donor has to somehow be associated with the school(booster, alumni etc...) so please 2506 and other "non-related donors give away." No excessive benefit problems here. In fact if I gave 2506 a gift and he in return gave it to JJ's father I wouldn't see a problem provided I didn't give it with any demand of how 2506 spent it and intent was in fact a gift. If so then any "gifts" given to the Johnson's for the next two years would come under scrutiny.

The NCAA and IRS are different entities. The IRS has no jurisdiction over the NCAA and visa versa. If people want to role the dice and provide the Johnson's money, whatever the means, you will only hurt them and the University of Montana. No means No!

By the way, if you gave 2506 a "gift" and he in-turn gave it to the Johnson's, and the NCAA begins to investigate, don't think for a minute he would fall on the sword for you.

 

[Cats2506]

Its not against federal tax rules to give someone a tax free gift up to $14,000.00 per year (Code sec. 2503(b)) and for an NCAA violation to occur I believe the donor has to somehow be associated with the school(booster, alumni etc...) so please 2506 and other "non-related donors give away." No excessive benefit problems here. In fact if I gave 2506 a gift and he in return gave it to JJ's father I wouldn't see a problem provided I didn't give it with any demand of how 2506 spent it and intent was in fact a gift. If so then any "gifts" given to the Johnson's for the next two years would come under scrutiny.

Yeah, send me a gift, I will put it to good use :lol:

I figured if I was going to send JJ's family some money for the NCAA to find out perhaps a $25 donation to the lockeroom fund would fit this bill make me a "booster" in the eyes of the NCAA. It is really very hard to meet the minimum requirements of being a booster to the NCAA

 

[mtgrizfankb]

Yea...let's put this online...the NCAA would never look on here........

 

[BigPawzSharpClawz]

Here's what we need to do for JJ.
STOP commenting on the trial, the outcome or attorney fees.

No more references or threads about the trial in any form.
If you want to really help him move forward...stop commenting on the past!
(typo corrected)

 

[Hammer]

Here's what we need to do for JJ.
STOP commenting on the trail, the outcome or attorney fees.

No more references or threads about the trail in any form.
If you want to really help him move forward...stop commenting on the past!

*trial* but yeah I agree. The kid stated in the trial he just wanted to be a normal college kid again. Why can't we just honor his wishes and let all the off the field stuff just go away!!!

 

[NewPapaBear]

Here's what we need to do for JJ.
STOP commenting on the trail, the outcome or attorney fees.

No more references or threads about the trail in any form.
If you want to really help him move forward...stop commenting on the past!

*trial* but yeah I agree. The kid stated in the trial he just wanted to be a normal college kid again. Why can't we just honor his wishes and let all the off the field stuff just go away!!!

Big Pawz has probaly just got home from the "horse" & my guess is he had more then one can of soup! U r still my dude Clawz. See you in a few weeks & dinner on me. You buy the drinks though. I could go broke sippin soup with you.

BTW I completely agree with you. Lets all move on to football.

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[griz4life]

Having looked into this, i can say absolutely that there really isnt anything we can do that wouldn't harm the Griz or JJ. Anything sold that plays on his likeness including his jersey number is going to be trouble. The NCAA is going to declare Johnson ineligible if his folks start selling merchandize. You can't even as an athlete market yourself in a non athletic way without being booted.
And did't the current NCAA investigation focus on whether Griz athletes were getting discounted or free legal services? I remember seeing something like that on egriz. If that's the case, you can bet the NCAA is wathcing this board closely to see if anything occurs that violates the rules.
We need to drop this. The cure is more damaging than the condition.

 

[Hammer]

Having looked into this, i can say absolutely that there really isnt anything we can do that wouldn't harm the Griz or JJ. Anything sold that plays on his likeness including his jersey number is going to be trouble. The NCAA is going to declare Johnson ineligible if his folks start selling merchandize. You can't even as an athlete market yourself in a non athletic way without being booted.
And did't the current NCAA investigation focus on whether Griz athletes were getting discounted or free legal services? I remember seeing something like that on egriz. If that's the case, you can bet the NCAA is wathcing this board closely to see if anything occurs that violates the rules.
We need to drop this. The cure is more damaging than the condition.

exactly, can't even give JJ or any other player a friggin hot dog without a violation. People just need to STFU about this and let JJ go back to being just another college QB. Yes there are alot of eyes that view this board and alot of them aren't JJ or UM fans. Lets just shut up!

 

[tnt]

[exactly, can't even give JJ or any other player a friggin hot dog without a violation. People just need to STFU about this and let JJ go back to being just another college QB. Yes there are alot of eyes that view this board and alot of them aren't JJ or UM fans. Lets just shut up!

I suspect there isn't anything more that JJ would want than to just be another college QB. He claimed in trial not to particularly enjoy the extra attention his celebrity brought him. I can't imagine that its different now.

 

[HannahO]

I guess I can understand everyone's desire to help out this family but beyond the NCAA violation aspect there's a basic tenet of law you are overlooking: they did not have to go into debt to get legal representation. As an unemployed college student, JJ was entitled to free legal representation. They made a choice (probably one many parents would make) to incur the debt. If it's nothing something they as a family could live with, they should not have taken that option.

And before you come back with how much better private attorney practice is, I've worked both and am aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each and am simply pointing out that, unlike some hardships in life such as medical bills, the Johnson family did not have to incur several $100,000's in debt.

 

[granitegriz]

HannahO...give me a break! Yes, it was a choice. But the choice couldn't have been more clear or required. What reality are you living in? Paoli's team versus a public defender is trying to compare apples to oranges. Even if the public defender is competent, it is still one attorney working for him with limited resources. Pray to heaven that you yourself and Irene never need public defender for a felony charge.

 

[Hammer]

HannahO...give me a break! Yes, it was a choice. But the choice couldn't have been more clear or required. What reality are you living in? Paoli's team versus a public defender is trying to compare apples to oranges. Even if the public defender is competent, it is still one attorney working for him with limited resources. Pray to heaven that you yourself and Irene never need public defender for a felony charge.

True. If your child faced 10-20 yrs in prison if convicted would you take the cheap route?? Hell no I would spare no expense if my childs future was in jeapardy. I can't imagine using a public defender in this situation. What a stupid idea!