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What Came 1st, The Snap, or the Timeout?
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We need 2 things.
Further confirmation of what several posters said, i.e. that Choate was standing by the ref on the sideline appearing to get ready to call a TO. Or, evidence to the contrary.
And, a rule interpretation from someone who actually knows, that it is okay for a coach to run to the goal line, stand by the ref before the ball is snapped, and then call a TO. As opposed to what the linked rule actually says. Also, see the full rule below, a portion of which gg didn't bother to quote. How long was Choate standing with the ref? Was the ref on the sideline the nearest ref to Choate/coaches' box area? So, penalty on Choate if he doesn't call a TO?
Kyle Sample, was there knowledge behind your earlier comment?
"If the ball is being snapped from beyond the team area, the head coach may
leave the coaching box to request a time-out or to initiate an instant replay challenge."
"He must stay “in the white” and move directly to the nearest
official on his sideline.
These are the only situations in which coaches are permitted to enter the field of
play.
Coaches are not allowed to enter the field of play to call plays, to congratulate players, to follow a play down the field, to get a better look at the action, or to communicate with game officials. They are allowed to move down the sideline off the field of play beyond the team area
only to request a timeout or to initiate an instant replay challenge."
Further confirmation of what several posters said, i.e. that Choate was standing by the ref on the sideline appearing to get ready to call a TO. Or, evidence to the contrary.
And, a rule interpretation from someone who actually knows, that it is okay for a coach to run to the goal line, stand by the ref before the ball is snapped, and then call a TO. As opposed to what the linked rule actually says. Also, see the full rule below, a portion of which gg didn't bother to quote. How long was Choate standing with the ref? Was the ref on the sideline the nearest ref to Choate/coaches' box area? So, penalty on Choate if he doesn't call a TO?
Kyle Sample, was there knowledge behind your earlier comment?
"If the ball is being snapped from beyond the team area, the head coach may
leave the coaching box to request a time-out or to initiate an instant replay challenge."
"He must stay “in the white” and move directly to the nearest
official on his sideline.
These are the only situations in which coaches are permitted to enter the field of
play.
Coaches are not allowed to enter the field of play to call plays, to congratulate players, to follow a play down the field, to get a better look at the action, or to communicate with game officials. They are allowed to move down the sideline off the field of play beyond the team area
only to request a timeout or to initiate an instant replay challenge."
The.Real.2506
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Just as well call it closed, you guys would probably fumble before punching it in any way :thumb:AZGrizFan said:
The.Real.2506
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PlayerRep said:
That discussion was BEFORE Choate called the timeout
Pls pay attention
So, which ref called the TO? See below quote from Bill Speltz of the Missoulian:
"Montana State was granted a timeout on that play too, apparently calling for it just before the ball was snapped. No one seemed to realize, including the side judges, who signified touchdown with arms raised."
And note Hauck says the TO was "apparently" called.
"We were in the end zone and apparently they got the timeout called."
"Montana State was granted a timeout on that play too, apparently calling for it just before the ball was snapped. No one seemed to realize, including the side judges, who signified touchdown with arms raised."
And note Hauck says the TO was "apparently" called.
"We were in the end zone and apparently they got the timeout called."
PlayerRep said:
It's already been answered and confirmed several times... so what are you missing or what am I missing? Choate told the ref face to fact to be ready because he was going to call a timeout before the next play. He then signaled for TO before the ball was snapped, done deal. Someone posted above the Coach can go out side of the coaches area, as far as they need to go in order to get close enough to a ref to call a time out? This was all very clear on the replay as well, and it was completely legal and in fact a brilliant coaching move. It's why the Choate-led Cats won the game. There is nothing left to discuss.
SACCAT66 said:Here is the proof at long last...From this angle he is clearly not at the endzone...(photo courtesy of Skyline Sports)
Doesn't a coach have to make more of a "T" sign when calling timeout? This looks like an "L" and the play sheet really distorts it. Doesn't the rule state that the "T" needs to be formed using the left had as the top of the "T" rather than the right?
Mousegriz said:SACCAT66 said:Here is the proof at long last...From this angle he is clearly not at the endzone...(photo courtesy of Skyline Sports)
Doesn't a coach have to make more of a "T" sign when calling timeout? This looks like an "L" and the play sheet really distorts it. Doesn't the rule state that the "T" needs to be formed using the left had as the top of the "T" rather than the right?
You could be right...I think he also have to say "TIMEOUT TIMEOUT TIMEOUT TIMEOUT" instead of just saying it once....I will call Mark Emmert and find out for sure...
If he’s waiting to call timeout it doesn’t matter where the coach is standing. As long as he’s in “the white area”. The “white area” extends all the way around the field, but it isn’t literally white on every field hence the quotation marks.
So that aspect of the discussion can be eliminated.
The only thing that can be questioned is whether Choate called the timeout before the snap and if it was recognized by the official before the snap. It’s impossible to say for sure if that happened without video.
The ref could’ve acknowledged the timeout and not blown his whistle before the snap, but this would not nullify the timeout call. Refs often do this on false starts and timeouts before FGs. The reason this happens is because football refs are trained not to hold their whistle in their mouth to avoid inadvertently blowing it. So it happens that a play starts before a whistle is blown since the ref needs to put the whistle in his/her mouth. Refs typically have the whistle in their hand with the strap wrapped around their wrist.
So that aspect of the discussion can be eliminated.
The only thing that can be questioned is whether Choate called the timeout before the snap and if it was recognized by the official before the snap. It’s impossible to say for sure if that happened without video.
The ref could’ve acknowledged the timeout and not blown his whistle before the snap, but this would not nullify the timeout call. Refs often do this on false starts and timeouts before FGs. The reason this happens is because football refs are trained not to hold their whistle in their mouth to avoid inadvertently blowing it. So it happens that a play starts before a whistle is blown since the ref needs to put the whistle in his/her mouth. Refs typically have the whistle in their hand with the strap wrapped around their wrist.
Bear Spray
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The.Real.2506 said:
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bear Spray
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SACCAT66 said:Mousegriz said:SACCAT66 said:Here is the proof at long last...From this angle he is clearly not at the endzone...(photo courtesy of Skyline Sports)
Doesn't a coach have to make more of a "T" sign when calling timeout? This looks like an "L" and the play sheet really distorts it. Doesn't the rule state that the "T" needs to be formed using the left had as the top of the "T" rather than the right?
You could be right...I think he also have to say "TIMEOUT TIMEOUT TIMEOUT TIMEOUT" instead of just saying it once....I will call Mark Emmert and find out for sure...
No Way is this real. No way would a reporter be looking at the MSU coach instead of the actual play! Can we change the name of this thread to 'POOOOOOOOOR Grizzlies!' ??
