What Came 1st, The Snap, or the Timeout?

[Mousegriz]

If you watch the Root replay, during the um timeout, the camera is on Choate. He puts his hand over the mouthpiece of his headset and tells the referee that is standing next to him and clearly says “I’m going to call a timeout”

You lost. Suck it up!!

.....and then he called it right before the snap.....and the sideline official who he'd told he was going to made the call.....but players probably didn't see and snapped ball anyway.....and the Griz won the game!!

Not unlike one or two or three (or dozens) of FG attempts made at all levels every week where the sideline official and coach know it's coming, make the call, but the snap and kick occur anyway.....and they have to try again.

This is the ultimate EGriz whine thread.

 

[bandit218]

Can’t remember where I saw it, but maybe Sneeds crouch tipped him off. Would make perfect sense as to why it was so closely timed.

 

[poiuyter]

Watched the replay. Could hear a whistle before the snap. Crowd noise made it hard to hear.

 

[PlayerRep]

Watched the replay. Could hear a whistle before the snap. Crowd noise made it hard to hear.

Multiple people who said they saw the replay said whistle was after the snap.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

 

[Mousegriz]

Watched the replay. Could hear a whistle before the snap. Crowd noise made it hard to hear.

Multiple people who PR knows say they talked to someone who sees and hears better than you!

This thread won't give up. TO was called, TD didn't count. Griz fumbled on the next play, didn't score and the Cats won!

I didn't play the game but some of you who did should know enough about football to realize last Saturday's game is over!

 

[PlayerRep]

Watched the replay. Could hear a whistle before the snap. Crowd noise made it hard to hear.

Multiple people who PR knows say they talked to someone who sees and hears better than you!

This thread won't give up. TO was called, TD didn't count. Griz fumbled on the next play, didn't score and the Cats won!

I didn't play the game but some of you who did should know enough about football to realize last Saturday's game is over!

Actually, various posters have said that.

All I have wanted to know all along is when, exactly, did Choate call the TO and how did he call it, what was the ref looking at then, and how did the referee react, including when did he blow his whistle. So, there are a lot of different answers and alot of speculation. And lots of useless answers and posts.

More posters have said they heard, on replay, a faint whistle after the snap, than have said before. Even if after, obviously, that doesn't mean the TO was called on a timely basis.

Why do some of you get so out of sort or upset, when questions are asked? I don't just accept the opinions of people, especially egriz posters. I prefer the facts, so I can make my own judgements and conclusions.

 

[RayWill]

If you watch the Root replay, during the um timeout, the camera is on Choate. He puts his hand over the mouthpiece of his headset and tells the referee that is standing next to him and clearly says “I’m going to call a timeout”

You lost. Suck it up!!

Agreed. I at the time I never thought it was a bad ref call. Just a good move by the kitties coach.

 

[Fahque]

WOW, I finally got a chance to watch the last drive from my DVR. I have watched the play when Eastwood scored, to have it called back for a Cat time out. Too bad, we cannot have video to confirm when the timeout occurred. Based on audio and when I heard the whistle, it sounded as if the GRIZ snapped the ball slightly before a whistle was heard/blown. I hope everyone who can watch the replay, do so, then give your opinion. I really am trying not to be a GRIZ homer on this. I'd actually hope that maybe some other BSC team fans can weigh in, that aren't GRIZ or Cat fans.

Then again, the difference is so slight, and the officials don't have the benefit of replay to hear and/or see it, like we do. Either way, after seeing and hearing the replay, I honestly feel, once the offense is set, the defense cannot call a time out. Doing it so late really makes the job of the officials more difficult. That is magnified by a loud stadium too. I honestly doubt the officials could hear when the whistle actually blew for the timeout. Therefore, they used common sense, assuming MSU did indeed call time out on time.

It is a shame, the GRIZ lost. We have no way of knowing, one way or the other as to when the timeout was officially called, then granted. Based on what we can see and hear, to me I think the TD should have been confirmed. Either way, the GRIZ should not have let the Cats come back to have everyone in that position. Maybe this will create some change for the better, to make officiating slightly bit easier.

Either way, the Cats took advantage of the GRIZ allowing them to comeback. The outcome of the game was determined by more things than this. A great game like that, should not end in question, like this one did.

In the postgame presser Choate said he informed the head linejudge while the teams were still huddled he was going to take a timeout. He wanted to see the formation. Late whistle was on the (always awful) Big Sky refs...it was a tough deal for you guys, but it was legit.

He still needs to be right next to the official to call the time out. Coached can't just let the ref know they want a time out right before the snap...they don't even know what the snap count is.

 

[poorgriz]

Jeff Choate: "Greg, just so you know, I called timeout before they snapped the ball. Clearly that timeout was called before they snapped the ball." He went on to explain how he told the ref beforehand that he was going to call a time out before the next play. He also went on to explain how it was a premeditated plan made by he and TG, why they did it, and why they waited until just prior to the snap. It's all in the Choate weekly presser.

 

[Fahque]

There is clear video on ROOT of Choate
mouthing he was going to call a timeout.

And I was just speaking to your hypothetical. That’s the protocol. A ref gets the request for timeout, you blow your whistle and run in waving your hands. So in a hypothetical situation like that if a ref came in blowing his whistle signaling for a timeout but the team didn’t have any left, the play would be dead at the time the whistle was blown.

Again, He still needs to actually call the time out. Coached can't just let the ref know ahead of time they want a time out right before the snap...they don't even know what the snap count is.

 

[Fahque]

Choate timed the TO with Sneeds pre-snap crouch

This is what I figured too

 

[The.Real.2506]

Watched the replay. Could hear a whistle before the snap. Crowd noise made it hard to hear.

Multiple people who PR knows say they talked to someone who sees and hears better than you!

This thread won't give up. TO was called, TD didn't count. Griz fumbled on the next play, didn't score and the Cats won!

I didn't play the game but some of you who did should know enough about football to realize last Saturday's game is over!

Actually, various posters have said that.

All I have wanted to know all along is when, exactly, did Choate call the TO and how did he call it, what was the ref looking at then, and how did the referee react, including when did he blow his whistle. So, there are a lot of different answers and alot of speculation. And lots of useless answers and posts.

More posters have said they heard, on replay, a faint whistle after the snap, than have said before. Even if after, obviously, that doesn't mean the TO was called on a timely basis.

Why do some of you get so out of sort or upset, when questions are asked? I don't just accept the opinions of people, especially egriz posters. I prefer the facts, so I can make my own judgements and conclusions.

The only one that can answer all of this is the line judge, and he alerady made his ruling based on what happened.

YOu sound like a democrat that wants a recount :thumb:

 

[Fahque]

Just watching the replay. Funny how nobody is mentioning the fact Bobby called a timeout before halftime after the Cats lined up at the 3 yard line. The whistle was blown before the play was ran, but the Cats were already lined up and Hauck called time out after he saw what the cats line up was going to be

You just explained the difference between the two situations. Good job :clap:

In the first, the time out was obviously before the snap of the ball. The one in question, the time out appeared to happen after the snap of the ball. Get it?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[The.Real.2506]

Just watching the replay. Funny how nobody is mentioning the fact Bobby called a timeout before halftime after the Cats lined up at the 3 yard line. The whistle was blown before the play was ran, but the Cats were already lined up and Hauck called time out after he saw what the cats line up was going to be

You just explained the difference between the two situations. Good job :clap:

In the first, the time out was obviously before the snap of the ball. The one in question, the time out appeared to happen after the snap of the ball. Get it?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The line judge, (the one whose job it is to determin if the TO was before or after the snap) evidently felt the TO was before the snap.

 

[Fahque]

Why would anyone mention that? It happens all the time. It is perfectly fine. No question the TO was called in time. No play was run. No apparent TD was scored.

So it's OK when th griz do it, but not the Cats... Good to know. Even the announcers were impressed by the use of TO By both coaches.

Did anyone complain about the Cats "doing it"? If so, please post the complaint.

That's what this entire thing is about. Complaints about Choate calling a TO.
Anyways, on to more important things in this world. It was a classic game to watch

You should just stay over on bobcat nation. really

 

[Fahque]

If you watch the Root replay, during the um timeout, the camera is on Choate. He puts his hand over the mouthpiece of his headset and tells the referee that is standing next to him and clearly says “I’m going to call a timeout”

You lost. Suck it up!!

Telling the ref he's GOING TO call a time out and actually calling it are two different things. Everyone is just curious of the timing of his actually calling the time out.

 

[PlayerRep]

Jeff Choate: "Greg, just so you know, I called timeout before they snapped the ball. Clearly that timeout was called before they snapped the ball." He went on to explain how he told the ref beforehand that he was going to call a time out before the next play. He also went on to explain how it was a premeditated plan made by he and TG, why they did it, and why they waited until just prior to the snap. It's all in the Choate weekly presser.

Great. So we are supposed to believe everything a coach says? Do you think he would admit that he called the TO late but the ref blew his whistle anyway. I am the type who wants hard evidence ge really. Let’s see the video. Let’s get unbiased observations.

 

[PlayerRep]

WOW, I finally got a chance to watch the last drive from my DVR. I have watched the play when Eastwood scored, to have it called back for a Cat time out. Too bad, we cannot have video to confirm when the timeout occurred. Based on audio and when I heard the whistle, it sounded as if the GRIZ snapped the ball slightly before a whistle was heard/blown. I hope everyone who can watch the replay, do so, then give your opinion. I really am trying not to be a GRIZ homer on this. I'd actually hope that maybe some other BSC team fans can weigh in, that aren't GRIZ or Cat fans.

Then again, the difference is so slight, and the officials don't have the benefit of replay to hear and/or see it, like we do. Either way, after seeing and hearing the replay, I honestly feel, once the offense is set, the defense cannot call a time out. Doing it so late really makes the job of the officials more difficult. That is magnified by a loud stadium too. I honestly doubt the officials could hear when the whistle actually blew for the timeout. Therefore, they used common sense, assuming MSU did indeed call time out on time.

It is a shame, the GRIZ lost. We have no way of knowing, one way or the other as to when the timeout was officially called, then granted. Based on what we can see and hear, to me I think the TD should have been confirmed. Either way, the GRIZ should not have let the Cats come back to have everyone in that position. Maybe this will create some change for the better, to make officiating slightly bit easier.

Either way, the Cats took advantage of the GRIZ allowing them to comeback. The outcome of the game was determined by more things than this. A great game like that, should not end in question, like this one did.

In the postgame presser Choate said he informed the head linejudge while the teams were still huddled he was going to take a timeout. He wanted to see the formation. Late whistle was on the (always awful) Big Sky refs...it was a tough deal for you guys, but it was legit.

He still needs to be right next to the official to call the time out. Coached can't just let the ref know they want a time out right before the snap...they don't even know what the snap count is.

I would also like to know where Choate was standing. The rule doesn’t allow a TO if not in the vicinity of the coach box or player area. Don’t know how that rule is interpreted, but it’s clear what it says.

Fahque, I agreee with all your posts on this subject. Why are so many Cat fans so sensitive on this issue? What are they hiding from?

 

[Ursus1]

I am in the camp they knew exactly when to call it based on DS crouch...dead give away and easy to see after watching as much game film as they do in prep.

Still can't believe griz coaches did not clean that up if they knew it (if they didn't notice it they should have read egriz for pointers, BW called it out weeks ago). Still remember in the 80's when a dline player told me they knew one opponent was going to run or pass based on one oline guy's amount of weight he put on fingers in 3 point stance.