What Came 1st, The Snap, or the Timeout?

[PlayerRep]

Agreed. But a whistle officially ends the play by rule, even if the players continue.

Ya, I know. That was just my own personal whining moment that there was no whistle. I'm just upset that I wasted a shot of Fireball on a TD that wasn't.

What you, and everyone, observed, i.e. the delay in figuring out what happened, and the seeming lack of signs of a TO, is what caused most of these questions. As you already know.

The reason you have all these questions is a lack of football knowledge, pure and simple

Nope. Superior football knowledge. Understand the game. Observant. Read the rules. You know, all the things you don't do.

 

[UMAlum]

The cannon went off after the end of game TD (before the fake news TO). Therefore the Griz won!!! End of discussion.

 

[retiredpopo]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

 

[The.Real.2506]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

 

[grizfnz]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

 

[PlayerRep]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Whistles? Really? You clearly don't have a clue.

 

[catsack]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Whistles? Really? You clearly don't have a clue.

Certainly the griz coaches have a video angle that shows Choate calling timeout, ultimately Choate has to make a motion of some sort to call the timeout,he can’t tell the official to call a timeout for him right before the snap, he still has to call the timeout, certainly someone has video evidence of this!

 

[mtgrizrule]

Interesting, had a coach (not a GRIZ or Cat coach) tell me, technically a time out does not have to be granted by officials, if a coach waits so long to call a time out. It is the responsibility of a team (players or coaches) to request a timeout with time for officials to effectively communicate the request. Officials may chose to let the snap of the ball supercede the whistle, if coincidental or after the snap. However, to avoid a bigger mess, it is most common for officials to go ahead and still grant a late or ill timed timeout request.

If and when a game is ever lost because an incident like this, just know it is entirely a discretionary decision of the officials. As for this GRIZ/Cat game and the play in question, none of us, or very few of us, really know where the problem was. As late as the whistle was, it was either on the Cat staff, or the communicated to official waiting much too long to administer the time out appropriately.

 

[Fahque]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Telling the ref you are going to call a timeout and actually calling a timeout are two different things.

 

[The.Real.2506]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Telling the ref you are going to call a timeout and actually calling a timeout are two different things.

No shit Sherlock, But Choate obviously called the timeout in time, according to the line judge. Why is anybody questioning that.

 

[Fahque]

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Telling the ref you are going to call a timeout and actually calling a timeout are two different things.

No shit Sherlock, But Choate obviously called the timeout in time, according to the line judge. Why is anybody questioning that.

I know reading comprehension is hard but at least try. I didn’t question whether he did or not just stating that simply letting the ref know that you plan to call a time out does not constitute actually calling a timeout.

 

[grizfnz]

this reminds me if the elections in Florida. It will be argued forever and the winner will still be the winner no matter what arguments are made....The more I think about it the less I care about it.

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Whistles? Really? You clearly don't have a clue.

Hey Jack....do us a favor, turn up your hearing aids and shut the fu ck up.

 

[UMW best UM school]

There is no rule against a coach leaving the coaches box to call a timeout. There is a rule against them leaving that area to argue a call. As much as it hurts, the entirety of the situation was legal, calculated, and well executed by Choate. If Hauck had done the same, you would be praising him, and rightfully so.

You are missing the point. See below.

There appears to be no rule that allows a coach to call a TO when he is not in the coaching box or the player area, or "in the vicinity". I took this from the 2017 rule book.

"A head coach who is in, or in the vicinity of, his team area or coaching box may request a timeout between the time the ball is declared dead and the next snap."

That's the rule. Looks like a coach doesn't get to call a TO from anywhere he wants to be.

There is also no rule that allows a TO to be called after the snap. My guess is that Choate waited too long, and the ref panicked and gave him the call. That's why it was so late. Just a hunch.

No one is criticizing Choate. Criticizing the refs.

So, PR I fail to see your issue? Choate was standing in the coaches box on the approximately the 3 yard line when he called the time out; perfectly legal according to the rule book; and yes... the 2017 rule book.

The whistle can be heard as the ball was snapped, it's in the air between center and QB. Ref's can't blow a whistle simultaneously with a coach calling timeout; there is and will always be a delay. Coach signals time out.... ref verifies T/O within rules...blows whistle.

The ball was dead, even the left side of the Cat's defensive line doesn't engage as they heard the whistle.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Now that a week has passed, I have had the opportunity to visit with a number of bobcat fans mostly older fans. They are happy for the win but about half of them are disgusted with the way the bobcats won. Clearly this "victory " was decided on the sidelines and not on the playing field in their minds.

 

[fencer24]

I was at the railing in Sec. 104 and watched as Eastwood barrelled in for the winning touchdown. I never heard a whistle, but I doubt anyone could have as loud as it was.
The real disappointment is that it came down to that play to win a game that was clearly in hand before the turnovers. Much like voting, you have to win by enough that they can't steal enough to cheat and win. I am disappointed in Bobby running the same play three times in a row, as if he was trying to express his dominating will onto MSU. A play action fake then a flip to a tight end would have won the game.
But, we now have a whole lot of players who are coming back next year with that awful taste of losing one that they shouldn't have. Can you imagine what they are going to be capable of?
Looking forward to next year isn't as much fun as a playoff. But I have a feeling it will be better rewarded.

 

[lochlaven]

Jesus. We have the first and second rows on the five yard line. Choat called the time out. Last second - yes. Legal - yes. Acted like he was going to do it again on the last play- did not. Get over it. We have turned into to Browns of the Big Sky. Watching the Cats winning now. Hauck has come home to retire.

 

[PlayerRep]

There is no rule against a coach leaving the coaches box to call a timeout. There is a rule against them leaving that area to argue a call. As much as it hurts, the entirety of the situation was legal, calculated, and well executed by Choate. If Hauck had done the same, you would be praising him, and rightfully so.

You are missing the point. See below.

There appears to be no rule that allows a coach to call a TO when he is not in the coaching box or the player area, or "in the vicinity". I took this from the 2017 rule book.

"A head coach who is in, or in the vicinity of, his team area or coaching box may request a timeout between the time the ball is declared dead and the next snap."

That's the rule. Looks like a coach doesn't get to call a TO from anywhere he wants to be.

There is also no rule that allows a TO to be called after the snap. My guess is that Choate waited too long, and the ref panicked and gave him the call. That's why it was so late. Just a hunch.

No one is criticizing Choate. Criticizing the refs.

So, PR I fail to see your issue? Choate was standing in the coaches box on the approximately the 3 yard line when he called the time out; perfectly legal according to the rule book; and yes... the 2017 rule book.

The whistle can be heard as the ball was snapped, it's in the air between center and QB. Ref's can't blow a whistle simultaneously with a coach calling timeout; there is and will always be a delay. Coach signals time out.... ref verifies T/O within rules...blows whistle.

The ball was dead, even the left side of the Cat's defensive line doesn't engage as they heard the whistle.

Don’t think there’s a coaching box on the 3 yard line. It’s between the 25 yard lines. Why don’t you check the rule and get back to us? Feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[PlayerRep]

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Whistles? Really? You clearly don't have a clue.

Hey Jack....do us a favor, turn up your hearing aids and shut the fu ck up.

Don’t have or need hearing aids. Why dont you learn something about the game.

 

[PlayerRep]

Interesting, had a coach (not a GRIZ or Cat coach) tell me, technically a time out does not have to be granted by officials, if a coach waits so long to call a time out. It is the responsibility of a team (players or coaches) to request a timeout with time for officials to effectively communicate the request. Officials may chose to let the snap of the ball supercede the whistle, if coincidental or after the snap. However, to avoid a bigger mess, it is most common for officials to go ahead and still grant a late or ill timed timeout request.

If and when a game is ever lost because an incident like this, just know it is entirely a discretionary decision of the officials. As for this GRIZ/Cat game and the play in question, none of us, or very few of us, really know where the problem was. As late as the whistle was, it was either on the Cat staff, or the communicated to official waiting much too long to administer the time out appropriately.

Interesting. This probably fits with why the rule says the coach “requests” a TO.

 

[PlayerRep]

It warms my heart to know that fizz fans will be butthurt over this game for years to come.

Not me, watched the replay of the last minute. You could see choke mouth to the official “ I’m going to call time out”, whistles clearly blew before the snap.

Telling the ref you are going to call a timeout and actually calling a timeout are two different things.

No shit Sherlock, But Choate obviously called the timeout in time, according to the line judge. Why is anybody questioning that.

Are you saying that no ref has ever made a mistake?