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[grizzlyjournal]

Earlier I posted game highlights from SWXMontana that were not too popular here... SO, I guarantee these highlights are all-Griz, with most of the play-by-play by Montana announcer, Riley Corcoran. Go Griz.

[media]https://twitter.com/MontanaGrizBB/status/1092211633613688832[/media]

 

[EverettGriz]

Thanks GJ!!

 

[EverettGriz]

Anyone else think Hall is overrated? Even when he was lighting it up in the first half, never defends rebounds, or passes. He completely disappeared in the second half. On a lot of Cat possessions, he just went to the corner and loafed while Frey tried to start some offense. Give him his due, he’s a phenomenal shooter, but he’s never been on a winning team and he’s far from the complete package.

Yes. This. As great a pure shooter as he is, he’d struggle to see the floor if TDC were his coach.

 

[AZGrizFan]

"Tyler Hall, who scored 21 of his game-high 26 points in the first half, was contained primarily after halftime by Montana’s Bobby Moorhead. Hall, the Big Sky Conference’s all-time leading scorer, only took seven shots in the second half, and none in the final 4:17."

"The Grizzlies came in having held opponents below their season scoring average in 18 of 20 games."

https://missoulian.com/sports/college/big-sky-conference/montana-s-rivalry-win-over-montana-state-hinged-on-late/article_133922cb-b661-5c91-b2ba-fcad6d958835.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest

Who are you trying to convince?

I took 2 quotes out of the newspaper article.I wanted to show that I knew how to do that. What are you trying to ask or show?

You just seem to be trying to convince someone...anyone...that Moorhead belongs on the floor because of his D. No one is arguing that.

 

[PlayerRep]

"Tyler Hall, who scored 21 of his game-high 26 points in the first half, was contained primarily after halftime by Montana’s Bobby Moorhead. Hall, the Big Sky Conference’s all-time leading scorer, only took seven shots in the second half, and none in the final 4:17."

"The Grizzlies came in having held opponents below their season scoring average in 18 of 20 games."

https://missoulian.com/sports/college/big-sky-conference/montana-s-rivalry-win-over-montana-state-hinged-on-late/article_133922cb-b661-5c91-b2ba-fcad6d958835.html#tracking-source=home-the-latest

Who are you trying to convince?

I took 2 quotes out of the newspaper article.I wanted to show that I knew how to do that. What are you trying to ask or show?

You just seem to be trying to convince someone...anyone...that Moorhead belongs on the floor because of his D. No one is arguing that.

No, I don't believe Moorehead belongs on the court because of his D. I believe he belongs on the court for his overall play, tenacity, consistency and leadership. And, I like when he takes a 3. He will get back on track with 3's, I believe.

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

Anyone else think Hall is overrated? Even when he was lighting it up in the first half, never defends rebounds, or passes. He completely disappeared in the second half. On a lot of Cat possessions, he just went to the corner and loafed while Frey tried to start some offense. Give him his due, he’s a phenomenal shooter, but he’s never been on a winning team and he’s far from the complete package.

Yes. This. As great a pure shooter as he is, he’d struggle to see the floor if TDC were his coach.

Agree with all the above. Dude can hit from anywhere, and does so consistently, but is a complete non-factor on the defensive end. If he'd wound up at Montana, I believe that TDC would've pushed him to improve his all-around game, and he would've had real potential to play at the next level.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Hall is a great shooter, but I wouldn't trade Oguine or Rorie for him.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Who are you trying to convince?

I took 2 quotes out of the newspaper article.I wanted to show that I knew how to do that. What are you trying to ask or show?

You just seem to be trying to convince someone...anyone...that Moorhead belongs on the floor because of his D. No one is arguing that.

No, I don't believe Moorehead belongs on the court because of his D. I believe he belongs on the court for his overall play, tenacity, consistency and leadership. And, I like when he takes a 3. He will get back on track with 3's, I believe.

After 2 1/2 seasons being a 28% 3 point shooter, what is it that makes you think he'll suddenly "get back on track"? He is what he is at this point...and he should let literally anybody else on the floor except Akoh take the threes before him.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

It's easy to forget that Moorehead made the three that kept us from losing in the conference tournament last year.

Also, Montana shoots 36.4% from beyond the arc as a team, which is 75th in the country. And who is #74, at 36.5%. The Cats! :lol: :lol: :lol:

(Number two in the nation is none other than South Dakota State.)

 

[Walkon79]

I took 2 quotes out of the newspaper article.I wanted to show that I knew how to do that. What are you trying to ask or show?

You just seem to be trying to convince someone...anyone...that Moorhead belongs on the floor because of his D. No one is arguing that.

No, I don't believe Moorehead belongs on the court because of his D. I believe he belongs on the court for his overall play, tenacity, consistency and leadership. And, I like when he takes a 3. He will get back on track with 3's, I believe.

After 2 1/2 seasons being a 28% 3 point shooter, what is it that makes you think he'll suddenly "get back on track"? He is what he is at this point...and he should let literally anybody else on the floor except Akoh take the threes before him.

He took one too!

 

[EverettGriz]

You just seem to be trying to convince someone...anyone...that Moorhead belongs on the floor because of his D. No one is arguing that.

No, I don't believe Moorehead belongs on the court because of his D. I believe he belongs on the court for his overall play, tenacity, consistency and leadership. And, I like when he takes a 3. He will get back on track with 3's, I believe.

After 2 1/2 seasons being a 28% 3 point shooter, what is it that makes you think he'll suddenly "get back on track"? He is what he is at this point...and he should let literally anybody else on the floor except Akoh take the threes before him.

He took one too!

I don't think it was a 3, but it WAS a terrible shot selection.

 

[Walkon79]

No, I don't believe Moorehead belongs on the court because of his D. I believe he belongs on the court for his overall play, tenacity, consistency and leadership. And, I like when he takes a 3. He will get back on track with 3's, I believe.

After 2 1/2 seasons being a 28% 3 point shooter, what is it that makes you think he'll suddenly "get back on track"? He is what he is at this point...and he should let literally anybody else on the floor except Akoh take the threes before him.

He took one too!

I don't think it was a 3, but it WAS a terrible shot selection.

Yeah it was actually a long two, but ugly nonetheless uke:

 

[PlayerRep]

I took 2 quotes out of the newspaper article.I wanted to show that I knew how to do that. What are you trying to ask or show?

You just seem to be trying to convince someone...anyone...that Moorhead belongs on the floor because of his D. No one is arguing that.

No, I don't believe Moorehead belongs on the court because of his D. I believe he belongs on the court for his overall play, tenacity, consistency and leadership. And, I like when he takes a 3. He will get back on track with 3's, I believe.

After 2 1/2 seasons being a 28% 3 point shooter, what is it that makes you think he'll suddenly "get back on track"? He is what he is at this point...and he should let literally anybody else on the floor except Akoh take the threes before him.

Instinct and inside information. How's your inside information on this one? Is the info finding its way to Texas.

Also, since the first 4 games, he's shot 33.3%. Same for the last 5 games. In conference, Manuel has shot 35%. Are you calling for Manuel to stop shooting 3's? Falls is shooting 28.6% for the season and for conference. Are you calling for him to stop shooting 3's too?

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

You just seem to be trying to convince someone...anyone...that Moorhead belongs on the floor because of his D. No one is arguing that.

No, I don't believe Moorehead belongs on the court because of his D. I believe he belongs on the court for his overall play, tenacity, consistency and leadership. And, I like when he takes a 3. He will get back on track with 3's, I believe.

After 2 1/2 seasons being a 28% 3 point shooter, what is it that makes you think he'll suddenly "get back on track"? He is what he is at this point...and he should let literally anybody else on the floor except Akoh take the threes before him.

Instinct and inside information. How's your inside information on this one? Is the info finding its way to Texas.

Also, since the first 4 games, he's shot 33.3%. Same for the last 5 games. In conference, Manuel has shot 35%. Are you calling for Manuel to stop shooting 3's? Falls is shooting 28.6% for the season and for conference. Are you calling for him to stop shooting 3's too?

I tend to agree with PR on this one. Watching multiple games in person and online - I don't think I've ever seen someone not consistently get the shooters bounce. I would bet this year alone he's had at least 10-15 of his 3's get half-way done and then rattle out.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Instinct and inside information. How's your inside information on this one? Is the info finding its way to Texas.

Also, since the first 4 games, he's shot 33.3%. Same for the last 5 games. In conference, Manuel has shot 35%. Are you calling for Manuel to stop shooting 3's? Falls is shooting 28.6% for the season and for conference. Are you calling for him to stop shooting 3's too?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Instinct. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't need inside info to see he's just not a very good 3-point shooter. Bad bounces, bad luck, whatever it is the shot just doesn't fall for him. His freshman year was the anomaly. THAT is what the stats back up. cherry picking games to say he's somehow better than he is is just classic PR.

And yes, Falls should stop shooting them too (in fact, he pretty much has, with just 7 attempts over the last 7 games)

Bobby's #'s:
0-6
0-3
0-3
1-2
0-1
3-7
1-5
3-6
0-4
2-5
3-7
1-3
0-0
1-4
1-3
0-2
0-1
3-6
0-1
1-6
1-15 his first 5 games and 9-30 his last 9 games (30%). 6 of his last 23 (26%). 4 of his last 16 (25). He's getting worse.

Manuel is 13/37 his past 7 games. and 40% overall. He also makes 83% of his FTs to Moorhead's 57%.

 

[Bear Axed]

:shock:

Instinct and inside information. How's your inside information on this one? Is the info finding its way to Texas.

Also, since the first 4 games, he's shot 33.3%. Same for the last 5 games. In conference, Manuel has shot 35%. Are you calling for Manuel to stop shooting 3's? Falls is shooting 28.6% for the season and for conference. Are you calling for him to stop shooting 3's too?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Instinct. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't need inside info to see he's just not a very good 3-point shooter. Bad bounces, bad luck, whatever it is the shot just doesn't fall for him. His freshman year was the anomaly. THAT is what the stats back up. cherry picking games to say he's somehow better than he is is just classic PR.

And yes, Falls should stop shooting them too (in fact, he pretty much has, with just 7 attempts over the last 7 games)

Bobby's #'s:
0-6
0-3
0-3
1-2
0-1
3-7
1-5
3-6
0-4
2-5
3-7
1-3
0-0
1-4
1-3
0-2
0-1
3-6
0-1
1-6
1-15 his first 5 games and 9-30 his last 9 games (30%). 6 of his last 23 (26%). 4 of his last 16 (25). He's getting worse.

Manuel is 13/37 his past 7 games. and 40% overall. He also makes 83% of his FTs to Moorhead's 57%.

:shock:

 

[PlayerRep]

Instinct and inside information. How's your inside information on this one? Is the info finding its way to Texas.

Also, since the first 4 games, he's shot 33.3%. Same for the last 5 games. In conference, Manuel has shot 35%. Are you calling for Manuel to stop shooting 3's? Falls is shooting 28.6% for the season and for conference. Are you calling for him to stop shooting 3's too?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Instinct. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't need inside info to see he's just not a very good 3-point shooter. Bad bounces, bad luck, whatever it is the shot just doesn't fall for him. His freshman year was the anomaly. THAT is what the stats back up. cherry picking games to say he's somehow better than he is is just classic PR.

And yes, Falls should stop shooting them too (in fact, he pretty much has, with just 7 attempts over the last 7 games)

Bobby's #'s:
0-6
0-3
0-3
1-2
0-1
3-7
1-5
3-6
0-4
2-5
3-7
1-3
0-0
1-4
1-3
0-2
0-1
3-6
0-1
1-6
1-15 his first 5 games and 9-30 his last 9 games (30%). 6 of his last 23 (26%). 4 of his last 16 (25). He's getting worse.

Manuel is 13/37 his past 7 games. and 40% overall. He also makes 83% of his FTs to Moorhead's 57%.

13/37 for Manuel is 35.1%. Moorehead is 33.3% in recent games. So you think that 1.8% is a big deal. That's someone between 0 and 1 more make in 37 shots.

 

[EverettGriz]

I love Bobby, and we're better with him on the floor.

That said, I'll admit when he hoists a 3, I immediately begin scanning the floor to see what kind of rebound position we're in.

 

[br fan]

Instinct and inside information. How's your inside information on this one? Is the info finding its way to Texas.

Also, since the first 4 games, he's shot 33.3%. Same for the last 5 games. In conference, Manuel has shot 35%. Are you calling for Manuel to stop shooting 3's? Falls is shooting 28.6% for the season and for conference. Are you calling for him to stop shooting 3's too?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Instinct. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't need inside info to see he's just not a very good 3-point shooter. Bad bounces, bad luck, whatever it is the shot just doesn't fall for him. His freshman year was the anomaly. THAT is what the stats back up. cherry picking games to say he's somehow better than he is is just classic PR.

And yes, Falls should stop shooting them too (in fact, he pretty much has, with just 7 attempts over the last 7 games)

Bobby's #'s:
0-6
0-3
0-3
1-2
0-1
3-7
1-5
3-6
0-4
2-5
3-7
1-3
0-0
1-4
1-3
0-2
0-1
3-6
0-1
1-6
1-15 his first 5 games and 9-30 his last 9 games (30%). 6 of his last 23 (26%). 4 of his last 16 (25). He's getting worse.

Manuel is 13/37 his past 7 games. and 40% overall. He also makes 83% of his FTs to Moorhead's 57%.

33% from three is the same statistically as 50% from 2. 33% is not great for a 3-point specialist like Manuel, who is getting his minutes because of his offense, but it's not bad for a defensive specialist like Bobby. Last year the only player with more 3 point attempts than Bobby was Rorie, and last year Rorie shot 34% for the year while Bobby shot 35%. Opposing teams have to respect Bobby's shot, which prevents them from doubling down on the post. Unless he's hot in a game I don't think he should be shooting any more than he currently does, but he shouldn't be shooting less.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Instinct and inside information. How's your inside information on this one? Is the info finding its way to Texas.

Also, since the first 4 games, he's shot 33.3%. Same for the last 5 games. In conference, Manuel has shot 35%. Are you calling for Manuel to stop shooting 3's? Falls is shooting 28.6% for the season and for conference. Are you calling for him to stop shooting 3's too?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Instinct. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't need inside info to see he's just not a very good 3-point shooter. Bad bounces, bad luck, whatever it is the shot just doesn't fall for him. His freshman year was the anomaly. THAT is what the stats back up. cherry picking games to say he's somehow better than he is is just classic PR.

And yes, Falls should stop shooting them too (in fact, he pretty much has, with just 7 attempts over the last 7 games)

Bobby's #'s:
0-6
0-3
0-3
1-2
0-1
3-7
1-5
3-6
0-4
2-5
3-7
1-3
0-0
1-4
1-3
0-2
0-1
3-6
0-1
1-6
1-15 his first 5 games and 9-30 his last 9 games (30%). 6 of his last 23 (26%). 4 of his last 16 (25). He's getting worse.

Manuel is 13/37 his past 7 games. and 40% overall. He also makes 83% of his FTs to Moorhead's 57%.

13/37 for Manuel is 35.1%. Moorehead is 33.3% in recent games. So you think that 1.8% is a big deal. That's someone between 0 and 1 more make in 37 shots.

Jesus, PR the numbers are right there in front of your face. Manuel is 13/37 his last 7 games--35.1%. Moorehead is 6/23--26%.