Updates on Sac Arena Search, Tournament Situation

[SDHornet]

The WELL will show up very nicely for the conference if SAC hosts, and it will be FULL.

Really? I could see a couple thousand coming to a sac game. But what if they're out? I'd guess attendance at under 600, and most of those would be the traveling squads of the teams remaining.

Again, what a colossal cluster f-ck (although I think the BSC brass will get bailed out when UM wins the conference. That said, they should still be embarrassed)

I'm not going to pretend like Hornet fans care about the BSC, we don't and nor should we. If we host (we control our own destiny at this point and have 3 tough road games at PSU, SUU and NAU) I know I will only care about the games we are in, and will only buy tickets to the other games as required/necessary to buy games the Hornets are in. I will not attend the other games not featuring the Hornets and I couldn't care less how that makes the BSCT look on TV/webcast/etc. I couldn't care less about the concern by BSC brass, other BSC fans and programs about how this looks. Why? Because the BSC is a one bid league and it really makes no difference.

That said almost all of the other BSC members are probably in that same boat as I described above and if anything this is an argument for a neutral site location. My whole sentiment above changes if I have prearranged travel plans well in advance and have nothing else to do other than watch BSC games in the city I am visiting.

BTW great 4 team finish for the regular season crown. I don't think I have seen anything like this before.

 

[grizindabox]

The WELL will show up very nicely for the conference if SAC hosts, and it will be FULL.

Really? I could see a couple thousand coming to a sac game. But what if they're out? I'd guess attendance at under 600, and most of those would be the traveling squads of the teams remaining.

Again, what a colossal cluster f-ck (although I think the BSC brass will get bailed out when UM wins the conference. That said, they should still be embarrassed)

Don't think that will happen...still struggle to see UM winning at EWU and hence lose all tie-breakers with both EWU and Sac

 

[EverettGriz]

The WELL will show up very nicely for the conference if SAC hosts, and it will be FULL.

Really? I could see a couple thousand coming to a sac game. But what if they're out? I'd guess attendance at under 600, and most of those would be the traveling squads of the teams remaining.

Again, what a colossal cluster f-ck (although I think the BSC brass will get bailed out when UM wins the conference. That said, they should still be embarrassed)

I'm not going to pretend like Hornet fans care about the BSC, we don't and nor should we. If we host (we control our own destiny at this point and have 3 tough road games at PSU, SUU and NAU) I know I will only care about the games we are in, and will only buy tickets to the other games as required/necessary to buy games the Hornets are in. I will not attend the other games not featuring the Hornets and I couldn't care less how that makes the BSCT look on TV/webcast/etc. I couldn't care less about the concern by BSC brass, other BSC fans and programs about how this looks. Why? Because the BSC is a one bid league and it really makes no difference.

That said almost all of the other BSC members are probably in that same boat as I described above and if anything this is an argument for a neutral site location. My whole sentiment above changes if I have prearranged travel plans well in advance and have nothing else to do other than watch BSC games in the city I am visiting.

BTW great 4 team finish for the regular season crown. I don't think I have seen anything like this before.

Your entire post can be summed up with my regular rally cry:

Why the EFF is MONTANA in this conference??

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The WELL will show up very nicely for the conference if SAC hosts, and it will be FULL.

Really? I could see a couple thousand coming to a sac game. But what if they're out? I'd guess attendance at under 600, and most of those would be the traveling squads of the teams remaining.

Again, what a colossal cluster f-ck (although I think the BSC brass will get bailed out when UM wins the conference. That said, they should still be embarrassed)

I'm not going to pretend like Hornet fans care about the BSC, we don't and nor should we. If we host (we control our own destiny at this point and have 3 tough road games at PSU, SUU and NAU) I know I will only care about the games we are in, and will only buy tickets to the other games as required/necessary to buy games the Hornets are in. I will not attend the other games not featuring the Hornets and I couldn't care less how that makes the BSCT look on TV/webcast/etc. I couldn't care less about the concern by BSC brass, other BSC fans and programs about how this looks. Why? Because the BSC is a one bid league and it really makes no difference.

That said almost all of the other BSC members are probably in that same boat as I described above and if anything this is an argument for a neutral site location. My whole sentiment above changes if I have prearranged travel plans well in advance and have nothing else to do other than watch BSC games in the city I am visiting.

BTW great 4 team finish for the regular season crown. I don't think I have seen anything like this before.

Your entire post can be summed up with my regular rally cry:

Why the EFF is MONTANA in this conference??

Has anyone ever talked about trying to join the Big West for basketball (and maybe other sports besides FB)? If UM wants to take its basketball program to the next level, I don't think it's possible in the BSC.

The Big West is close geographically, miles ahead of the BSC in RPI, has two BSC FB teams in it already, and only has 9 members. I'm assuming the reason why we don't play in the Big West is because they won't accept us, because there is no other excuse.

 

[Kadeezy]

The Big West will never add Montana for Olympic sports. It would make much more sense to add SAC (word is that the only thing holding that back is the arena).

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The Big West will never add Montana for Olympic sports. It would make much more sense to add SAC (word is that the only thing holding that back is the arena).

Just that minor thing, eh? Ha!

 

[EverettGriz]

The Big West will never add Montana for Olympic sports. It would make much more sense to add SAC (word is that the only thing holding that back is the arena).

And history. And success. And attendance. And relevance.

But Wanless sure keeps preaching it.

And frankly I think the only reason we're not openly being courted is because we don't host the requisite number of sports. Yet.

 

[first11]

BSC announces If sad Sac wins out they play in a newly configured rec arena. Hmmm....why didn't they play their whole season there if it is such a great option.

 

[SDHornet]

Your entire post can be summed up with my regular rally cry:

Why the EFF is MONTANA in this conference??

Because no one wants Montana, therefore there is no where else to go...well I guess the WAC could always use another member so there is that option.

 

[SDHornet]

The Big West will never add Montana for Olympic sports. It would make much more sense to add SAC (word is that the only thing holding that back is the arena).

This. The BWC is afraid of flying. They only took Hawaii because they offered travel subsidies.

 

[SDHornet]

BSC announces If sad Sac wins out they play in a newly configured rec arena. Hmmm....why didn't they play their whole season there if it is such a great option.

Because the rec center is just that, a rec center. Not an events center. It's a nice fall back to have in a situation like this, but per the student referendum passed in 2004 the fee is specific for a rec and wellness center...

...also included in that 2004 referendum was a student approved fee for an events center which the out going president never got built. This whole fiasco is 100% on him.

 

[SDHornet]

The Big West will never add Montana for Olympic sports. It would make much more sense to add SAC (word is that the only thing holding that back is the arena).

And history. And success. And attendance. And relevance.

But Wanless sure keeps preaching it.

And frankly I think the only reason we're not openly being courted is because we don't host the requisite number of sports. Yet.

Yup, just add men's soccer, and baseball (core BW sports) and the Title IX matching women's scholarships...then offer travel subsidies and maybe, just maybe the BW might consider adding Montana for a few seconds before passing you guys over for someone that could be reached by bus within a days drive.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

BSC announces If sad Sac wins out they play in a newly configured rec arena. Hmmm....why didn't they play their whole season there if it is such a great option.

Because the rec center is just that, a rec center. Not an events center.

Then why have events there? Not trying to be a jerk, but this whole thing seems very, very DIII. If you win and don't have the facilities, just work a deal to let the second place team host. Lord knows SAC doesn't have much of a home court advantage, so why make the entire conference look bad?

 

[EverettGriz]

What an absolute cluster fu(k. Anyone associated with sac state -- President, Wanless, coaches, students, alumni -- should be so damn embarrassed. Anyone in the BSC offices should be both embarrassed and fired. Anyone with the means (e.g. MONTANA) should get the fuck out of this 9th rate conference faster than you can say "directional school".

 

[Green Laser]

BSC announces If sad Sac wins out they play in a newly configured rec arena. Hmmm....why didn't they play their whole season there if it is such a great option.

Because the rec center is just that, a rec center. Not an events center.

Then why have events there? Not trying to be a jerk, but this whole thing seems very, very DIII. If you win and don't have the facilities, just work a deal to let the second place team host. Lord knows SAC doesn't have much of a home court advantage, so why make the entire conference look bad?

Sac doesn't have much of a home court advantage? The Hornets were 13-1 at the Nest this year and a perfect 9-0 in the Big Sky. I don't know about the Lord but I would pretty much call that a home court advantage! The Nest may be small but it can be very loud and intimidating to opponents when it's full. The Well is only about 5 years old, knowing the space their talking about, with 3,000 seats it could be deafening to opponents!

 

[SDHornet]

BSC announces If sad Sac wins out they play in a newly configured rec arena. Hmmm....why didn't they play their whole season there if it is such a great option.

Because the rec center is just that, a rec center. Not an events center.

Then why have events there? Not trying to be a jerk, but this whole thing seems very, very DIII. If you win and don't have the facilities, just work a deal to let the second place team host. Lord knows SAC doesn't have much of a home court advantage, so why make the entire conference look bad?

Sac doesn't have much of a home court advantage? The Hornets were 13-1 at the Nest this year and a perfect 9-0 in the Big Sky. I don't know about the Lord but I would pretty much call that a home court advantage! The Nest may be small but it can be very loud and intimidating to opponents when it's full. The Well is only about 5 years old, knowing the space their talking about, with 3,000 seats it could be deafening to opponents!

No kidding. Running the table in BSC play this season (34-8 at home going back to the start of the 12-13 season) and Sac doesn’t have home court advantage? :? :lol:
Excellent display of egriz logic right there.

 

[SDHornet]

What an absolute cluster fu(k. Anyone associated with sac state -- President, Wanless, coaches, students, alumni -- should be so damn embarrassed. Anyone in the BSC offices should be both embarrassed and fired. Anyone with the means (e.g. MONTANA) should get the f*** out of this 9th rate conference faster than you can say "directional school".

The only person who should be embarrassed is Gonzo. Students did their part, Gonzo didn’t do his. And calm down about leaving the BSC. Montana ain’t going anywhere as you are right where you belong so cozy up in your recliner, kick back a few brews and enjoy the ride. :thumb:

 

[ISUguy]

As much as I hate to admit it, my guess is we'll be watching both Big Sky tournaments in Missoula this year.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

BSC announces If sad Sac wins out they play in a newly configured rec arena. Hmmm....why didn't they play their whole season there if it is such a great option.

Because the rec center is just that, a rec center. Not an events center.

Then why have events there? Not trying to be a jerk, but this whole thing seems very, very DIII. If you win and don't have the facilities, just work a deal to let the second place team host. Lord knows SAC doesn't have much of a home court advantage, so why make the entire conference look bad?

Sac doesn't have much of a home court advantage? The Hornets were 13-1 at the Nest this year and a perfect 9-0 in the Big Sky. I don't know about the Lord but I would pretty much call that a home court advantage! The Nest may be small but it can be very loud and intimidating to opponents when it's full. The Well is only about 5 years old, knowing the space their talking about, with 3,000 seats it could be deafening to opponents!

Winning games at home does not mean you have a home court advantage. If you are smart enough to separate the two, you will note that many teams with shitty home attendance (like Sac State) win a lot of home games. This does not mean that the crowd and atmosphere (home court advantage) played a role. In Sac's case, there is not much of a home court advantage because the shitty attendance and HS atmosphere does not add much over a neutral site.

Home court advantage can enhance a home record, but a home record does not necessarily imply a home court advantage.

I'm honestly a bit concerned that I have to walk you through this, but I hope it helps.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Because the rec center is just that, a rec center. Not an events center.

Then why have events there? Not trying to be a jerk, but this whole thing seems very, very DIII. If you win and don't have the facilities, just work a deal to let the second place team host. Lord knows SAC doesn't have much of a home court advantage, so why make the entire conference look bad?

Sac doesn't have much of a home court advantage? The Hornets were 13-1 at the Nest this year and a perfect 9-0 in the Big Sky. I don't know about the Lord but I would pretty much call that a home court advantage! The Nest may be small but it can be very loud and intimidating to opponents when it's full. The Well is only about 5 years old, knowing the space their talking about, with 3,000 seats it could be deafening to opponents!

No kidding. Running the table in BSC play this season (34-8 at home going back to the start of the 12-13 season) and Sac doesn’t have home court advantage? :? :lol:
Excellent display of egriz logic right there.

Regarding logic, please see my previous post. Assuming that a good home record implies the existence of a home court advantage is actually a logical flaw.

I saw you guys in Spokane this season. I think your players learned what a home court advantage is. Ask them if your arena compares.