Updates on Sac Arena Search, Tournament Situation

[GrizLA]

Of course playing on the floor you usually play on, in front of your loyal fans, in an environment you are familiar with is a very distinct advantage especially if you are a half decent team. But, we can thank the genius Conference officials who dreamed up this schedule where Montana had to play Sacto there but not Missoula...The Griz lost that game because they could not shoot free throws and the noise level was damn high from what I have heard. It affected them? Maybe, but the last great shot decided it...Good for Sacto for winning more than they ever have. But, the real fault lies with the Big Sky officials...Football scheduling is equally atrocious...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Of course playing on the floor you usually play on, in front of your loyal fans, in an environment you are familiar with is a very distinct advantage especially if you are a half decent team.

That's the default home court advantage that everybody gets. Saying that Sac has a substantial home court advantage above and beyond the default based on their W-L record at home is misguided (I know you're not the one saying that, and I agree with you about the shit show BSC scheduling).

 

['68griz]

As much as I hate to admit it, my guess is we'll be watching both Big Sky tournaments in Missoula this year.

Ojala que si!!!!

 

[citygriz]

absolutely demeaning, not only that we're in this situation with sac state as a potential host, but that the conference hadn't anticipated such a problem. to anybody living outside the conference's geographical area, the big sky consists of two seasons: pre-season, when you might catch game on real tv, and post-season, when you might catch a game on real tv. everything in between is this message board.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

absolutely demeaning, not only that we're in this situation with sac state as a potential host, but that the conference hadn't anticipated such a problem. to anybody living outside the conference's geographical area, the big sky consists of two seasons: pre-season, when you might catch game on real tv, and post-season, when you might catch a game on real tv. everything in between is this message board.

Good post. Also, Sac not getting its shit together, when it had fair warning from the get go that it could never host a conference championship in its current facility, is alarming. I wonder if they figured, "Hey, we have only three winning seasons in 38 years, and none at the DI level, we will never host."

 

[Grizbeer]

I really don't care where they hold the men' tournament as long is the graphics don't list UM as MU or MSU, or Grizz. I know UM has only been in this conference for a short period of time but you would hope they could get the name right.

If the tournament is held is Sac and they call UM MU, MSU, or Grizz then I hope the well is insured and CDA is in the vicinity.

 

[Grizbeer]

absolutely demeaning, not only that we're in this situation with sac state as a potential host, but that the conference hadn't anticipated such a problem. to anybody living outside the conference's geographical area, the big sky consists of two seasons: pre-season, when you might catch game on real tv, and post-season, when you might catch a game on real tv. everything in between is this message board.

Good post. Also, Sac not getting its shit together, when it had fair warning from the get go that it could never host a conference championship in its current facility, is alarming. I wonder if they figured, "Hey, we have only three winning seasons in 38 years, and none at the DI level, we will never host."

You think Arco Arena checks in with Sac State to see if they need to hold a weekend open in mid March instead of a circus or monster truck show, just for giggles?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

absolutely demeaning, not only that we're in this situation with sac state as a potential host, but that the conference hadn't anticipated such a problem. to anybody living outside the conference's geographical area, the big sky consists of two seasons: pre-season, when you might catch game on real tv, and post-season, when you might catch a game on real tv. everything in between is this message board.

Good post. Also, Sac not getting its shit together, when it had fair warning from the get go that it could never host a conference championship in its current facility, is alarming. I wonder if they figured, "Hey, we have only three winning seasons in 38 years, and none at the DI level, we will never host."

You think Arco Arena checks in with Sac State to see if they need to hold a weekend open in mid March instead of a circus or monster truck show, just for giggles?

Doubt it. The circus or monster truck show would significantly out-earn the BSC tournament in that area.

 

[EverettGriz]

GB, two great posts! :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I really don't care where they hold the men' tournament as long is the graphics don't list UM as MU or MSU, or Grizz. I know UM has only been in this conference for a short period of time but you would hope they could get the name right.

If the tournament is held is Sac and they call UM MU, MSU, or Grizz then I hope the well is insured and CDA is in the vicinity.

Insurance? Ha!

 

[SDHornet]

I saw something saying SAC is above .500 for the first time in forever this year. So the arena magically became a place that gives a home court advantage out of the blue, or Sac just happens to be good this year? Hmm . . .

I posted the home record for Sac over the past few seasons earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back and read it again. Still wondering what metrics (clearly none are mathematically based) you use to determine what home court advantage really is. The numbers clearly show the Hornets have an edge at home.

 

[EverettGriz]

I saw something saying SAC is above .500 for the first time in forever this year. So the arena magically became a place that gives a home court advantage out of the blue, or Sac just happens to be good this year? Hmm . . .

I posted the home record for Sac over the past few seasons earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back and read it again. Still wondering what metrics (clearly none are mathematically based) you use to determine what home court advantage really is. The numbers clearly show the Hornets have an edge at home.

I'll ask again: Why the hell does it matter when the cannot even play the damn tournament games there?? They could have the home record the Globtrotters do against the Nationals and it wouldn't make a lick o' difference because they can't play a game there.

 

[SDHornet]

absolutely demeaning, not only that we're in this situation with sac state as a potential host, but that the conference hadn't anticipated such a problem. to anybody living outside the conference's geographical area, the big sky consists of two seasons: pre-season, when you might catch game on real tv, and post-season, when you might catch a game on real tv. everything in between is this message board.

Good post. Also, Sac not getting its shit together, when it had fair warning from the get go that it could never host a conference championship in its current facility, is alarming. I wonder if they figured, "Hey, we have only three winning seasons in 38 years, and none at the DI level, we will never host."

You think Arco Arena checks in with Sac State to see if they need to hold a weekend open in mid March instead of a circus or monster truck show, just for giggles?

Doubt it. The circus or monster truck show would significantly out-earn the BSC tournament in that area.

The thing about living near civilization is that there are lots of things to do, particularly when it comes to entertainment dollars. A bottom tier D1 one bid conference isn't going to draw when it's competing against 2 NBA franchises, an NHL franchise and a laundry list of other D1 programs in power conferences that are all within a few hours drive. It is what it is.

 

[SDHornet]

I saw something saying SAC is above .500 for the first time in forever this year. So the arena magically became a place that gives a home court advantage out of the blue, or Sac just happens to be good this year? Hmm . . .

I posted the home record for Sac over the past few seasons earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back and read it again. Still wondering what metrics (clearly none are mathematically based) you use to determine what home court advantage really is. The numbers clearly show the Hornets have an edge at home.

I'll ask again: Why the hell does it matter when the cannot even play the damn tournament games there?? They could have the home record the Globtrotters do against the Nationals and it wouldn't make a lick o' difference because they can't play a game there.

It matters because if we host our players won't be jockeying between planes at an airport. They will be sleeping in their own beds the night before game(s) and will pretty much be in their normal home regiment. Meanwhile the Well will offer almost triple the capacity which should be filled for the games featuring the Hornets. So why would a rambunctious and energetic atmosphere seen in regular season games not carry over into the BSCT Hornet games?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I saw something saying SAC is above .500 for the first time in forever this year. So the arena magically became a place that gives a home court advantage out of the blue, or Sac just happens to be good this year? Hmm . . .

I posted the home record for Sac over the past few seasons earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back and read it again. Still wondering what metrics (clearly none are mathematically based) you use to determine what home court advantage really is. The numbers clearly show the Hornets have an edge at home.

Oh, I read it. I'm not arguing that they don't have a statistical edge at home like every other college basketball team, or that they haven't capitalized on it lately. I'm saying that the home W-L record does not necessarily mean that they have much of a home court advantage above the statistical edge that any home team has. I'll try (again) to explain:

Team A is good. They play in a HS gym that isn't very intimidating or rowdy. Let's say that playing at home gives them a statistical 5 point edge. Because they are good, their home record will be good, but their neutral site and road record will be pretty good too, because they are good.

Team B is mediocre. They play in a 14,000 seat arena with a rabid fan base. Let's say that atmosphere causes several more opponent's turnovers a game, miscommunication, momentum swings, missed FTs etc. and therefore gives them a statistical 10 point edge at home. Their home record might not be as good as Team A's, because Team B is mediocre. Sure, the 10 point edge will make them win some games they shouldn't win. But even with the 10 point edge, they will drop games at home because they aren't very good. At neutral sites, they will see even more of a drop off.

Which home court do you think gives its team more of an advantage?

 

[SDHornet]

Problem is team B lost at team A's place despite allegedly being more prepared to play in front of a rowdy and loud crowd. Team A will have a larger crowd behind them if they host, so it wouldn't be a neutral location setting.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Problem is team B lost at team A's place despite allegedly being more prepared to play in front of a rowdy and loud crowd. Team A will have a larger crowd behind them if they host, so it wouldn't be a neutral location setting.

Ah, but you are forgetting something very important: Team A is good, Team B is not.

BTW, Team B is not a metaphor for UM, which also doesn't have much of a home court advantage.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Good post. Also, Sac not getting its shit together, when it had fair warning from the get go that it could never host a conference championship in its current facility, is alarming. I wonder if they figured, "Hey, we have only three winning seasons in 38 years, and none at the DI level, we will never host."

You think Arco Arena checks in with Sac State to see if they need to hold a weekend open in mid March instead of a circus or monster truck show, just for giggles?

Doubt it. The circus or monster truck show would significantly out-earn the BSC tournament in that area.

The thing about living near civilization is that there are lots of things to do, particularly when it comes to entertainment dollars. A bottom tier D1 one bid conference isn't going to draw when it's competing against 2 NBA franchises, an NHL franchise and a laundry list of other D1 programs in power conferences that are all within a few hours drive. It is what it is.

You clearly have no idea where I live. :lol:

 

[SDHornet]

You clearly have no idea where I live. :lol:

Nope. :thumb:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I saw something saying SAC is above .500 for the first time in forever this year. So the arena magically became a place that gives a home court advantage out of the blue, or Sac just happens to be good this year? Hmm . . .

I posted the home record for Sac over the past few seasons earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back and read it again. Still wondering what metrics (clearly none are mathematically based) you use to determine what home court advantage really is. The numbers clearly show the Hornets have an edge at home.

I'll ask again: Why the hell does it matter when the cannot even play the damn tournament games there?? They could have the home record the Globtrotters do against the Nationals and it wouldn't make a lick o' difference because they can't play a game there.

Haha! It definitely doesn't matter. It's just that nobody will ever convince me that 1,000 people in a volleyball gym confers a significant home court advantage unless there are dead spots in the floor or one hoop is 9.5 feet or something.