Updates on Sac Arena Search, Tournament Situation

[CDAGRIZ]

You clearly have no idea where I live. :lol:

Nope. :thumb:

I get your point, though.

 

[EverettGriz]

I saw something saying SAC is above .500 for the first time in forever this year. So the arena magically became a place that gives a home court advantage out of the blue, or Sac just happens to be good this year? Hmm . . .

I posted the home record for Sac over the past few seasons earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back and read it again. Still wondering what metrics (clearly none are mathematically based) you use to determine what home court advantage really is. The numbers clearly show the Hornets have an edge at home.

I'll ask again: Why the hell does it matter when the cannot even play the damn tournament games there?? They could have the home record the Globtrotters do against the Nationals and it wouldn't make a lick o' difference because they can't play a game there.

It matters because if we host our players won't be jockeying between planes at an airport. They will be sleeping in their own beds the night before game(s) and will pretty much be in their normal home regiment. Meanwhile the Well will offer almost triple the capacity which should be filled for the games featuring the Hornets. So why would a rambunctious and energetic atmosphere seen in regular season games not carry over into the BSCT Hornet games?

No, I get why Sac wants to win the regular season and stay at home. That's obvious.

What I don't get is why a percieved home court advantage in the Nest is germane to the conversation since during the BSC tournament, it'll be locked tighter than CDA's wallet when the bar tab arrives.

 

[SDHornet]

Haha! It definitely doesn't matter. It's just that nobody will ever convince me that 1,000 people in a volleyball gym confers a significant home court advantage unless there are dead spots in the floor or one hoop is 9.5 feet or something.

You're going in circles. I get your point that a larger capacity venue should have "more" of a home court advantage. Problem with discrediting the smaller venue (specifically for this case) is the results prove it to also be a tough place to play therefore providing a significant home court advantage.

 

[GrizLA]

Haha! It definitely doesn't matter. It's just that nobody will ever convince me that 1,000 people in a volleyball gym confers a significant home court advantage unless there are dead spots in the floor or one hoop is 9.5 feet or something.

You're going in circles. I get your point that a larger capacity venue should have "more" of a home court advantage. Problem with discrediting the smaller venue (specifically for this case) is the results prove it to also be a tough place to play therefore providing a significant home court advantage.

Judging Sacto's past record, it doesn't have much advantage either..I once went to a game there when they played CSUN and even they thought it was bad compared to the Matadome, which is terrible by any standards. Relax, fella, enjoy your team's rare successes...they won't last long...

 

[SDHornet]

No, I get why Sac wants to win the regular season and stay at home. That's obvious.

What I don't get is why a percieved home court advantage in the Nest is germane to the conversation since during the BSC tournament, it'll be locked tighter than CDA's wallet when the bar tab arrives.

If we host, the Well will be packed for the Hornet games. Larger crowd, larger on campus venue, and IMO a larger impact on the game. Fans aren't suddenly going to get lost with the change in venue...and if they do the Well is less than a 10 minute walk from the Nest so they would eventually find their way. :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Haha! It definitely doesn't matter. It's just that nobody will ever convince me that 1,000 people in a volleyball gym confers a significant home court advantage unless there are dead spots in the floor or one hoop is 9.5 feet or something.

You're going in circles. I get your point that a larger capacity venue should have "more" of a home court advantage. Problem with discrediting the smaller venue (specifically for this case) is the results prove it to also be a tough place to play therefore providing a significant home court advantage.

Not going in circles at all. How dare you?

I agree your gym gives you an advantage because of its location (own beds, no airports, etc. like you said above). I just don't think it gives a significant advantage above and beyond the normal home advantage.

You agree that a bigger venue gives more of a home court advantage (which is all I alluded to in the first place), and because shitty teams play in big arenas, the home W-L record is an indicator, but certainly not the only measure for home court advantage. Is that a fair statement of your position? If so, I think we might have come to a resolution.

 

[SDHornet]

Haha! It definitely doesn't matter. It's just that nobody will ever convince me that 1,000 people in a volleyball gym confers a significant home court advantage unless there are dead spots in the floor or one hoop is 9.5 feet or something.

You're going in circles. I get your point that a larger capacity venue should have "more" of a home court advantage. Problem with discrediting the smaller venue (specifically for this case) is the results prove it to also be a tough place to play therefore providing a significant home court advantage.

Judging Sacto's past record, it doesn't have much advantage either..I once went to a game there when they played CSUN and even they thought it was bad compared to the Matadome, which is terrible by any standards. Relax, fella, enjoy your team's rare successes...they won't last long...

If you are going way back in time, then yes. Going back to when Katz landed the impact players and things started turning around was the home record I posted. Clearly there is something there. And yes I've been thoroughly enjoying this season. It's been one hell of a ride.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I posted the home record for Sac over the past few seasons earlier in the thread. Feel free to go back and read it again. Still wondering what metrics (clearly none are mathematically based) you use to determine what home court advantage really is. The numbers clearly show the Hornets have an edge at home.

I'll ask again: Why the hell does it matter when the cannot even play the damn tournament games there?? They could have the home record the Globtrotters do against the Nationals and it wouldn't make a lick o' difference because they can't play a game there.

It matters because if we host our players won't be jockeying between planes at an airport. They will be sleeping in their own beds the night before game(s) and will pretty much be in their normal home regiment. Meanwhile the Well will offer almost triple the capacity which should be filled for the games featuring the Hornets. So why would a rambunctious and energetic atmosphere seen in regular season games not carry over into the BSCT Hornet games?

No, I get why Sac wants to win the regular season and stay at home. That's obvious.

What I don't get is why a percieved home court advantage in the Nest is germane to the conversation since during the BSC tournament, it'll be locked tighter than CDA's wallet when the bar tab arrives.

Hey, man! I always offer to pay for everyone right after the waitress walks away with everyone else's cards. Not my fault she never responds to my barely audible calls to "wait" and "I really want to chip in."

You're cold, cowboy.

 

[SDHornet]

Haha! It definitely doesn't matter. It's just that nobody will ever convince me that 1,000 people in a volleyball gym confers a significant home court advantage unless there are dead spots in the floor or one hoop is 9.5 feet or something.

You're going in circles. I get your point that a larger capacity venue should have "more" of a home court advantage. Problem with discrediting the smaller venue (specifically for this case) is the results prove it to also be a tough place to play therefore providing a significant home court advantage.

Not going in circles at all. How dare you?

I agree your gym gives you an advantage because of its location (own beds, no airports, etc. like you said above). I just don't think it gives a significant advantage above and beyond the normal home advantage.

You agree that a bigger venue gives more of a home court advantage (which is all I alluded to in the first place), and because shitty teams play in big arenas, the home W-L record is an indicator, but certainly not the only measure for home court advantage. Is that a fair statement of your position? If so, I think we might have come to a resolution.

Because that added caveat wasn't your original argument, you originally made a blanket "Sac has no home court advantage" statement which is clearly incorrect and was my point all along.

Venue size and team performance obviously play a factor in the impact of home court advantage. However in our case the small venue does not preclude a home court advantage from being an impact on the results.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Haha! It definitely doesn't matter. It's just that nobody will ever convince me that 1,000 people in a volleyball gym confers a significant home court advantage unless there are dead spots in the floor or one hoop is 9.5 feet or something.

You're going in circles. I get your point that a larger capacity venue should have "more" of a home court advantage. Problem with discrediting the smaller venue (specifically for this case) is the results prove it to also be a tough place to play therefore providing a significant home court advantage.

Not going in circles at all. How dare you?

I agree your gym gives you an advantage because of its location (own beds, no airports, etc. like you said above). I just don't think it gives a significant advantage above and beyond the normal home advantage.

You agree that a bigger venue gives more of a home court advantage (which is all I alluded to in the first place), and because shitty teams play in big arenas, the home W-L record is an indicator, but certainly not the only measure for home court advantage. Is that a fair statement of your position? If so, I think we might have come to a resolution.

Because that added caveat wasn't your original argument, you originally made a blanket "Sac has no home court advantage" statement which is clearly incorrect and was my point all along.

Venue size and team performance obviously play a factor in the impact of home court advantage. However in our case the small venue does not preclude a home court advantage from being an impact on the results.

To refresh: I never said, "Sac has no home court advantage," just "not much of one."

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69637&start=25#p1043414


Which I clarified to mean above the statistical advantage every home team receives by virtue of playing at home. See second para here: http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69637&start=50#p1043531

And entire post here: http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69637&start=50#p1043569

We good?

 

[SDHornet]

Of course we're good, because I'm right. :mrgreen:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Of course we're good, because I'm right. :mrgreen:

HA! Read it twice. Try again.

 

[SDHornet]

Of course we're good, because I'm right. :mrgreen:

HA! Read it twice. Try again.

It's splitting hairs. Your looking at the margin of victory to justify your stance, whereas I'm looking at the end result to justify mine.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Of course we're good, because I'm right. :mrgreen:

HA! Read it twice. Try again.

It's splitting hairs. Your looking at the margin of victory to justify your stance, whereas I'm looking at the end result to justify mine.

I'm just looking at whether "The Nest" gives much of a home court advantage above the statistical average for a home team, and giving examples to demonstrate why a home W-L record isn't necessarily the best measure to answer the question.

As EG points out, however, it's moot.