University of Montana banned from Carter High

[BadlandsGrizFan]

The facts seem pretty clear even without getting Stitt's side of it.

HS Coach advises Kid to "play the field" and decommit from the University of Montana in order to get a "bigger, better deal." Kid decommits and blames the "coaching change." Montana says "fine, it's your choice" and moves on.

Kid doesn't get anything else. HS Coach can't find any offers for kid. HS Coach starts calling UM trying to save his face. UM's moved its promises to other players who were "committed." HS Coach knows that how it works. No program has the time resources for dilettantes who can't make up their mind, recruiting season is ending, schollies are committed.

Kid's parents erupt on HS Coach. Good kid has nowhere to go thanks to genius strategy of HS Coach who assured them he knew how "this game is played." HS Coach goes into major CYA mode. It's UM's fault! Yeah. That's it! It's so bad, he's banning UM from the High School.

This was a story concocted entirely for internal consumption at the High Skool, where "Coach" got embarrassed by his own failed strategy, had angry parents calling for his head, and needed to blame someone somewhere else. It is C......S....

Kinda my first impressions too....good post...

I like this mentality from Stitt...hes about getting shit done..hes not waiting around for people to figure their shit out...hes making decisions and keeps on keeping on...I love it...Stitt or get off the pot!!!

 

[getgrizzy]

I'm not sure we know the timeline; did this kid "decommit" and then UM went different direction or did UM pull the offer first. I've read both articles and they give two different scenarios.

Sorry, didn't see Putter's post addressing same issue.

who decommits without another offer in hand? give me a break.

 

[getgrizzy]

Has to be more to this story... Guessing Kyon had zero intent or desire in signing with UM. Simply using the Griz as leverage. I'm sure Stitt gave him a chance, but ultimately said screw it and called his bluff. I like the move. Good luck, Kyon....

You're right. That evil kid and coach had planned all along not to commit to UM and drag your programs name through the mud! Poor innocent griz program... :lol: Pull your head out of your rectum.

Huh?? Its not uncommon for kids to use verbals as leverage to get other offers. think you're reading into something I didn't imply. But whatevs dude.

except there are no other offers. duh.

 

[kemajic]

That's two now...hope Stitt realizes all that glitters isn't gold. Hope all those receivers and running backs can block and tackle. :twisted:

Running backs? I only see one on the list.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Its almost as if....the coaches know something..that we do not??????

 

[kemajic]

my god...this is big time college football

Really?

 

[mcg]

It would seem to me that if the kid is a really good player (three star, right?) he should have no problem finding a place to play. For example, he could call CU and I suspect they'd have a place for him. Is there more to the story?

 

[grizindabox]

a lot of you seem to be glossing over the facts. badlands, it's rare that an a.d. will send out a reassurance that a school will honor its scholarship offers and then not do it...twice. during the time haslam said that and stitt was hired these players could've been aggressively looking at other schools. this was a bad move and is a black eye. haslam has some explaining to do. he never should've said anything about honoring those offers. that just makes this look that much worse.

They are still honoring the scholarships for the kids that still want to come be part of Montana football. Brandom de-committed after a conversation with coaches about the role he would play in the new offense and decided to leave...that is different than not honoring a scholarship...As for Clark, the more I hear, the more I believe he backed away from Montana after the coaching change. Seems he would not give them a firm answer, and the Griz had to move on.

 

[mikegriz]

The facts seem pretty clear even without getting Stitt's side of it.

HS Coach advises Kid to "play the field" and decommit from the University of Montana in order to get a "bigger, better deal." Kid decommits and blames the "coaching change." Montana says "fine, it's your choice" and moves on.

Kid doesn't get anything else. HS Coach can't find any offers for kid. HS Coach starts calling UM trying to save his face. UM's moved its promises to other players who were "committed." HS Coach knows that how it works. No program has the time resources for dilettantes who can't make up their mind, recruiting season is ending, schollies are committed.

Kid's parents erupt on HS Coach. Good kid has nowhere to go thanks to genius strategy of HS Coach who assured them he knew how "this game is played." HS Coach goes into major CYA mode. It's UM's fault! Yeah. That's it! It's so bad, he's banning UM from the High School.

This was a story concocted entirely for internal consumption at the High Skool, where "Coach" got embarrassed by his own failed strategy, had angry parents calling for his head, and needed to blame someone somewhere else. It is C......S....

We may never know, but I would not be at all surprised if it went down something like this. There's aspects of that news story that don't pass the smell test.

 

[Tailbone]

So....Pierce convinces kid that it is OK to overplay his hand, and leverage Montana's offer into something bigger and better (He's gotta be a good athlete right...MONTANA offered). Except it didn't result in any other offers. Now, coach bans UM from campus. that'll teach the Griz, they now can't offer other (future) marginal athletes (screw the stars, no other programs offered) from Carter HS. But that's OK, there's always weber...nope, they didn't offer. Maybe MSU, nope not them either. If this had happened last year, Clark wouldn't have gotten the only offer he received. How many other of Pierce's players are going to reap the whirlwind?

Seems there is the possibility that Pierce has a tendency to overplay his hand....to the detriment of his charges.

And yeah, Clark's a 350lb behemoth that might be very capable of holding a six second block for 60 plays...but we need someone who can hold a four second block for 90 plays.

Methinks the decommit was ill considered.

 

[signedbewildered]

The facts seem pretty clear even without getting Stitt's side of it.

HS Coach advises Kid to "play the field" and decommit from the University of Montana in order to get a "bigger, better deal." Kid decommits and blames the "coaching change." Montana says "fine, it's your choice" and moves on.

Kid doesn't get anything else. HS Coach can't find any offers for kid. HS Coach starts calling UM trying to save his face. UM's moved its promises to other players who were "committed." HS Coach knows that how it works. No program has the time resources for dilettantes who can't make up their mind, recruiting season is ending, schollies are committed.

Kid's parents erupt on HS Coach. Good kid has nowhere to go thanks to genius strategy of HS Coach who assured them he knew how "this game is played." HS Coach goes into major CYA mode. It's UM's fault! Yeah. That's it! It's so bad, he's banning UM from the High School.

This was a story concocted entirely for internal consumption at the High Skool, where "Coach" got embarrassed by his own failed strategy, had angry parents calling for his head, and needed to blame someone somewhere else. It is C......S....

Possibly but my thoughts...It's this simple. Stitt DID tell kid we just don't have a place for him. Kid and HS coach go shopping but telling the other schools he decomitted himself (sounds better than getting canned and would help if you tell the other schools you left a good program to pursue a career at theirs)

Other schools not interested over a period of a few weeks HS coach starts pouting seeing their game plan isn't working and out of frustration the truth (kind of the truth) comes out.

In short I speculate Clark WAS shown the door for whatever reasons he and his HS coach were just a little afraid or embarrassed to say it when they had to shop elsewhere. Now it's crunch time.....hence the MSU plug.

 

[SAMSDAD]

From Local newspaper: http://www.sbsun.com/sports/2015012...on-clark-could-be-joining-his-brother-at-ucla

"While several high school athletes committed to colleges long ago, and others have been courted and are expected to make their decisions in the next week, there are other future college athletes who fall into different categories.

One of those is Carter High nose guard Kyon Clark, who originally committed to Montana but has since de-committed.

Carter coach Alex Pierce said that Clark changed his mind when Montana underwent a coaching change as former coach Mick Delaney retired.


So, what’s next? Possibly UCLA, where Clark’s brother Kenny, the former Sun Defensive Player of the Year, was a standout sophomore defensive lineman last season.

According to Rivals.com, Clark is scheduled to make a visit to UCLA this weekend although Pierce could not confirm that. Although there has been no official offer yet, UCLA is the only possibility out there for him other than Montana. Rivals has Clark listed as a three-star recruit."

I can imagine a scenario where Mr. Clark, on the advice of his coach, decommitted to pursue other offers (UCLA is a "no brainer") - the assumption being that Montana would still take him in lieu of other offers. Perhaps, in an attempt to mitigate his bad advice (as there are no other offers), coach Pierce then attempts to contact the new Montana staff, but is continually rebuffed with the message that the new staff is unavailable as they are "out, recruiting". Pierce then, irritated by his inability to "fix it" lashes out at the new Montana staff (to deflect responsibilty for his bad advice) and bans them from his school.

Mr Clark and coach Pierce would do well to remember the old proverb that "one in the hand, is worth two in the bush".... particularly when the evidence suggests there are none in the bush.

I think the message is, "decommit at your own risk, we at Montana are serious about our football, if you don't want to be here, that's ok. We wish you well, but don't call back when you change your mind, again."

I'm surprised by the rancor. I don't think any reasonable coach expects an incoming staff to be beholden to the outgoing staffs offers and I don't think Delaney's impending retirement was a secret. I would think that info was conveyed at the time the offer was made.

Nail on the head!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

my god...this is big time college football

Really?

I think the fact that we've placed several players in the NFL the last couple years would suggest that yes?

Also you know when a coach drops a plug to Montana State that its desperation mode and UCLA aint sniffing around. He knew from what happened and what he had said about Montana being banished from the kingdom Carter that Montana State was the lowest hanging fruit for his now panic mode scenario.

 

[Htowngriz]

I would love to hear coach Stitt's side of this. The last thing you want as a new head coach, are D-Bag highschool coaches dragging you and your program through the mud.

Also , I if true, I am completely puzzled. When you have a 3-Star DT that is completely committed to your program, you take them. Other than corner, I don't think we have a thinner position at this point. We already have (4) WR in this recruiting class. If Ena doesn't committ, we have (0) new DT commits at this point. Am I missing something here?

I'm with you. Our depth chart for the DL is very thin. I'm going to assume coach has a plan here. I've played enough NCAA to know you can't just recruit skill position players.

Maybe this is why the Great coach stitt has been in DII for so long.... Can't wait for next season :thumb:

An Ewoo fan talking shit about a school only getting good skill position players? :lol: :lol: :roll:

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Even funnier than the people panicking on this thread are the idiots on BobcatNation ready to call the coach themselves and recruit this kid.....man I love that fan base....they hear that an obvious Coach with Little man syndrome bans the Griz and throws a plug for the Cats and theyre like piranhas with blood in water...classic kitten banter....I hope we can rebound from this pulled scholly and still be good enough to beat them down by at least 21 still next year....Im worried :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[grizatwork]

We are all speculating and hearing one side with 2 different versions. UM is barred from commenting. Seems we are all jumping the gun with our own little drama without even knowing all that happened.

 

[grizindabox]

We are all speculating and hearing one side with 2 different versions. UM is barred from commenting. Seems we are all jumping the gun with our own little drama without even knowing all that happened.

Not "ALL"....

 

[AZGrizFan]

The facts seem pretty clear even without getting Stitt's side of it.

HS Coach advises Kid to "play the field" and decommit from the University of Montana in order to get a "bigger, better deal." Kid decommits and blames the "coaching change." Montana says "fine, it's your choice" and moves on.

Kid doesn't get anything else. HS Coach can't find any offers for kid. HS Coach starts calling UM trying to save his face. UM's moved its promises to other players who were "committed." HS Coach knows that how it works. No program has the time resources for dilettantes who can't make up their mind, recruiting season is ending, schollies are committed.

Kid's parents erupt on HS Coach. Good kid has nowhere to go thanks to genius strategy of HS Coach who assured them he knew how "this game is played." HS Coach goes into major CYA mode. It's UM's fault! Yeah. That's it! It's so bad, he's banning UM from the High School.

This was a story concocted entirely for internal consumption at the High Skool, where "Coach" got embarrassed by his own failed strategy, had angry parents calling for his head, and needed to blame someone somewhere else. It is C......S....

This is almost EXACTLY how I see this one having played out....the coach (HS) is coming off as a complete ass in this whole process...

 

[PTGrizzly]

my god...this is big time college football

Really?

I think the fact that we've placed several players in the NFL the last couple years would suggest that yes?

Also you know when a coach drops a plug to Montana State that its desperation mode and UCLA aint sniffing around. He knew from what happened and what he had said about Montana being banished from the kingdom Carter that Montana State was the lowest hanging fruit for his now panic mode scenario.

I hate to burst your bubble, but we aren't big-time college football. We're phenomenal at our level, but big-time, Naw. And that's ok. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

my god...this is big time college football

Really?

I think the fact that we've placed several players in the NFL the last couple years would suggest that yes?

Also you know when a coach drops a plug to Montana State that its desperation mode and UCLA aint sniffing around. He knew from what happened and what he had said about Montana being banished from the kingdom Carter that Montana State was the lowest hanging fruit for his now panic mode scenario.

I hate to burst your bubble, but we aren't big-time college football. We're phenomenal at our level, but big-time, Naw. And that's ok. Nothing wrong with that.

I meant big time as to say...not high school and not NAIA or D2...we play with decent national exposure and after NFl and FBS football....I think FCS is next...so IMO I think that's pretty big football......Canadian football isn't real.