UM's APR dropping

[info]

btw, MSU's four year average is 918...you had a 943 this year just to make 918, one good year is not a trend, just like one 'bad" (929) is not a trend. UM football has never had an APR in the 800's, MSU? not so much..like I said, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[PlayerRep]

The new policy will begin taking effect in the 2012-13 academic year, however institutions will have a period of 3 years to align their APR with the new standard. The postseason restrictions for the next few years are as follows:

2012-13 postseason: 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years

2013-14 postseason: either 930 four-year average or 940 average over most recent two years

2015-2016 postseason and beyond: 930 four-year average.

Year 1: a public warning letter for poor performance

Year 2: restrictions on scholarships and practice time

Year 3: loss of postseason competition for the team (such as a bowl game or the men's basketball tournament)

Year 4: restricted membership status for an institution. The school's entire athletics program is penalized and will not be considered a part of Division I.

One year under 930 is not a problem.

Maybe you dont think so but my understanding is that it would eliminate a team from postseason play for one year.

Nope, wouldn't eliminate a team from postseason play until 2015-2016. Here's the rule implementation schedule:

"In 2014-15, teams that don’t achieve the 930 benchmark for their four-year APR or at least a 940 average for the most recent two years will be ineligible for postseason competition.

In 2015-16, the 930 benchmark for postseason competition participation – and additional penalties – will be implemented fully. The APR requirement for postseason participation would be waived only in extraordinary circumstances."


929 is the same APR that UM had in the '04/'05 period.

I asked O'Day several months ago whether UM had an APR problem or developing problem, and he said no.

 

[Cats2506]

btw, MSU's four year average is 918...you had a 943 this year just to make 918, one good year is not a trend, just like one 'bad" (929) is not a trend. UM football has never had an APR in the 800's, MSU? not so much..like I said, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

BTW MSU's current multi year average is 943
and the 2010-2011 apr is 943 too
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2011/440_2011_apr.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2009-2010 apr is 954
https://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2010/440_2010_apr.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2008-2009 apr is 936
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2009/440_2009_apr.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Brock Landers]

Shit, we're really MSU'ing it up nowadays

 

[Gaeilge1]

FWIW - The Sportsnetwork is reporting today that three FCS schools have been suspended from the 2012 playoffs due to poor APR's. They are Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Texas Southern. The article does not go into any more detail so there is no data on previous year's rankings.

Nevertheless this would suggest that some form of this rule is in effect and being enforced this year.

 

[Cats2506]

FWIW - The Sportsnetwork is reporting today that three FCS schools have been suspended from the 2012 playoffs due to poor APR's. They are Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Texas Southern. The article does not go into any more detail so there is no data on previous year's rankings.

Nevertheless this would suggest that some form of this rule is in effect and being enforced this year.

Duh..............

 

[PlayerRep]

FWIW - The Sportsnetwork is reporting today that three FCS schools have been suspended from the 2012 playoffs due to poor APR's. They are Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Texas Southern. The article does not go into any more detail so there is no data on previous year's rankings.

Nevertheless this would suggest that some form of this rule is in effect and being enforced this year.

Duh..............

The current APR threshhold for the 4-year average is still 900, not 930.

"2012-13 postseason: 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years"

 

[Cats2506]

FWIW - The Sportsnetwork is reporting today that three FCS schools have been suspended from the 2012 playoffs due to poor APR's. They are Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Texas Southern. The article does not go into any more detail so there is no data on previous year's rankings.

Nevertheless this would suggest that some form of this rule is in effect and being enforced this year.

Duh..............

The current APR threshhold for the 4-year average is still 900, not 930.

"2012-13 postseason: 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years"

Good to see that you finally figured that out :thumb:

 

[EverettGriz]

My APR dropped 200 points just reading this thread.

 

[PlayerRep]

FWIW - The Sportsnetwork is reporting today that three FCS schools have been suspended from the 2012 playoffs due to poor APR's. They are Hampton, North Carolina A&T and Texas Southern. The article does not go into any more detail so there is no data on previous year's rankings.

Nevertheless this would suggest that some form of this rule is in effect and being enforced this year.

Duh..............

The current APR threshhold for the 4-year average is still 900, not 930.

"2012-13 postseason: 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years"

Good to see that you finally figured that out :thumb:

I've known this all along. You're the one who needs to figure out that 900, not 930, is the currently applicable APR for penalties/post-season play at this time.

 

[Cats2506]

Duh..............

The current APR threshhold for the 4-year average is still 900, not 930.

"2012-13 postseason: 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years"

Good to see that you finally figured that out :thumb:

I've known this all along. You're the one who needs to figure out that 900, not 930, is the currently applicable APR for penalties/post-season play at this time.

900 this year as it has been for some time, 930 next year and after that, I don't really understand why you are so slow to comprehend.

 

[grizchamp]

"grizchamp wrote:

929 is our current 4 year average. The last three years APR numbers are 936, 950, and 948 (according to reports printed off from the NCAA). I don't think we have too much to worry about (regarding APR) in the next few years."

If 929 is the 4 year average and 936, 950, abd 948 are three of the 4 years, the missing 4th year number is 882. So which number falls off? If it's the 882 there is no problem. If it's any of the other 3, it could be a big problem. There has to be something missing. Maybe I forgot to take the Obama Math Class in kindygarden.

As long as Grizchamp isn't a current player, we should be okay anyway...

Haha. I pulled the numbers straight from the forms downloaded from the link in this thread. I thought te math was wierd as well, but that's what the downloads gave for numbers

 

[tnt]

I would be little comncerned about Odays assurances. Either he was blowing you off, lying, or oblivious. His emails to gee expressing concern aside. If one of my kids had come home with an A, then came nexf grade period with a B, I'd be concerned, but figure it might be okay. If the next period he came with a C, it would hit the fan and there would be some changes. However in JOD's case. It didn't stop there. Thee grades went down 2 more qurters until the last grade was an F. Now by the Grace of god the GPA keep the program from flunking out. But the problem is still there and should the 2011 - 2012 "grade" be bad, that GPA will get us through next year but if Mic doesn't get it turned around, it will be a problem. I'm not sure why JOD didn't think a five and maybe a six year trend was a problem. Maybe hes rethinking that now.

The new policy will begin taking effect in the 2012-13 academic year, however institutions will have a period of 3 years to align their APR with the new standard. The postseason restrictions for the next few years are as follows:

2012-13 postseason: 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years

2013-14 postseason: either 930 four-year average or 940 average over most recent two years

2015-2016 postseason and beyond: 930 four-year average.

Year 1: a public warning letter for poor performance

Year 2: restrictions on scholarships and practice time

Year 3: loss of postseason competition for the team (such as a bowl game or the men's basketball tournament)

Year 4: restricted membership status for an institution. The school's entire athletics program is penalized and will not be considered a part of Division I.

One year under 930 is not a problem.

Maybe you dont think so but my understanding is that it would eliminate a team from postseason play for one year.

Nope, wouldn't eliminate a team from postseason play until 2015-2016. Here's the rule implementation schedule:

"In 2014-15, teams that don’t achieve the 930 benchmark for their four-year APR or at least a 940 average for the most recent two years will be ineligible for postseason competition.

In 2015-16, the 930 benchmark for postseason competition participation – and additional penalties – will be implemented fully. The APR requirement for postseason participation would be waived only in extraordinary circumstances."


929 is the same APR that UM had in the '04/'05 period.

I asked O'Day several months ago whether UM had an APR problem or developing problem, and he said no.

 

[krammer]

so help me understand how the kentucky baketball team that sends 4 or 5 players to the nba each year (not counting the other students athletes that do not make the grades) get to the number of graduates (i believe 50 %) over the four year period??? and that is the coach's philosophy, that is, to recruit for the short timer and then let them go to the nba......how is this helping further education??? how can they remain tournament eligible?? im sure i missing something here....

 

[PlayerRep]

I would be little comncerned about Odays assurances. Either he was blowing you off, lying, or oblivious. His emails to gee expressing concern aside. If one of my kids had come home with an A, then came nexf grade period with a B, I'd be concerned, but figure it might be okay. If the next period he came with a C, it would hit the fan and there would be some changes. However in JOD's case. It didn't stop there. Thee grades went down 2 more qurters until the last grade was an F. Now by the Grace of god the GPA keep the program from flunking out. But the problem is still there and should the 2011 - 2012 "grade" be bad, that GPA will get us through next year but if Mic doesn't get it turned around, it will be a problem. I'm not sure why JOD didn't think a five and maybe a six year trend was a problem. Maybe hes rethinking that now.

The new policy will begin taking effect in the 2012-13 academic year, however institutions will have a period of 3 years to align their APR with the new standard. The postseason restrictions for the next few years are as follows:

2012-13 postseason: 900 four-year average or 930 average over most recent two years

2013-14 postseason: either 930 four-year average or 940 average over most recent two years

2015-2016 postseason and beyond: 930 four-year average.

Year 1: a public warning letter for poor performance

Year 2: restrictions on scholarships and practice time

Year 3: loss of postseason competition for the team (such as a bowl game or the men's basketball tournament)

Year 4: restricted membership status for an institution. The school's entire athletics program is penalized and will not be considered a part of Division I.

One year under 930 is not a problem.

Maybe you dont think so but my understanding is that it would eliminate a team from postseason play for one year.

Nope, wouldn't eliminate a team from postseason play until 2015-2016. Here's the rule implementation schedule:

"In 2014-15, teams that don’t achieve the 930 benchmark for their four-year APR or at least a 940 average for the most recent two years will be ineligible for postseason competition.

In 2015-16, the 930 benchmark for postseason competition participation – and additional penalties – will be implemented fully. The APR requirement for postseason participation would be waived only in extraordinary circumstances."


929 is the same APR that UM had in the '04/'05 period.

I asked O'Day several months ago whether UM had an APR problem or developing problem, and he said no.

How old are you? Obviously, way over the hill. Much of what you write is not discernable.

 

[PTGrizzly]

PR, aren't you 60+ years old? Calling somebody else out on their age is well...I think you see where I'm going with this.

 

[Grisly Fan]

"grizchamp wrote:

929 is our current 4 year average. The last three years APR numbers are 936, 950, and 948 (according to reports printed off from the NCAA). I don't think we have too much to worry about (regarding APR) in the next few years."

If 929 is the 4 year average and 936, 950, abd 948 are three of the 4 years, the missing 4th year number is 882. So which number falls off? If it's the 882 there is no problem. If it's any of the other 3, it could be a big problem. There has to be something missing. Maybe I forgot to take the Obama Math Class in kindygarden.

Here's the math:


Football

University of Montana

2007 - 2008
939

2008 - 2009
936

2009 - 2010
932

If it is indeed a 4-year rolling average then:

2010-2011 = 929 = (939+936+932+Latest)/4

Latest = ((4*929) - 939 - 936 - 932) = 909 = Not good

 

[BDizzle]

"grizchamp wrote:

929 is our current 4 year average. The last three years APR numbers are 936, 950, and 948 (according to reports printed off from the NCAA). I don't think we have too much to worry about (regarding APR) in the next few years."

If 929 is the 4 year average and 936, 950, abd 948 are three of the 4 years, the missing 4th year number is 882. So which number falls off? If it's the 882 there is no problem. If it's any of the other 3, it could be a big problem. There has to be something missing. Maybe I forgot to take the Obama Math Class in kindygarden.

Here's the math:


Football

University of Montana

2007 - 2008
939

2008 - 2009
936

2009 - 2010
932

If it is indeed a 4-year rolling average then:

2010-2011 = 929 = (939+936+932+Latest)/4

Latest = ((4*929) - 939 - 936 - 932) = 909 = Not good

Close but no cigar. 939,936,932 are 4 year averages, not 1 year totals. That 909 is a 1 year total, not 4 year average. Pretty tough to get the exact APR for the single season 2010-2011 but I'm guessing it's around 924.

 

[tnt]

Either way if this year was not so good we are in trouble down the pike and if next year is not so good, we are screwed. Why JOD was not concerned (at least to PR) is a mystery.

 

[BDizzle]

Let's see if I can do this on an iPhone. This is just an example btw.

2005-940
2006-939
2007-939
2008-938
Average-939 for 2008

2006-939
2007-939
2008-938
2009-928
Average-936 for 2009

2007-939
2008-938
2009-928
2010-923
Average-932 for 2010

2008-938
2009-928
2010-923
2011-927
Average-929 for 2011

So actually our APR for last year could've went up from the previous year. We really don't know.