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UM No. 1 in Conference Scoring Defense and Red Zone Defense
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PlayerRep said:poorgriz said:PlayerRep said:poorgriz said:I GUARANTEE this will go 17... because I'm gonna keep telling PR he's wrong! :lol:
Seriously... I think you're way over thinking this, even going to the point of stepping outside your field of expertise (the law) to play statistician. You mention that your way is more "valid". Didn't most everyone who's weighed in on this agree that NO STATS at this point in the season are "Valid" yet? I, and others, believe that you can't just always say that 6 data points are more statistically accurate than 2, because it largely depends on the quality of the opponents. You disagree and are sticking with the mind set that more data is always better. Agree to disagree. Good night.
I'm not over-thinking anything. I picked the best available and most commonly used stats from the conference website and posted them. The main question being discussed now is whether all-game stats or the conference only stats are better, more meaningful, more valid. It is clear that the all-game stats are the best--of these two choices.
Football stats are always impacted by many many factors, including quality of opponent. Also, the weather, injuries, which team was more up for the game, where the game was played, officiating, etc. So what. Everyone knows that. I haven't said that more data is always better. Can you just stick to what was actually said. In college football, however, I will say that 6 games of stats to start a season will almost always be more meaningful than 1 or 2 games of stats. The fact that you can't see that, or are just too stubborn to admit it, makes wonder what is wrong with you.
See... now you're adding words in there to back off a bit. I just have a feeling that IF the griz would have played 4 FBS schools in preseason instead of one, almost positively making the UM stats look better when just looking at the two FCS games, you would have posted those instead, or not posted anything at all because of the Griz being near the bottom in most categories.
Can we at least agree that in my hypothetical from before, IF the griz team played four DII teams and two BSC teams, and the Cats played four FBS teams and two BSC teams, it would be more accurate to make comparisons between the two teams by looking only at the stats from the two BSC games they each played?
Can you admit that the all-game Big Sky stats that I posted are more meaningful than the 2/1 game conference stats? That was main discussion that evolved.
Had UM played 4 D-II teams and the Cats played 4 FBS teams, I would never have bothered to post the stats (as between those 2 teams). However, I had a good idea of which teams had played up and down, and what the results of those games were. Of course, I knew that no team had played more than 2 up or 2 down, and few teams had done either.
In the way the Big Sky schedules are done today, it would have to be an incredibly odd and unusual situation for 2/1 games of conference stats to be as meaningful as 6/5 games of stats.
By the way, I did some business course work at Stanford Business School during my law school days, so I know what stats are. I did this to help prepare for doing corporate finance work on Wall St, which I did.
More meaningful for what? Showing how well UM looks on paper after playing a relatively weak schedule? Sure. I'll concede that. As for showing the most accurate picture of who looks better on paper in terms of the race to the Big Sky Title... I'd rather look at the two BSC teams we've played and compare those stats.
grizcountry420
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What page are we on?
PR, the stats, whether for 2 game or 6 games do not mean a whole lot to me. Neither shows an entire body of work, and even at 6 games, they are not that comparable between teams because there are too many variables involved. Pretty to look at, not overall that meaningful. You want to keep touting the Griz rank, but they have the most difficult part of their schedule to go. To me, that makes the stats basically useless. So no, I will not say that the stats based on 6 games are more telling to me than the stats based on 2, or 3, or 4, or whatever. A team could have played 6 passing teams, does this mean they have a good run defense? How about playing 6 option teams...but they have only allowed 45 passing yards...pretty great pass defense huh. The stats do not really tell the entire story.
grizcountry420 said:
Doing my part...
GoosetownGriz
Well-known member
grizindabox said:
Then stay out of the discussion, and stop trying to tell us that the 2/1 game stats are better than the 6/5 game stats.
I wasn't touting UM's rank. I just posted the statistics, without commentary.
No one has ever said stats tell the whole story. I don't care if you look at the stats or not. However, I will look at some of them, and continue to post some of the, and some of them are in fact meaningful. In my view, by not at least glancing at stats at this point of the season, you are missing some important data, and you won't understand as much about the conference or the Griz. That's fine. I don't think you know much about the game anyway, so looking at the stats probably wouldn't help you much anyway.
PlayerRep said:
Never stated that they did? Also did not say anything about not taking a look at stats, what I did say is that you must take them with a grain of salt. You also have no idea what my football background is, and with your continued ignorant rants, are incorrect in your assumptions.
poorgriz said:
More meaningful than the 2/1 games stats, which some of you said were more meaningful.
I don't agree that UM has played a relatively weak schedule, particularly compared to many other teams. Someone posted the Sagarin strength of schedules, which showed MSU and UM pretty close in strength of schedule.
Feel free to look at the 2/1 conference games that have been played. You will know less about the conference than you would if you looked at the other stats. How much do you want to bet me that the final conference rankings will be pretty close to what they are today? Are you picking Sac St and Davis to be near the top or on top? Are you picking UM and NAU to be 6th or below?
ALPHAGRIZ1
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Agreed.........statistically speaking the odds of this ever making 17 pages is very low.
Chester Cheetah
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You are looking at all the pages, not just the last 2, if you separate out the last 2 pages you can see that it could go 17 pages.ALPHAGRIZ1 said:Agreed.........statistically speaking the odds of this ever making 17 pages is very low.
I obviously believe that SSH needs more carries...the guy is averaging over 13 yards per carry for the season. We all know that stats tell the real story. Heck, Ellis and Naccarato should get more carries also.
