UM No. 1 in Conference Scoring Defense and Red Zone Defense

[CDAGRIZ]

It will truly be a feat if this thread makes 17 pages...

Oh, it's ON like Donkey Kong now, bitch. :lol:

I think it has a chance at making 17 pages, but just look at the threads over at BobcatNation. Now those are some threads, boy howdy. I know that board has taken a back seat to eGriz historically, but if you look at the last 12 minutes (which is all any poster cares about), BN is really gaining on eGriz. These are the factors that I have arbitrarily chosen to assess the relative merit of the boards:

Posts: eGriz - 898846; BN - 444867. I think this is clearly skewed because eGriz had word association for a while back in the day, and BN is all quality. Edge: BN.

Users online right now: eGriz - 460; BN - 66. Sure, this seems like one would give the edge to eGriz ostensibly, but I'm going to make something up that makes me able to draw eight inferences so that I'm only one logical leap away from giving BN the edge, and . . . . . Edge: BN.

Color scheme: eGriz has the maroon thing going, but I personally like the navy blue. I know it's not an MSU school color or anything, but according to a study I made up for the purposes of serving my point, navy blue is more pleasing to the eye. Edge: BN.

Location: I know, both are on the Internet. But the eGriz part of the Internet just doesn't do it for me as much as the BN part of the Internet. BN is in a great place on the Internet that is close to ski hill websites. Edge: BN.


This is not to mention that BN just got a $17 donation from the Bozeman Farm & Feed that should make any eGriz supporter shake in his boots. Watch out, because BN is about to take over eGriz in just about every measurable metric in the next several days.

 

[jodcon]

It will truly be a feat if this thread makes 17 pages...

Oh, it's ON like Donkey Kong now, bitch. :lol:

I think it has a chance at making 17 pages, but just look at the threads over at BobcatNation. Now those are some threads, boy howdy. I know that board has taken a back seat to eGriz historically, but if you look at the last 12 minutes (which is all any poster cares about), BN is really gaining on eGriz. These are the factors that I have arbitrarily chosen to assess the relative merit of the boards:

Posts: eGriz - 898846; BN - 444867. I think this is clearly skewed because eGriz had word association for a while back in the day, and BN is all quality. Edge: BN.

Users online right now: eGriz - 460; BN - 66. Sure, this seems like one would give the edge to eGriz ostensibly, but I'm going to make something up that makes me able to draw eight inferences so that I'm only one logical leap away from giving BN the edge, and . . . . . Edge: BN.

Color scheme: eGriz has the maroon thing going, but I personally like the navy blue. I know it's not an MSU school color or anything, but according to a study I made up for the purposes of serving my point, navy blue is more pleasing to the eye. Edge: BN.

Location: I know, both are on the Internet. But the eGriz part of the Internet just doesn't do it for me as much as the BN part of the Internet. BN is in a great place on the Internet that is close to ski hill websites. Edge: BN.


This is not to mention that BN just got a $17 donation from the Bozeman Farm & Feed that should make any eGriz supporter shake in his boots. Watch out, because BN is about to take over eGriz in just about every measurable metric in the next several days.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[pussycatkillerz]

LMAO

...good stuff

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, your statement is the dumbest. Statistics that include all football games do not require sampling, because every game is included. It's amazing that you don't understand that.

It doesn't surprise me that any smart woman would dump you.

Feel free to show where I ever said Cherry had a future in the NBA or said geology doesn't determine oil reservoirs. You are a very dishonest, and stupid, person. I used to enjoy your dumb statements that Cherry, as a soph, wasn't a good point guard and wasn't improving. Let's see you tell us again how successful UMass' move up is. Or let's hear you defend the Missoulian. That's a popular one.

Ever notice that liars try to point out others as liars. Must suck having that kind of complex. FIVE-ZIP!! You're wrong once again about me being right. Try again.

You're like Nixon and Viet Nam. When you're losing, you declare victory and withdraw.

You're a lawyer, I'm an engineer and statistician. I'm quite confident I smashed my way to victory. You're take on statistical analysis provided some funny moments though, I will admit that. Stick to what you do best, manipulating the truth and spinning half truths, good lawyers can do that. I thought my victory was more like Patton over Rommel. Interesting that you invoke the name of your hero though (as in Tricky Dick).

You are some kind of statistician if you believe stats for 2 games of conference play is more valid than the 6 games of the season. But given a number of your other goofy views, it doesn't surprise me.

 

[poorgriz]

Still waiting for a response to my question earlier, quoted in this post for convenience. I'm assuming you are punting.

"Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?"

 

[PlayerRep]

Still waiting for a response to my question earlier, quoted in this post for convenience. I'm assuming you are punting.

"Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?"

Again, I am saying that stats for the first 6 games of the Big Sky conference teams are more valid than conference only stats for 2 games?

Let me ask you a question. Are you saying that stats for 2 conference games are more valid than stats for the first 6 games of the season? That is the heart of the point that was being discussed in this thread.

 

[poorgriz]

Still waiting for a response to my question earlier, quoted in this post for convenience. I'm assuming you are punting.

"Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?"

Again, I am saying that stats for the first 6 games of the Big Sky conference teams are more valid than conference only stats for 2 games?

Let me ask you a question. Are you saying that stats for 2 conference games are more valid than stats for the first 6 games of the season? That is the heart of the point that was being discussed in this thread.

No... you started by saying that, but then that led to your blanket statement saying that 6 data points are always more valid than 2. That's simply not true in all cases, per my comment above. Therefore, it all depends on the quality of the opponents within your sample. Lastly, my answer would be YES, in this particular situation it would be more accurate to look at only two BSC conference games than it would 6 games, which includes a mix match of NAIA, D2, FCS, and FBS schools. If all games were FCS I'd be with you. Having said all that... NEITHER option is an accurate reflection of where teams are at yet. :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Still waiting for a response to my question earlier, quoted in this post for convenience. I'm assuming you are punting.

"Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?"

Again, I am saying that stats for the first 6 games of the Big Sky conference teams are more valid than conference only stats for 2 games?

Let me ask you a question. Are you saying that stats for 2 conference games are more valid than stats for the first 6 games of the season? That is the heart of the point that was being discussed in this thread.

No... you started by saying that, but then that led to your blanket statement saying that 6 data points are always more valid than 2. That's simply not true in all cases, per my comment above. Therefore, it all depends on the quality of the opponents within your sample. Lastly, my answer would be YES, in this particular situation it would be more accurate to look at only two BSC conference games than it would 6 games, which includes a mix match of NAIA, D2, FCS, and FBS schools. If all games were FCS I'd be with you. Having said all that... NEITHER option is an accurate reflection of where teams are at yet. :lol:

She had data points all her own sittin' way up high . . . way up firm and high.

 

[poorgriz]

One more thing to add. The other reason I think it's a more accurate picture is because it's a league game. I'm not saying the coaches intentionally try harder to win league games than non conf... but it's apparent to me that they use those games to work things out, tune things up, gearing up for the more important BSC race. Nowhere in the Bobcat team goals does it directly say "Beat SFA". the three goals they have written down for this season, as is usually the case unless something's changed, are 1: Win the BSC. 2: Beat the Griz. 3: Win the National Championship. Everything the program does is centered on achieving those three goals.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

the three goals they have written down for this season, as is usually the case unless something's changed, are 1: Win the BSC. 2: Beat the Griz. 3: Win the National Championship. Everything the program does is centered on achieving those three goals.

Isn't #3 kind of lofty? I mean, I can start every day with the goal of playing center for the Lakers, but no amount of anything will get me there. Also, "everything" the program does is centered around those three goals? I'm not sure that's accurate.

 

[PlayerRep]

Still waiting for a response to my question earlier, quoted in this post for convenience. I'm assuming you are punting.

"Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?"

Again, I am saying that stats for the first 6 games of the Big Sky conference teams are more valid than conference only stats for 2 games?

Let me ask you a question. Are you saying that stats for 2 conference games are more valid than stats for the first 6 games of the season? That is the heart of the point that was being discussed in this thread.

No... you started by saying that, but then that led to your blanket statement saying that 6 data points are always more valid than 2. That's simply not true in all cases, per my comment above. Therefore, it all depends on the quality of the opponents within your sample. Lastly, my answer would be YES, in this particular situation it would be more accurate to look at only two BSC conference games than it would 6 games, which includes a mix match of NAIA, D2, FCS, and FBS schools. If all games were FCS I'd be with you. Having said all that... NEITHER option is an accurate reflection of where teams are at yet. :lol:

You obviously don't understand football stats nor the game of football. Your view is ridiculous. The 6-game stats of the conference are more valid than the 2-game stats. It isn't even a close call. Most of the games are FBS. Most teams played down once, and I think one played down twice. Most teams play up once, and I think one team played up twice. In a total of 75-80 games, these minor deviations didn't skew the stats, or skew them much. In the case of UM, while UM didn't play up, UM started taking out its starters in the first quarter, and many of its stats actually went down after the D-II game. 2 or 1 conference games, not even against common opponents generally, doesn't result in valid or good stats. While 6-game stats are not perfect, they are far better than 2-game stats.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I know this for sure: the Griz could win every game and lead the country in every statistic, and some Cat fan would try to argue that (1) the Griz are not that good; (2) the stats don't tell the whole story because [blank]; and (3) Reno Sales is a better stadium than WGS "when you really look at it."

 

[AZGrizFan]

Still waiting for a response to my question earlier, quoted in this post for convenience. I'm assuming you are punting.

"Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?"

Again, I am saying that stats for the first 6 games of the Big Sky conference teams are more valid than conference only stats for 2 games?

Let me ask you a question. Are you saying that stats for 2 conference games are more valid than stats for the first 6 games of the season? That is the heart of the point that was being discussed in this thread.

No... you started by saying that, but then that led to your blanket statement saying that 6 data points are always more valid than 2. That's simply not true in all cases, per my comment above. Therefore, it all depends on the quality of the opponents within your sample. Lastly, my answer would be YES, in this particular situation it would be more accurate to look at only two BSC conference games than it would 6 games, which includes a mix match of NAIA, D2, FCS, and FBS schools. If all games were FCS I'd be with you. Having said all that... NEITHER option is an accurate reflection of where teams are at yet. :lol:

She had data points all her own sittin' way up high . . . way up firm and high.

Dude, stop it...you're KILLIN' me!! :lol: :lol: :clap: :clap:

 

[poorgriz]

Still waiting for a response to my question earlier, quoted in this post for convenience. I'm assuming you are punting.

"Really? Are you still trying to argue this or are you guys just playing lawyer and picking a side to argue just for fun... when you really don't seriously believe in what you're arguing? You have thrown out the blanket statement that six data points are always better than two. Do you really believe that, regardless of what those data points are? Are you saying that if two FCS teams have played six games each, one team played two FCS schools and four NAIA schools, and the other FCS team played two FCS schools and four FBS schools... that those stats would hold any relevance whatsoever?"

Again, I am saying that stats for the first 6 games of the Big Sky conference teams are more valid than conference only stats for 2 games?

Let me ask you a question. Are you saying that stats for 2 conference games are more valid than stats for the first 6 games of the season? That is the heart of the point that was being discussed in this thread.

No... you started by saying that, but then that led to your blanket statement saying that 6 data points are always more valid than 2. That's simply not true in all cases, per my comment above. Therefore, it all depends on the quality of the opponents within your sample. Lastly, my answer would be YES, in this particular situation it would be more accurate to look at only two BSC conference games than it would 6 games, which includes a mix match of NAIA, D2, FCS, and FBS schools. If all games were FCS I'd be with you. Having said all that... NEITHER option is an accurate reflection of where teams are at yet. :lol:

You obviously don't understand football stats nor the game of football. Your view is ridiculous. The 6-game stats of the conference are more valid than the 2-game stats. It isn't even a close call. Most of the games are FBS. Most teams played down once, and I think one played down twice. Most teams play up once, and I think one team played up twice. In a total of 75-80 games, these minor deviations didn't skew the stats, or skew them much. In the case of UM, while UM didn't play up, UM started taking out its starters in the first quarter, and many of its stats actually went down after the D-II game. 2 or 1 conference games, not even against common opponents generally, doesn't result in valid or good stats. While 6-game stats are not perfect, they are far better than 2-game stats.

Not always.

 

[Copper Griz]

This thread has the potential to go 17 pages. The last page reminds me of 7th grade algebra. CDA at least kept the damn thing interesting and hilarious. This thing is really fairly simple. Griz fans think the cats are overrated and have not played anyone worthwhile. Cat fans think the Griz are over rated and have not played anyone worthwhile. The cats played a team that beat the Griz, so cat fans believe their team is now world beaters. Griz fans think NAU had a hangover game. To me it ultimately sound something like this - da, dee, da, da, da! Good thing for both sides - we get to find out who is better come November. I peronsally think the Griz will dominate based on several factors. 1. Their plane is always on time. 2. Their helmets are way cooler. 3. Fat girls are going to collapse the bleachers in Bozeman and their stadium will look even more ridiculous. 4. Missoula has a five guys burger and fries. Bozeman has Burger King. 5. Bozeman smells like cat piss. 6. Bozeman has a kitten for a mascot and he has never won the Capital One challenge. Take it to the bank bitches.

 

[Htowngriz]

One more thing to add. The other reason I think it's a more accurate picture is because it's a league game. I'm not saying the coaches intentionally try harder to win league games than non conf... but it's apparent to me that they use those games to work things out, tune things up, gearing up for the more important BSC race. Nowhere in the Bobcat team goals does it directly say "Beat SFA". the three goals they have written down for this season, as is usually the case unless something's changed, are 1: Win the BSC. 2: Beat the Griz. 3: Win the National Championship. Everything the program does is centered on achieving those three goals.

Why am I not surprised that 'beat the Griz' is above 'win the national championship'? :lol: :roll:

 

[AZGrizFan]

One more thing to add. The other reason I think it's a more accurate picture is because it's a league game. I'm not saying the coaches intentionally try harder to win league games than non conf... but it's apparent to me that they use those games to work things out, tune things up, gearing up for the more important BSC race. Nowhere in the Bobcat team goals does it directly say "Beat SFA". the three goals they have written down for this season, as is usually the case unless something's changed, are 1: Win the BSC. 2: Beat the Griz. 3: Win the National Championship. Everything the program does is centered on achieving those three goals.

Interesting. Griz goals go like this:

1) Win National Championship
2) Everything else

 

[info]

One more thing to add. The other reason I think it's a more accurate picture is because it's a league game. I'm not saying the coaches intentionally try harder to win league games than non conf... but it's apparent to me that they use those games to work things out, tune things up, gearing up for the more important BSC race. Nowhere in the Bobcat team goals does it directly say "Beat SFA". the three goals they have written down for this season, as is usually the case unless something's changed, are 1: Win the BSC. 2: Beat the Griz. 3: Win the National Championship. Everything the program does is centered on achieving those three goals.

Remember one of your league games is against North Dakota, we played them too and boatraced 'em just like you did, either add that game into your "mix" or the camparison of league versus non-league dosen't fly...so we're 2-1 in league and your 2-0. :thumb:

 

[WILD_CAT]

This thread has the potential to go 17 pages. The last page reminds me of 7th grade algebra. CDA at least kept the damn thing interesting and hilarious. This thing is really fairly simple. Griz fans think the cats are overrated and have not played anyone worthwhile. Cat fans think the Griz are over rated and have not played anyone worthwhile. The cats played a team that beat the Griz, so cat fans believe their team is now world beaters. Griz fans think NAU had a hangover game. To me it ultimately sound something like this - da, dee, da, da, da! Good thing for both sides - we get to find out who is better come November. I peronsally think the Griz will dominate based on several factors. 1. Their plane is always on time. 2. Their helmets are way cooler. 3. Fat girls are going to collapse the bleachers in Bozeman and their stadium will look even more ridiculous. 4. Missoula has a five guys burger and fries. Bozeman has Burger King. 5. Bozeman smells like cat piss. 6. Bozeman has a kitten for a mascot and he has never won the Capital One challenge. Take it to the bank bitches.

At least you guys still have Monte :thumb:

 

[WILD_CAT]

One more thing to add. The other reason I think it's a more accurate picture is because it's a league game. I'm not saying the coaches intentionally try harder to win league games than non conf... but it's apparent to me that they use those games to work things out, tune things up, gearing up for the more important BSC race. Nowhere in the Bobcat team goals does it directly say "Beat SFA". the three goals they have written down for this season, as is usually the case unless something's changed, are 1: Win the BSC. 2: Beat the Griz. 3: Win the National Championship. Everything the program does is centered on achieving those three goals.

Interesting. Griz goals go like this:

1) Win National Championship
2) Everything else

Boy the last 3-4 years, everything ELSE sure covers a LOT