UM is fine; Need to beat Sac St and then USD

[PlayerRep]

That is one Hell of a rosy prediction PR......I understand the "think positive" part but let's be real......the Griz haven't beat a good team.....they endured an epic beatdown by an average team like NAU....and they got the tough part of the schedule coming up. Don't mislead the troops by making Pollyannish predictions...it just hurts the ones you love. :mrgreen:

Saying that a 6-2 team, coming off a close loss to the no. 3 team, just has to take care of business by beating Sac St and USD, is hardly painting a "rosy picture". It's very realistic. If UM can get on a roll, as it often does starting about Nov. 1, then UM can do well in the playoffs--even if on the road after round 1.

If NAU is your definition of an "average" team, then MSU has not played any good teams either, and it's best win is over an "average" team. MSU is 6-2, just like UM. It also has a bad loss to a bad team. UM's wins over CP, PSU and App St, are better than UM's wins over Monmouth, NAU and Weber. I enjoy seeing the hypocrisy of a Cat fan saying 6-2 UM doesn't have any good wins, when 6-2 MSU hasn't had any good wins (in fact only less impressive wins). Personally, I think analyzing the "quality" of wins often doesn't make much sense, because they are still wins, and sometimes they are multi-TD wins.

MSU's last 3 games are EWU on the road, SU, and UM. MSU isn't likely to win all those games.

We'll see if UM can hold serve on the road, and then if they are on a roll coming into the Cat game. If so, UM will beat the Cats. It remains to be seen how UM responds. Sac St has been a tough road game for UM in most years, even when UM is good and Sac St is bad. Sac St has really come on after early season losses. The game concerns me.

 

[ranco]

The Griz are an average team with a great quarter back. I think we will make the playoffs, but barely.

 

[IdaGriz01]

I honestly think we're right where we need to be. We have 4 more regular season games before the playoffs, and this is about the time of the season when we normally start clicking. And I'd rather be firing on all cylinders at the end of the season rather than at the beginning and having a letdown in the playoffs.

Good post PR. A team can learn an awful lot about itself when it plays a close game against a good team like EWU, even if it is a loss. The players should be very proud of how they played yesterday. This is a good team that I think is getting better, which is what you want.

Some interesting stats:
Not including D-II Okie-Pan, the combined win-loss record of the teams the Griz have beaten so far is 14-27 (34%). (The two losses were to 6-2 teams.) The combined record for the next three Griz opponents is 9-15 (37.5%). So just on the overall records, it is not at all unrealistic to project that UM could win those three and go into the Brawl with 9-2 record. Just sayin'.

And, as I said on another thread, I am really proud of the team's effort yesterday, and they should be too.

 

[Htowngriz]

That is one Hell of a rosy prediction PR......I understand the "think positive" part but let's be real......the Griz haven't beat a good team.....they endured an epic beatdown by an average team like NAU....and they got the tough part of the schedule coming up. Don't mislead the troops by making Pollyannish predictions...it just hurts the ones you love. :mrgreen:

Never underestimate the scats ability to shit the bed in the brawl, especially in Bozeman. We hadn't beaten a "good" team heading into that game in 2011, either.

 

[Htowngriz]

The Griz are an average team with a great quarter back. I think we will make the playoffs, but barely.

I think we're an above-average team with below-average coaching.

 

[Htowngriz]

The season so far, including the comeback today, makes me believe the Griz are good, but not quite there yet. UM needs to not lose to Sac State (always a tough road game) and USD, both on the road. If so, with a win over Weber, UM will be 8-3 going into the Cat game. We can beat the Cats, and I think we will.

Unless UM wins out, UM is probably coming into the playoffs through the back door. Will have to get some wins after the road, except perhaps round one. Fine, I look forward to beating EWU at their slum. Maybe we'll get another chance at NAU. Can definitely beat them.

EWU is good and better than I thought. They deserved to win today. I'll do a thread later on my view of the game.

I'm still very hopeful. I like alot of what I've seen. We should support the team and coaches. I still think we're going somewhere.

Hats off to EWU for the "W" but I'm not sure they "deserved" to win. We had plenty of chances to win.

If you need a miraculous 4th quarter comeback and an onside kick recovery to even have a chance, I'm not sure you really "deserve" to win. Same same with the game last year; we pushed Eastern around for most of the game and took our foot off the gas too soon. The biggest difference being (obviously) they recovered their onside and we did not.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

That is one Hell of a rosy prediction PR......I understand the "think positive" part but let's be real......the Griz haven't beat a good team.....they endured an epic beatdown by an average team like NAU....and they got the tough part of the schedule coming up. Don't mislead the troops by making Pollyannish predictions...it just hurts the ones you love. :mrgreen:

If we could stop with the "You haven't beat a good team yet", that'd be greeeaaaaaat!

Cal Poly is a good team and their record doesn't show it. They're tough to beat. But I do think that there's a very good chance the Griz can win the next few games to have a 9-2 record going into Cat/Griz. :thumb:

It all depends on how many BSC teams are going to get playoff bids. The Griz don't control their own destiny to a BSC title. If the Griz finish 3rd in the BSC are they a " lock" for a playoff bid with a record if 10-2? There could be a crowd at the top of the BSC at the end of the season. NAU has a favorable schedule from now on . What if NAU wins out? Where does that put UM ?

 

[grizcountry420]

What happens if we end the season 8-4?

 

[stubbins]

What happens if we end the season 8-4?

It depends on what the rest of the big sky does, but four losses means we probably lost to the only teams we Played with winning records...id say zilcho playoff games.

 

[PlayerRep]

What happens if we end the season 8-4?

We go to the playoffs and have a round 1 game at home. Win. And then start the long road' on the road, in the back door. I suppose there is a slim chance that 8-4 gets us a top 8 seed. Like a loss to SS or UND, and then a win over the Cats.

 

[stubbins]

What happens if we end the season 8-4?

We go to the playoffs and have a round 1 game at home. Win. And then start the long road' on the road, in the back door. I suppose there is a slim chance that 8-4 gets us a top 8 seed. Like a loss to SS or UND, and then a win over the Cats.

If 4 other big sky teams finish ahead of the griz, with no wins over a winning team...no way in Helsinki.

 

[Grizzlies1982]

It all depends on how many BSC teams are going to get playoff bids. The Griz don't control their own destiny to a BSC title. If the Griz finish 3rd in the BSC are they a " lock" for a playoff bid with a record if 10-2? There could be a crowd at the top of the BSC at the end of the season. NAU has a favorable schedule from now on . What if NAU wins out? Where does that put UM ?

Montana's road map to the playoffs is quite clear regardless of what anyone else does. The Griz are 6-2 with four games left. It's possible we could lose all four. Yet it is more probable they win out. Anything is possible. Though the odds of winning the conference are about an eyelash above zero. So it comes down to the old saying "Win and you're in" for an at large.

A 10-2 Griz team is likely among the 8 seeded teams with a bye.
A 9-3 Montana is playoff bound (especially if the only losses are other playoff teams).
An 8-4 record probably has less than a 50-50 chance of getting into the playoffs as there may be a slew of other four loss programs around the country. If EWU, NAU, & MSU are going into the playoffs the committee may decide not to send a fourth team from the Big Sky.

So as in the thread title; "Need to beat Sac St, then So Dakota", then Weber, then the cats. This team can still put themselves into a good position. Just need to win one at a time.
:ugeek:

 

[Potomac Griz]

the Griz haven't beat a good team.....they endured an epic beatdown by an average team like NAU....and they got the tough part of the schedule coming up. Don't mislead the troops by making Pollyannish predictions...it just hurts the ones you love. :mrgreen:

You do realize your argument that NAU is an "average team" also means that the Cats haven't beaten a good team either, right? I have to disagree though that NAU isn't a good team. They are top 25, 6-2 right now (same record as both of our teams) with one loss being @Arizona, and the other being @MSU. Unlike the Griz you guys had the benefit of playing them at home, which makes a big difference.

Plus the cats (unlike the Griz) lost to a shitty team that even Weber beat (SFA). Yeah, it was without McGhee, but your defense is the group that gave up 52 points... which btw is more than Weber, McMurry and Prairie View A&M gave up to SFA. So at least the Griz have beaten all the bad teams on their schedule so far, unlike the cats

 

[Teton Cat]

the Griz haven't beat a good team.....they endured an epic beatdown by an average team like NAU....and they got the tough part of the schedule coming up. Don't mislead the troops by making Pollyannish predictions...it just hurts the ones you love. :mrgreen:

You do realize your argument that NAU is an "average team" also means that the Cats haven't beaten a good team either, right? I have to disagree though that NAU isn't a good team. They are top 25, 6-2 right now (same record as both of our teams) with one loss being @Arizona, and the other being @MSU. Unlike the Griz you guys had the benefit of playing them at home, which makes a big difference.

Plus the cats (unlike the Griz) lost to a shitty team that even Weber beat (SFA). Yeah, it was without McGhee, but your defense is the group that gave up 52 points... which btw is more than Weber, McMurry and Prairie View A&M gave up to SFA. So at least the Griz have beaten all the bad teams on their schedule so far, unlike the cats

Yeah....I'd like to see the 2013 fizzlegriz take on the Texas speed of SFA without their "best quarterback in the BSC; BAR NONE".....NAU is still giggeling!!!!

 

[PlayerRep]

What happens if we end the season 8-4?

We go to the playoffs and have a round 1 game at home. Win. And then start the long road' on the road, in the back door. I suppose there is a slim chance that 8-4 gets us a top 8 seed. Like a loss to SS or UND, and then a win over the Cats.

If 4 other big sky teams finish ahead of the griz, with no wins over a winning team...no way in Helsinki.

Your scenario isn't going to happen, but I'll bet you $1,000 that if it does, UM will go to the playoffs. The Sports Network was predicting 5 Big Sky teams to the playoffs earlier in the season. 24 teams will be selected. Who do you think would be selected if an 8-4 team from the Big Sky, with the name Montana, isn't going to make it? Jeez, look at the top 25, and then go see who they have to play the rest of the season.

CAA - has 3 teams without 3 losses. Del., with 3, has to play Towson, WM, Richmond and Villanova.

Big South - Even Gardner Webb has 4 losses. Do you think Charleston Southern will go as the 2d place team?

MEAC - 2d place SC St is 5-3

MVC - only 2 teams don't already have 4 losses

NE - the 2d place team has 3 losses

Ohio Valley - the 3d place teams have 2 losses, and very weak conference

Patriot - 2 teams with less than 4 losses, and what's up with undefeated Fordham not qualifying for the conference championship?

Pioneer - they only have 1 team with less than 3 losses, and it's a very weak conference

Southern - 3d place team has 3 losses

Southland - has 3 teams with less than 3 losses. 6-2 SE La has McNeese, Central Ark, SHS and Nichols.

Again, who do you think will be in the 24 team playoffs?

 

[Potomac Griz]

Yeah....I'd like to see the 2013 fizzlegriz take on the Texas speed of SFA without their "best quarterback in the BSC; BAR NONE".....NAU is still giggeling!!!!

Weber was able to handle the "Texas speed" of SFA quite well... In fact they gave up less points to SFA than you did, oh and of course they won...which you didn't :lol:

You guys haven't even faced a team in the top 5 for total offense in the Big Sky this year. The Griz have faced 3 of the top 5 so far (PSU, EWU & CP). I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you guys play EWU in 2 weeks.

Seriously... if SFA (you know, the team WEBER beat) was able to put up 52 points on your swiss cheese defense what do you think EWU will do to it? I really look forward to that game & reading your forum afterwards. :mrgreen:

 

[Teton Cat]

Yeah....I'd like to see the 2013 fizzlegriz take on the Texas speed of SFA without their "best quarterback in the BSC; BAR NONE".....NAU is still giggeling!!!!

Weber was able to handle the "Texas speed" of SFA quite well... In fact they gave up less points to SFA than you did, oh and of course they won...which you didn't :lol:

You guys haven't even faced a team in the top 5 for total offense in the Big Sky this year. The Griz have faced 3 of the top 5 so far (PSU, EWU & CP). I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you guys play EWU in 2 weeks.

Seriously... if SFA (you know, the team WEBER beat) was able to put up 52 points on your swiss cheese defense what do you think EWU will do to it? I really look forward to that game & reading your forum afterwards. :mrgreen:

Yup.....the Griz are really, really, good this year. They just take my breath away!! :mrgreen:

 

[Potomac Griz]

Yeah....I'd like to see the 2013 fizzlegriz take on the Texas speed of SFA without their "best quarterback in the BSC; BAR NONE".....NAU is still giggeling!!!!

Weber was able to handle the "Texas speed" of SFA quite well... In fact they gave up less points to SFA than you did, oh and of course they won...which you didn't :lol:

You guys haven't even faced a team in the top 5 for total offense in the Big Sky this year. The Griz have faced 3 of the top 5 so far (PSU, EWU & CP). I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you guys play EWU in 2 weeks.

Seriously... if SFA (you know, the team WEBER beat) was able to put up 52 points on your swiss cheese defense what do you think EWU will do to it? I really look forward to that game & reading your forum afterwards. :mrgreen:

Yup.....the Griz are really, really, good this year. They just take my breath away!! :mrgreen:

My post isn't really about the Griz, it's about your defense (or lack of) and how they'll be abused all day by EWU. Nice try on avoiding that topic though. It shows you know what's going to happen when you play EWU :mrgreen:

 

[Teton Cat]

Yeah....I'd like to see the 2013 fizzlegriz take on the Texas speed of SFA without their "best quarterback in the BSC; BAR NONE".....NAU is still giggeling!!!!

Weber was able to handle the "Texas speed" of SFA quite well... In fact they gave up less points to SFA than you did, oh and of course they won...which you didn't :lol:

You guys haven't even faced a team in the top 5 for total offense in the Big Sky this year. The Griz have faced 3 of the top 5 so far (PSU, EWU & CP). I'm afraid you're in for a rude awakening when you guys play EWU in 2 weeks.

Seriously... if SFA (you know, the team WEBER beat) was able to put up 52 points on your swiss cheese defense what do you think EWU will do to it? I really look forward to that game & reading your forum afterwards. :mrgreen:

Yup.....the Griz are really, really, good this year. They just take my breath away!! :mrgreen:

My post isn't really about the Griz, it's about your defense (or lack of) and how they'll be abused all day by EWU. Nice try on avoiding that topic though. It shows you know what's going to happen when you play EWU :mrgreen:

Read the top of the thread before you start posting then.....and then you can answer my question "How would the Griz do against SFA without their all world BSC bar none QB" I don't want to wait all night. :mrgreen:

 

[Potomac Griz]

Read the top of the thread before you start posting then.....and then you can answer my question "How would the Griz do against SFA without their all world BSC bar none QB" I don't want to wait all night. :mrgreen:

Oh I know what the thread is about. I just found your "Griz haven't beat anyone & NAU is average" schtick absolutely hilarious considering that by your own definition the Cats haven't beat anyone good either and yet you are confident the cats are world beaters.

Now how would the Griz do against SFA? Well, we have no way of knowing that do we? How would the Cats do against NAU on the road? Who knows!

One other thing we will know in a couple weeks is how the Cats do against EWU. I hope you pop by after that game if you can pull yourself away from making excuses on BCN :mrgreen: