UM has 'enrollment problem,' Engstrom tells regents

[grizindabox]

So now criminals are not enrolling at UM?

GOOD


Way to clean it up RE! :thumb:

Do you have a link or information that breaks down the students by demographics? I would like to see the shrinking piece of the pie for criminals from the last couple years in a purdy graph or somethin'

 

[GlacierGrizX]

I know there is a problem with Uof M, when I have watched the last two televised Griz football games on the T.V! During both of these two broadcasts there were 4-5 MSU ads. However; I did not see ONE Uof M ad during the same broadcasts. To me, thats almost a backhand by the adminstration, not taking a little time to showcase the academics during the game. Alot of people I know, have mentioned the same thing.

 

[tgreseth]

IMO enrollment issues at UM have two main driving factors..1) Engstrom is a duesch!! 2) The jobs that are available in this country and that companies and corporations are looking for in the future are not available to a large degree at the UM. We do good in areas like the sciences and pharmacy..but than again we have a huge number of students that go into dumb shit that wont get you a job anywhere like the History of French poetry and bull shit like that. If UM wants to see the kids come back they will do more investing in tech programs and programs that feed into the economic activity in the region...ie OIL BOOM. But instead the UM is the first to throw a stone and bash any type of economic activity that has high paying jobs(energy extraction). While in Watford I work and deal with graduates from Montana State and NDSU on a daily basis, and this is because those schools don't turn their heads to the direction jobs in this country are going.

I'm now stepping off my soapbox!!

Haineux allant détester. Qui va vicaire tous ces fantastiques ballades d'amour, hein?

Vôtre dans le lien

 

[Grizaholic16]

I think we all know why there's been a significant drop in enrollment. We had a bad year in 2011 and it carried over to 2012. I also believe people find engineering extremely profitable nowadays. However, UM is still going to be the state leader for academics. This is a temporary lull. I think we will be seeing the resurgence in enrollement come next fall. UM is world class. Not only that, but the campus, the professors, and the environment are 10 times superior to Bozeman. No offense to them. The drop in enrollment is not a result of Engstrom being president in any way...that's just foolish talk.

 

[Grisly Fan]

I think we all know why there's been a significant drop in enrollment. We had a bad year in 2011 and it carried over to 2012. I also believe people find engineering extremely profitable nowadays. However, UM is still going to be the state leader for academics. This is a temporary lull. I think we will be seeing the resurgence in enrollement come next fall. UM is world class. Not only that, but the campus, the professors, and the environment are 10 times superior to Bozeman. No offense to them. The drop in enrollment is not a result of Engstrom being president in any way...that's just foolish talk.

So you are saying it just happens to be a coincidence that it occurred shortly after his taking office? There is no connection whatsoever? What is the evidence that supports your position? There is plenty of evidence that suggests otherwise...

 

[wbtfg]

I think we all know why there's been a significant drop in enrollment. We had a bad year in 2011 and it carried over to 2012. I also believe people find engineering extremely profitable nowadays. However, UM is still going to be the state leader for academics. This is a temporary lull. I think we will be seeing the resurgence in enrollement come next fall. UM is world class. Not only that, but the campus, the professors, and the environment are 10 times superior to Bozeman. No offense to them. The drop in enrollment is not a result of Engstrom being president in any way...that's just foolish talk.

Yeah....no need to ramp up recruiting or change anything that's been done in the past. Students will come simply because it's UM. Just keep on keepin on.....

 

[grizfromhel]

So you imply that engineering is not "academic" ?? This seems to be part of the arrogance that is so prevalent in Missoula and other liberal arts campus's. The days when you go to undergraduate school and take anthropology courses and Renaissance literature and walk out into the job world and snag a good job are over. Employers are looking for applicants with relevant academic preparation for the positions they are being hired for---- they are calling the shots in the depressed Obama economy.

 

[ranco]

obviously Grizaholic has been tipping the bottle a bit much. The sooner RE leaves the better off UM will be.

 

[84GRIZ]

From personal experience, my daughter spent 2+ years in the university and discovered that none of the freshmen level classes were available to her because they were full. So, in order to finish in 4 years she now discovered it was likely to take 5+ years to get her undergrad degree. This is a huge problem that needs to be addressed by the university. I would wager that if interviewed, most exiting seniors did not get it done in 4 years...simply because the classes needed were not available in the order they needed to get through them. This is just one issue to be addressed!

Kind of the same thing for my daughter. Was pre-med and basically has a minor in Biology before she decided to switch to International Business her junior year last year. Was told it was going to take three more years to graduate by her first shitty business advisor because she was going to have to take a bunch of pre-req. 100 level science classes that were all full.

Went to a new advisor who figured out that a 300 level Micro-biology class should qualify to offset a 100 level Earth Science class.

 

[UofMGrizFan]

This! :clap:

I know there is a problem with Uof M, when I have watched the last two televised Griz football games on the T.V! During both of these two broadcasts there were 4-5 MSU ads. However; I did not see ONE Uof M ad during the same broadcasts. To me, thats almost a backhand by the adminstration, not taking a little time to showcase the academics during the game. Alot of people I know, have mentioned the same thing.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

So you imply that engineering is not "academic" ?? This seems to be part of the arrogance that is so prevalent in Missoula and other liberal arts campus's. The days when you go to undergraduate school and take anthropology courses and Renaissance literature and walk out into the job world and snag a good job are over. Employers are looking for applicants with relevant academic preparation for the positions they are being hired for---- they are calling the shots in the depressed Obama economy.

This guy gets it. :thumb: The fact that Montana wants to keep its old liberal ways is now catching up with them in placing students in positions to go out and find jobs. See my post before. Don't get me wrong I love Missoula and the UofM and had a great experience there, but the programs they provide need to catch up with the times we live in. For example, I was a geography/ development and planning major, I was one of about 3 kids in the planning dept that chose this route, the others decided to go into more environmental emphasis programs because they offer much more options from the Universities side of things.
Long story short...I had a job before I graduated already waiting for me, most of the dept... including the TAs' are still in Missoula or searching for employment.
#realworld hahaha

 

[bigkid]

Regarding Montana State University and The University of Montana and the presidents at each school........................the one with balls lives in Bozeman.

 

[wbtfg]

Which is ironic considering Cruzado has an arts and humanities background, and Engstrom's background is in the hard sciences.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Please move this thread to the "politics" department.

 

[PlayerRep]

Please move this thread to the "politics" department.

Nope, it deserves to be here. Reduced enrollment leads to reduced funding, which leads to budget cuts--for the university as a whole and the athletic department. Athletic budget cuts impact football. Budget cuts have already caused the university to stop giving the very small scholarships to the dance team (and presumably the cheer squad). No wonder the place is falling apart.

 

[MrTitleist]

I think we all know why there's been a significant drop in enrollment. We had a bad year in 2011 and it carried over to 2012. I also believe people find engineering extremely profitable nowadays. However, UM is still going to be the state leader for academics. This is a temporary lull. I think we will be seeing the resurgence in enrollement come next fall. UM is world class. Not only that, but the campus, the professors, and the environment are 10 times superior to Bozeman. No offense to them. The drop in enrollment is not a result of Engstrom being president in any way...that's just foolish talk.

Royce?

UM is not world class.. the latest Forbes rankings have UM listed pretty pathetically. I think it was listed as 400+ in academic ranking. That's not much ahead of Boise State, a trucker college. MSU was far ahead of UM, if memory serves correct. UM turns out too many senseless degrees where there is zero employment opportunities. MSU and Tech are kicking UMs ass in putting people in jobs, especially keeping kids in-state.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I think we all know why there's been a significant drop in enrollment. We had a bad year in 2011 and it carried over to 2012. I also believe people find engineering extremely profitable nowadays. However, UM is still going to be the state leader for academics. This is a temporary lull. I think we will be seeing the resurgence in enrollement come next fall. UM is world class. Not only that, but the campus, the professors, and the environment are 10 times superior to Bozeman. No offense to them. The drop in enrollment is not a result of Engstrom being president in any way...that's just foolish talk.

Royce?

UM is not world class.. the latest Forbes rankings have UM listed pretty pathetically. I think it was listed as 400+ in academic ranking. That's not much ahead of Boise State, a trucker college. MSU was far ahead of UM, if memory serves correct. UM turns out too many senseless degrees where there is zero employment opportunities. MSU and Tech are kicking UMs ass in putting people in jobs, especially keeping kids in-state.

:thumb: :thumb: Again what my last two posts stated!!!

 

[mcg]

So you imply that engineering is not "academic" ?? This seems to be part of the arrogance that is so prevalent in Missoula and other liberal arts campus's. The days when you go to undergraduate school and take anthropology courses and Renaissance literature and walk out into the job world and snag a good job are over. Employers are looking for applicants with relevant academic preparation for the positions they are being hired for---- they are calling the shots in the depressed Obama economy.

I'm curious as to why it's the "depressed Obama economy"? Since Mr. Obama became president both the economy and employment have grown.

Your point is well taken, although I don't think there was ever a time where graduates in Anthropology and Renaissance Literature fared particularly well in the job market.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

My senior year the planning dept studied and monitored very closely the conversation on whether or not the University should build a brand new state of the art Tech School on the golf course area. YOU CANNOT IMAGINE the push back and comment we received opposed to using the space for the school.

While I think the golf course and open space are good for the community..IMO it is the job of Universities to provide students the best resources and opportunities available to them in order to graduate and find a job to be successful in life after college. This tech school would do just that. To me that is more important than maintaining some open space in the heart of the University District. In many communities this would have been a no brainer, in Missoula it almost caused WW3!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

So you imply that engineering is not "academic" ?? This seems to be part of the arrogance that is so prevalent in Missoula and other liberal arts campus's. The days when you go to undergraduate school and take anthropology courses and Renaissance literature and walk out into the job world and snag a good job are over. Employers are looking for applicants with relevant academic preparation for the positions they are being hired for---- they are calling the shots in the depressed Obama economy.

I'm curious as to why it's the "depressed Obama economy"? Since Mr. Obama became president both the economy and employment have grown.
Your point is well taken, although I don't think there was ever a time where graduates in Anthropology and Renaissance Literature fared particularly well in the job market.

It's grown because it damn near bottomed out, and it hasn't grown because of Obama backed industries( how well has the billions invested in green energy panned out in growing our economy) but instead the very industries that Obama chastised and swore to reduce like energy extraction companies have reignited our economy drastically. The shale oil revolution in our country is a driving factor behind our economy coming back. NOT OBAMA!