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UM Griz vs. Weber St. BSC Tourney 2nd Round
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Bear Axed said:
Stew Morrill at CSU/USU.
In the first two games of the Big Sky Conference Tournament:
Game 1: Vasquez 21 pts and Whitney had 13.
Game 2: Beasley 23 pts and Anderson 16.
I think that in a nutshell is why this team is so maddening. Vasquez had 5 last night, Whitney had 7. Beasley is the only player to score in double figures both games. Our scoring just doesn't come from consistent places and in consistent ways. When you get games close and late, this team doesn't likely have a primary anything. Just a lot of guys who can score, but may not, and we clearly don't have that beefy power perimeter player that everything goes through.
That being said that was the loosest they were in the last 5 minutes of the game in quite some time offensively. They didn't convert free throws and like all game couldn't hold on to the ball. Weber State converted and threw up some trash that went in.
Like a lot of the games Travis has coached against Rahe, he has an amazing habit of making someone disappear. Brown was a non-factor most of the night, mostly a facilitator while they just pounded away inside. Travis tweeked his defensive philosophy and allowed Bannan, Anderson and Owens to play a lot more with out contact, soft even to let Carlson, Kozak and others get the ball. WSU's posts were good, but the methodology kept the ball out of Brown's hands. The Griz have more players who can defend perimeter types and they gave up post entry. They played more straight up traditional post defense and while it conceded position a lot, it allowed them to pack the middle and Jawara and Brown didn't have a lot of access to cheap baskets. Pretty smart defensive strategy.
EWU is a tougher nut to crack in creating a smart defensive plan, because they kill you so many ways. In is out, out is in and you know Legans boys are going to be next level hyped for this game.
Game 1: Vasquez 21 pts and Whitney had 13.
Game 2: Beasley 23 pts and Anderson 16.
I think that in a nutshell is why this team is so maddening. Vasquez had 5 last night, Whitney had 7. Beasley is the only player to score in double figures both games. Our scoring just doesn't come from consistent places and in consistent ways. When you get games close and late, this team doesn't likely have a primary anything. Just a lot of guys who can score, but may not, and we clearly don't have that beefy power perimeter player that everything goes through.
That being said that was the loosest they were in the last 5 minutes of the game in quite some time offensively. They didn't convert free throws and like all game couldn't hold on to the ball. Weber State converted and threw up some trash that went in.
Like a lot of the games Travis has coached against Rahe, he has an amazing habit of making someone disappear. Brown was a non-factor most of the night, mostly a facilitator while they just pounded away inside. Travis tweeked his defensive philosophy and allowed Bannan, Anderson and Owens to play a lot more with out contact, soft even to let Carlson, Kozak and others get the ball. WSU's posts were good, but the methodology kept the ball out of Brown's hands. The Griz have more players who can defend perimeter types and they gave up post entry. They played more straight up traditional post defense and while it conceded position a lot, it allowed them to pack the middle and Jawara and Brown didn't have a lot of access to cheap baskets. Pretty smart defensive strategy.
EWU is a tougher nut to crack in creating a smart defensive plan, because they kill you so many ways. In is out, out is in and you know Legans boys are going to be next level hyped for this game.
So against Idaho, we fail to make a field goal for the first three minutes, but then top even that by not making a field goal for the last EIGHT minutes of the game.
But we still win.
Against Weber, we commit 19 turnovers, miss critical foul shots down the stretch and blow a 16-point lead with only six minutes to go.
But we still win.
Hey! We must be pretty good!
But we still win.
Against Weber, we commit 19 turnovers, miss critical foul shots down the stretch and blow a 16-point lead with only six minutes to go.
But we still win.
Hey! We must be pretty good!
But let's not kid ourselves. Our response to their full-court pressure was dismal. Two things stood out.
--We did not take the ball our fast enough. We stood there while they got all their players in place. Grab that ball and inbound it quick, before they can get set up!
--In a game I watched in Portland several years against the Vikings, we handled their press easily by posting a big man, Akoh, side center-court as an outlet. Last night we trusted our three guards to get the up-court. But against a press, you have to have the ability to throw the ball over the press, as we did so effectively against Portland State. I didn't see that last night.
Who was the poster who said after the game last night he was going to go have his heart attack now? Cardiac kids indeed.
But now we've got an important "Sixth Man: "Ol' Mo'". You go a long ways when he's on your side.
--We did not take the ball our fast enough. We stood there while they got all their players in place. Grab that ball and inbound it quick, before they can get set up!
--In a game I watched in Portland several years against the Vikings, we handled their press easily by posting a big man, Akoh, side center-court as an outlet. Last night we trusted our three guards to get the up-court. But against a press, you have to have the ability to throw the ball over the press, as we did so effectively against Portland State. I didn't see that last night.
Who was the poster who said after the game last night he was going to go have his heart attack now? Cardiac kids indeed.
But now we've got an important "Sixth Man: "Ol' Mo'". You go a long ways when he's on your side.
I agree, the trap all year has caused this group fits. They didn't have much of an answer to the 1-2-2 or 1-2-1-1 that Weber was running. I like the run and jump traps because of how much it speeds up the opposition into making stupid decisions.citay said:
The flash to space is a great man breaker, but I've struggled using it myself over the years as a zone one because it results in way too much dribbling into trap zones. I know a lot of coaches prefer it because the are no rules, just reading the defense and less likely to have in bounds blown up. Moreover with elite athletic guards, they can typically break those run traps by dribbling through it. I see the logic, but it wasn't executed to say the least last night.
I don't know what the answer the is, because I really don't have one. I have a preference and it is similar to yours.I like the post flash (deep middle opposite to FT line area) because it creates clear reverse passing angles out of traps and spreads the defense to the full width of the floor. I prefer press breaks where the primary ball handlers can see the whole floor and that is why I like post flash stuff because generally it creates depth and width to the press break rather than all the obtuse angles from the free flash that we saw last night.
hunt-ducks
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It was a great win last evening against a solid Weber team. Our turnover bug showed itself once again though. We had 19 turnovers, and many of them were just due to lazy passes, or the player receiving the pass not coming to meet the pass. The general consensus in basketball is that a turnover is worth one-point. Montana has been a consistent turnover machine all season. Every team has turnovers, but if we could cut the turnover rate from 19 down to 11-12 per game, all of those close losses we incurred this season would have been wins.
One other thought is that I think Travis took the air out of the basketball too early last night. We had a big lead, but there was still enough time for Weber to make a run, which they did. I have never been an advocate of "playing-not-to-lose", and I think we should have kept the foot on the gas for 2-3 more minutes before slowing the game down.
One other thought is that I think Travis took the air out of the basketball too early last night. We had a big lead, but there was still enough time for Weber to make a run, which they did. I have never been an advocate of "playing-not-to-lose", and I think we should have kept the foot on the gas for 2-3 more minutes before slowing the game down.
AllWeatherFan said:
Travis has won 8 of last 11 vs Weber
IdaGriz01 said:
Parker was awesome too and has been all year. He is very reliable. He made some big-time buckets at the rim over the top of some huge defenders
Randy Rahe's nightmares are always the same. He's sleeping peacefully and restfully. Then suddenly, he's shaken violently. When he awakes, he sees that it's Wayne Tinkle who shook him, and right behind Wayne is TDC yelling, "Get up coach!! It's time for the bsc tournament!".
Colter_Nuanez56
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Bear Axed said:
Randy worked for Stew Morrill at Colorado State and Utah State.
Colter_Nuanez56
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WATCH - Big Sky men's tourney quarters: Griz down Weber State once again
https://skylinesportsmt.com/watch-big-sky-mens-tourney-quarters-griz-down-weber-state-once-again/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAsP_DOY5Q
https://skylinesportsmt.com/watch-big-sky-mens-tourney-quarters-griz-down-weber-state-once-again/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAsP_DOY5Q
PhxGriz said:
I totally agree. I pick up my headphones to the jogging radio and listen in, the Griz start sucking, football or basketball. So I shut it the hell off and come back five minutes later and all is better. I already decided, last night, no EWU game. Mark it a 'W.' I'll read about it on eGriz and Colters story.
Coachnelson
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Randy has come to our campus during Timmy and Robbys time together at dublin
High on a recruiting visit and as fate would have it both players have come back to bite
Bite him.hope the guys can Keep the momentum going and take down those eagles.
High on a recruiting visit and as fate would have it both players have come back to bite
Bite him.hope the guys can Keep the momentum going and take down those eagles.
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