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[uofmman1122]

Or you could take away your kid's access to the social media bullying by phone. Just a thought for parents who aren't afraid of their kids.

Man, I've always enjoyed you a lot, so I'm not trying to be a dick here, but when were you last raising kids?! You cannot possibly disconnect a kid from the digital world completely. Its how they get assignments for school, how all of their peers communicate socially, and the people I have seen who grew up sheltered from all things digital in the early 2000's are having a LOT of trouble functioning in the workplace. We just had to let go a person with great potential because they just actually couldn't use the digital tools. They were homeschooled by books and didn't get computer access till after high school, and they just couldn't functionally do my job.

We have passed the point where we can just "take away kids' access to social media" and still have them growing up to be a normal part of society.

Not to mention the fact that taking someone who's feeling isolated and alone and making them more isolated and alone is only going to make everything worse.

Sorry, but bullying is a big deal to me. I had to deal with it pretty heavily in high school and it was terrible, and it always seems like the people who never actually had to deal with it are the loudest ones voicing how "easy it is" to make it stop.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Man, I've always enjoyed you a lot, so I'm not trying to be a dick here, but when were you last raising kids?! You cannot possibly disconnect a kid from the digital world completely. Its how they get assignments for school, how all of their peers communicate socially, and the people I have seen who grew up sheltered from all things digital in the early 2000's are having a LOT of trouble functioning in the workplace. We just had to let go a person with great potential because they just actually couldn't use the digital tools. They were homeschooled by books and didn't get computer access till after high school, and they just couldn't functionally do my job.

We have passed the point where we can just "take away kids' access to social media" and still have them growing up to be a normal part of society.

Not to mention the fact that taking someone who's feeling isolated and alone and making them more isolated and alone is only going to make everything worse.

Sorry, but bullying is a big deal to me. I had to deal with it pretty heavily in high school and it was terrible, and it always seems like the people who never actually had to deal with it are the loudest ones voicing how "easy it is" to make it stop.

No need to be sorry at all. You're right. And as much as I appreciate that poster a lot, he really ignores the "what happens next" part. Okay, the kid is bullying you, so you manage to get a cheap shot in and kick him in the nuts. What happens when he gets up? I haven't seen many times where the bigger, meaner kid goes "oh, you fought back and got me in the balls. I sure do have more respect for you now, and I won't mess with you." The bullying gets worse, or there is an escalation of violence until it goes really bad with school shootings, street beatings, and all kinds of stuff.

People absolutely should learn all they can about how to defend themselves. But more violence is not the answer to stopping violence in a civil society, regardless of who is better at it. We don't let people harass and abuse each other in the workplace. School should be no difference.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Or you could take away your kid's access to the social media bullying by phone. Just a thought for parents who aren't afraid of their kids.

Man, I've always enjoyed you a lot, so I'm not trying to be a dick here, but when were you last raising kids?! You cannot possibly disconnect a kid from the digital world completely. Its how they get assignments for school, how all of their peers communicate socially, and the people I have seen who grew up sheltered from all things digital in the early 2000's are having a LOT of trouble functioning in the workplace. We just had to let go a person with great potential because they just actually couldn't use the digital tools. They were homeschooled by books and didn't get computer access till after high school, and they just couldn't functionally do my job.

We have passed the point where we can just "take away kids' access to social media" and still have them growing up to be a normal part of society.

Just to piggyback off of a great post, the best way to help someone who feels isolated and alone likely isn’t making them the only kid in school without a phone/access to social media.

EDIT: Posted before I saw 1122's post above making the same point.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Man, I've always enjoyed you a lot, so I'm not trying to be a dick here, but when were you last raising kids?! You cannot possibly disconnect a kid from the digital world completely. Its how they get assignments for school, how all of their peers communicate socially, and the people I have seen who grew up sheltered from all things digital in the early 2000's are having a LOT of trouble functioning in the workplace. We just had to let go a person with great potential because they just actually couldn't use the digital tools. They were homeschooled by books and didn't get computer access till after high school, and they just couldn't functionally do my job.

We have passed the point where we can just "take away kids' access to social media" and still have them growing up to be a normal part of society.

Not to mention the fact that taking someone who's feeling isolated and alone and making them more isolated and alone is only going to make everything worse.

Sorry, but bullying is a big deal to me. I had to deal with it pretty heavily in high school and it was terrible, and it always seems like the people who never actually had to deal with it are the loudest ones voicing how "easy it is" to make it stop.

Great post. I also think it really has to do with the last time they were raising kids. I'm sure in the 70s and 80s, a kid could get beat up and that was the end of it. The bully couldn't then harass him online day after day for months on end. Then people say, "Take away online access" . . . as they post online.

I think some of us are similar ages with similarly aged kids. There are different worries now, and we take different precautions. We can't raise our kids like our parents raised us. But our parents' generation will be the first to say how simple the solutions are because it was simple for them. They have no perspective. It's like, don't tell me how easy it is to raise kids, and I won't tell you how easy it is to open a PDF.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Not to mention the fact that taking someone who's feeling isolated and alone and making them more isolated and alone is only going to make everything worse.

Sorry, but bullying is a big deal to me. I had to deal with it pretty heavily in high school and it was terrible, and it always seems like the people who never actually had to deal with it are the loudest ones voicing how "easy it is" to make it stop.

Great post. I also think it really has to do with the last time they were raising kids. I'm sure in the 70s and 80s, a kid could get beat up and that was the end of it. The bully couldn't then harass him online day after day for months on end. Then people say, "Take away online access" . . . as they post online.

I think some of us are similar ages with similarly aged kids. There are different worries now, and we take different precautions. We can't raise our kids like our parents raised us. But our parents' generation will be the first to say how simple the solutions are because it was simple for them. They have no perspective. It's like, don't tell me how easy it is to raise kids, and I won't tell you how easy it is to open a PDF.

We used to send the older brother to school for a day or so. He was an Army Ranger, head of a small sniper unit and door to door guy. Also a rugby player.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Great post. I also think it really has to do with the last time they were raising kids. I'm sure in the 70s and 80s, a kid could get beat up and that was the end of it. The bully couldn't then harass him online day after day for months on end. Then people say, "Take away online access" . . . as they post online.

I think some of us are similar ages with similarly aged kids. There are different worries now, and we take different precautions. We can't raise our kids like our parents raised us. But our parents' generation will be the first to say how simple the solutions are because it was simple for them. They have no perspective. It's like, don't tell me how easy it is to raise kids, and I won't tell you how easy it is to open a PDF.

We used to send the older brother to school for a day or so. He was an Army Ranger, head of a small sniper unit and door to door guy. Also a rugby player.

I don't mean to make it sound like I'm saying our generation's parents did a bad job. I'm just saying it's different now, and "kicking the bully's a**" or "taking away the phone" aren't the simple solutions some are suggesting they are. That's it.

 

[SACCAT66]

Not to mention the fact that taking someone who's feeling isolated and alone and making them more isolated and alone is only going to make everything worse.

Sorry, but bullying is a big deal to me. I had to deal with it pretty heavily in high school and it was terrible, and it always seems like the people who never actually had to deal with it are the loudest ones voicing how "easy it is" to make it stop.

Great post. I also think it really has to do with the last time they were raising kids. I'm sure in the 70s and 80s, a kid could get beat up and that was the end of it. The bully couldn't then harass him online day after day for months on end. Then people say, "Take away online access" . . . as they post online.

I think some of us are similar ages with similarly aged kids. There are different worries now, and we take different precautions. We can't raise our kids like our parents raised us. But our parents' generation will be the first to say how simple the solutions are because it was simple for them. They have no perspective. It's like, don't tell me how easy it is to raise kids, and I won't tell you how easy it is to open a PDF.

Side story... When my wife and I were looking at buying a new house my parents told us "All you need to do is find someone who doesn't need their big house anymore, and trade them for yours". I said "Mom, I love you, but that is an impossible thing that doesn't happen." She replied with "When your dad and I were wanting a bigger house (this was in 1980) we traded our little house (about 900 square feet) plus $40K for the house we live in now (2800 Square feet). Point is, things change. I don't dial a phone by rotating a disk with my fingers that corresponds with the number I need to dial. I also don't look up numbers I need in a huge book that had some white pages, and some yellow pages depending on that business or person that number was assigned to...

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Great post. I also think it really has to do with the last time they were raising kids. I'm sure in the 70s and 80s, a kid could get beat up and that was the end of it. The bully couldn't then harass him online day after day for months on end. Then people say, "Take away online access" . . . as they post online.

I think some of us are similar ages with similarly aged kids. There are different worries now, and we take different precautions. We can't raise our kids like our parents raised us. But our parents' generation will be the first to say how simple the solutions are because it was simple for them. They have no perspective. It's like, don't tell me how easy it is to raise kids, and I won't tell you how easy it is to open a PDF.

Side story... When my wife and I were looking at buying a new house my parents told us "All you need to do is find someone who doesn't need their big house anymore, and trade them for yours". I said "Mom, I love you, but that is an impossible thing that doesn't happen." She replied with "When your dad and I were wanting a bigger house (this was in 1980) we traded our little house (about 900 square feet) plus $40K for the house we live in now (2800 Square feet). Point is, things change. I don't dial a phone by rotating a disk with my fingers that corresponds with the number I need to dial. I also don't look up numbers I need in a huge book that had some white pages, and some yellow pages depending on that business or person that number was assigned to...

:lol: I've had such similar conversations with my parents. "Just walk in there and tell them you want a job. Worked for me." Pops is a regular Hank Hill-type and he watches a ton of CBB. I'll be driving and ask him who won a certain game and I get, "I don't know, your mom threw away the paper already." Cracks me up.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Not to mention the fact that taking someone who's feeling isolated and alone and making them more isolated and alone is only going to make everything worse.

Sorry, but bullying is a big deal to me. I had to deal with it pretty heavily in high school and it was terrible, and it always seems like the people who never actually had to deal with it are the loudest ones voicing how "easy it is" to make it stop.

It's like, don't tell me how easy it is to raise kids, and I won't tell you how easy it is to open a PDF.

I'm going to be honest and admit I just laughed out loud at my desk, and then my work buddy insisted I tell him. So now I have had to admit to someone in real life that I have an eGriz handle. Thanks a lot, CDA.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Or you could take away your kid's access to the social media bullying by phone. Just a thought for parents who aren't afraid of their kids.

Man, I've always enjoyed you a lot, so I'm not trying to be a dick here, but when were you last raising kids?! You cannot possibly disconnect a kid from the digital world completely. Its how they get assignments for school, how all of their peers communicate socially, and the people I have seen who grew up sheltered from all things digital in the early 2000's are having a LOT of trouble functioning in the workplace. We just had to let go a person with great potential because they just actually couldn't use the digital tools. They were homeschooled by books and didn't get computer access till after high school, and they just couldn't functionally do my job.

We have passed the point where we can just "take away kids' access to social media" and still have them growing up to be a normal part of society.

This is absolute horsepucky. You can have internet access without having Facebook, Snap Chat, Tic Tok, Tinder, or Twatter, on your phone or laptop. There are plenty of kids who are never on the internet, so they never get bullied by fellow schoolmates on those god awful sites.

Most everyone here skips over my first point which is how to handle bullying without resorting to self defense. Then they poopoo learning self defense because its too dangerous, assuming all kids are too stupid to recognize danger when the see it, and its better to be passive and go to your room and hide rather than deal with creeps. What's wrong with teaching our kids to step in and defend the weaker kids, on the play ground or on the internet.

A parent's job is to teach their kids how to handle the whole world, good people and bad people. I can't believe the prevailing view here that is there is nothing we can do to teach our children how to use their brains, how to be self reliant, and to know self defense and stick up for others. God help us the snowflake factor runs deep in today's children, and their parents.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Man, I've always enjoyed you a lot, so I'm not trying to be a dick here, but when were you last raising kids?! You cannot possibly disconnect a kid from the digital world completely. Its how they get assignments for school, how all of their peers communicate socially, and the people I have seen who grew up sheltered from all things digital in the early 2000's are having a LOT of trouble functioning in the workplace. We just had to let go a person with great potential because they just actually couldn't use the digital tools. They were homeschooled by books and didn't get computer access till after high school, and they just couldn't functionally do my job.

We have passed the point where we can just "take away kids' access to social media" and still have them growing up to be a normal part of society.

This is absolute horsepucky. You can have internet access without having Facebook, Snap Chat, Tic Tok, Tinder, or Twatter, on your phone or laptop. There are plenty of kids who are never on the internet, so they never get bullied by fellow schoolmates on those god awful sites.

Most everyone here skips over my first point which is how to handle bullying without resorting to self defense. Then they poopoo learning self defense because its too dangerous, assuming all kids are too stupid to recognize danger when the see it, and its better to be passive and go to your room and hide rather than deal with creeps. What's wrong with teaching our kids to step in and defend the weaker kids, on the play ground or on the internet.

A parent's job is to teach their kids how to handle the whole world, good people and bad people. I can't believe the prevailing view here that is there is nothing we can do to teach our children how to use their brains, how to be self reliant, and to know self defense and stick up for others. God help us the snowflake factor runs deep in today's children, and their parents.

Brother, I'm not ignoring your point or poo pooing it. I agree that learnign self defense is important. I learned to wrestle when I was young, though I don't claim I was really any good. I learned boxing in high school, and muay thai and jiu jitsu in college. I will always be thankful I learned small amounts of those skills, and I know I have put more time into those than, i don't know, 75% of humans? I am also not a small man. And I still know that there are tons and tons and tons of people out there that would beat my ass. Let alone if they also carried a blade or some other weapon. The number one thing that learning to fight taught me was that I should avoid fights at all cost, because you never know what will happen and people can get hurt really bad. One bad concussion can change your entire life.

My point is that no matter how tough you get, there is always someone bigger and meaner out there. Rather than teach kids that you better learn to fight or you are just out of luck, we can have institutions like our schools enforce rules and protect kids. You and I agree that we need to prepare our kids for life. I teach mine self defense. I also want to raise a good citizen in society, and one that doesn't go straight to fighting. We would never let people get bullied in the work place legally, and there are systems in place to protect that. Kids deserve to have that in school as well.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Man, I've always enjoyed you a lot, so I'm not trying to be a dick here, but when were you last raising kids?! You cannot possibly disconnect a kid from the digital world completely. Its how they get assignments for school, how all of their peers communicate socially, and the people I have seen who grew up sheltered from all things digital in the early 2000's are having a LOT of trouble functioning in the workplace. We just had to let go a person with great potential because they just actually couldn't use the digital tools. They were homeschooled by books and didn't get computer access till after high school, and they just couldn't functionally do my job.

We have passed the point where we can just "take away kids' access to social media" and still have them growing up to be a normal part of society.

This is absolute horsepucky. You can have internet access without having Facebook, Snap Chat, Tic Tok, Tinder, or Twatter, on your phone or laptop. There are plenty of kids who are never on the internet, so they never get bullied by fellow schoolmates on those god awful sites.

Most everyone here skips over my first point which is how to handle bullying without resorting to self defense. Then they poopoo learning self defense because its too dangerous, assuming all kids are too stupid to recognize danger when the see it, and its better to be passive and go to your room and hide rather than deal with creeps. What's wrong with teaching our kids to step in and defend the weaker kids, on the play ground or on the internet.

A parent's job is to teach their kids how to handle the whole world, good people and bad people. I can't believe the prevailing view here that is there is nothing we can do to teach our children how to use their brains, how to be self reliant, and to know self defense and stick up for others. God help us the snowflake factor runs deep in today's children, and their parents.

First, when did you last have a kid in middle or high school?

Second, on the point of sticking up for others, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But I don't believe that was your original point. I believe you mentioned if your kid is getting bullied, have them learn a martial art. Could work if it was Karate Kid where you can learn anything with a 5-minute training montage, but it won't stop the online stuff. I've read stories of HS football players being bullied online. Black eyes and bloody noses heal, but the assault on a kid's (not yet fully formed) brain can do much more damage. Then again, maybe I'm just a snowflake parent who was raised by a generation that apparently has everything figured out.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

You’re gonna tell me this kids gonna be able to protect himself against 5 kids a foot taller than him? Don’t be an a s s and think violence can solve everything. Bullies generally travel in packs and are always much bigger and stronger then the little wimps they pick on.

So you missed the part where I said learn Krav Maga so you can defend yourself or others who are being bullied? So many cowards giving advice here. No wonder bullying is rising in the face of all the passive policies.

Let me say this as nice as possible but not nearly as nice as Elrod. Admit you’re wrong and shut the fu ck up. I don’t normally go off like this but bullying is a very serious subject to me. You are obviously so out of touch with the reality of bullying today, it should be embarrassing to anyone who knows you and is reading your posts. Your point #1 is an absolute joke. You think giving a witty or kind comment back to a bully is all of a sudden gonna make them all like “oh, I’m sorry, we should be friends”. If this wasn’t the saddest thing I’ve heard, I’d be laughing hysterically at it. My high school years were absolutely miserable because of about 5 kids on the football team that started calling me fudge packer during freshman summer practices cus I was a packers fan and my response for 4 years was smile and turn the other cheek. Eventually most of all of Big Sky high knew me as fudge packer. Being 4’10” and 89 pounds as a freshman in high school obviously made me an easy target to the 5 kids who were all close to 6 foot or taller and much bigger than me. When that “defense”(still not laughing cus I can’t believe someone would say something so idiotic) doesn’t work, you say physical violence is then the answer? A classmate of my 6th grade daughter was so fed up with being called fat, ugly, and poor on a daily basis by her multiple bullies, that she finally attacked one and broke her arm. Now she’s kicked out of that school and is forced to go to an inner city school that specializes in schooling troubled kids. Think she’s better off for finally fighting back? Well you’re so ignorant on this issue, you probably do. Meanwhile the bullies at my daughters school just find new victims to verbally abuse on a daily basis. To me it’s no wonder why events like Columbine happen when this kids feel there is no other way to defend themselves and in their young mentally unstable minds, feel resorting to ultra violence is the answer.

I’m not saying there is an answer for what is a true epidemic to our youth cus kids are the meanest people on earth and there are so many ways to make a bully like an abusive father or very mean older siblings. But your answers are so ridiculous and so far off the mark that you just need to quit. You’re wrong on so many levels.

 

[3-7-77]

I'm going to be honest and admit I just laughed out loud at my desk, and then my work buddy insisted I tell him. So now I have had to admit to someone in real life that I have an eGriz handle. Thanks a lot, CDA.

C'mon, Elrod. It's not like you just admitted to being a serial killer. Consider this your 'Red Badge of Courage.' :thumb:
EGriz will always remain an ANONYMOUS message board.

 

[hardcore]

It's like, don't tell me how easy it is to raise kids, and I won't tell you how easy it is to open a PDF.

I'm going to be honest and admit I just laughed out loud at my desk, and then my work buddy insisted I tell him. So now I have had to admit to someone in real life that I have an eGriz handle. Thanks a lot, CDA.

Elrod/playa:

With the inside info.you get from all your connections thru the coaching staff and buddies on the football team you must know when the news is going to break on who is replacing bradford as the new dc?...

c'mon and spill it.

 

[uofmman1122]

I'm going to be honest and admit I just laughed out loud at my desk, and then my work buddy insisted I tell him. So now I have had to admit to someone in real life that I have an eGriz handle. Thanks a lot, CDA.

Elrod/playa:

With the inside info.you get from all your connections thru the coaching staff and buddies on the football team you must know when the news is going to break on who is replacing bradford as the new dc?...

c'mon and spill it.

Imagine getting this obsessed about people you don't know on a fan website for a team you don't support.

 

[kemajic]

Elrod/playa:

With the inside info.you get from all your connections thru the coaching staff and buddies on the football team you must know when the news is going to break on who is replacing bradford as the new dc?...

c'mon and spill it.

Imagine getting this obsessed about people you don't know on a fan website for a team you don't support.

Indicates a serious butthurt.

 

[hardcore]

Elrod/playa:

With the inside info.you get from all your connections thru the coaching staff and buddies on the football team you must know when the news is going to break on who is replacing bradford as the new dc?...

c'mon and spill it.

Imagine getting this obsessed about people you don't know on a fan website for a team you don't support.

Hahahahaha.. :clap:

 

[mthoopsfan]

I'm going to be honest and admit I just laughed out loud at my desk, and then my work buddy insisted I tell him. So now I have had to admit to someone in real life that I have an eGriz handle. Thanks a lot, CDA.

Elrod/playa:

With the inside info.you get from all your connections thru the coaching staff and buddies on the football team you must know when the news is going to break on who is replacing bradford as the new dc?...

c'mon and spill it.

The answer to your specific question is: “soon”.

 

[hardcore]

Imagine getting this obsessed about people you don't know on a fan website for a team you don't support.

Indicates a serious butthurt.

Coming from you?... :clap: