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[mthoopsfan]

Keep going, and keep proving me right about you. :roll:

Huh?

I wonder if he has ever been right on anything on egriz or in his life. This troll seems unusually dumb. Saying someone has proven them right is a clear sign of someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about.

 

[garizzalies]

You say I downplayed the situation and I am saying you are over playing.

How many investigations would there need to be to receive the proper amount of play?

Do you break em with the seven?

Seven-eleven?

Seven-eleven?

Seven even back door Lil' Joe

 

[SACCAT66]

Ok.... I am not going to stick up for, or make excuses for MSU (even though it will sound like I am). Any time you have this many investigations, there is something that needs to change. WITH THAT SAID...

BACKSTORY -- I have a son that is now online schooling for his final semester of High School (actually has been for a year now) because of bullying. This has been an issue with him since he was in elementary school. We went to the school about it, and they said that they can only do so much "Because most of the counselors have left because of parents and threat of litigation every time their kid gets in trouble". We talked to them about working through Gallatin high online schooling (this is after he missed 1/2 a semester because of a mental health issue he had) and the 1st thing they said was "Well you know it isn't free, you will have to pay for it". Our response was, of course we know that, and will do what ever it takes to get him done with this situation so he can move on... They then had the Superintendent of the school district reach out to us and basically say "There is nothing we can do about the bullying, because you never reported it"... Well, The Wife had receipts (as the young kids say) and brought up over 20 times we talked to principles, counselors, teachers, you name it. We never heard back from him OR the Principle again.

POINT OF STORY--- We are now starting a group that will bring in better guidelines for teachers and schools to deal with this... the lead on this project told us that the schools themselves (High Schools on down to Elementary) have now been frozen in fear over parents threatening to bring legal action every time their little angel gets in trouble. To the point that they actually show up WITH THIER LAYWERS when they meet about disciplining the kid, or even meeting with the parents... This has bread an internal mistrust in administration for any kid or family that feels like they aren't being heard, or that action is not being taken. It is easier to go above the school or administration, because of the amount of red tape it takes for anything to happen... Top that off with social media sites like "Snap Chat" that you can message a kid and it deletes 5 seconds later, and nothing can happen. My son was choked from behind by another kid as school (with a towel rolled up) and dropped to the ground as a Sophomore, here are the steps we had to take

1) Our son was choked, so her reported it to the school
2) The school took 2 weeks to get back to us after "Looking at tape and talking to kids" in that time the kid who did it was told that they were investigation the issue, but was not taken out of any of the classes he shared with my son
3) The school then found that they couldn't "Tell from the tape" if it was a joke or not, so nothing could be done unless my son wanted to press assault charges with the police
4) The School then set up counseling sessions with my son, so HE could find better ways to react to situations like this when they arise

All this time my son is getting "Snap Chat" messages from kids calling him a "Snitch" and telling him to kill himself... By this point he was so terrified to say anything that he just gave up. LONG STORY LONGER, Administrations are so afraid of parents lawsuits and having to follow handfuls of red tape, that they are actually harming kids worse. I honestly don't know what is better, having 11 DOE investigations, or 11 Civil lawsuits filed, because one or the other is going to happen. I don't remember a time where the division between people was so heated and hate filled. I wouldn't ever want to be in the position these schools are in, because no matter what you do, it will be looked at with discussed by one side or the other...

That concludes my Ted Talk.

 

[hardcore]

:roll:

Keep going, and keep proving me right about you. :roll:

Huh?

You do you playarep.

All the while you can't help but posting everything you can dig up on msu at the same time calling other people on Egriz trolls. :roll:

 

[alabamagrizzly]

:roll:

Huh?

You do you playarep.

All the while you can't help but posting everything you can dig up on msu at the same time calling other people on Egriz trolls. :roll:

….and again…..and again…..and again….

 

[hardcore]

:roll:

You do you playarep.

All the while you can't help but posting everything you can dig up on msu at the same time calling other people on Egriz trolls. :roll:

….and again…..and again…..and again….

And again you admit it. Again.

You Can't make this poop up...

 

[alabamagrizzly]

….and again…..and again…..and again….

And again you admit it. Again.

You Can't make this poop up...

So how is me admitting it supposed to hurt my feelings? Obviously I hurt yours by douching on you. Sorry about that little fella. You really need to tuffin’ up though.

 

[mthoopsfan]

:roll:

Huh?

You do you playarep.

All the while you can't help but posting everything you can dig up on msu at the same time calling other people on Egriz trolls. :roll:

What have I dug up on MSU? Answer: nothing. You are stupid.

 

[hardcore]

:roll:

You do you playarep.

All the while you can't help but posting everything you can dig up on msu at the same time calling other people on Egriz trolls. :roll:

What have I dug up on MSU? Answer: nothing. You are stupid.

Haha, he just just admitted it himself, right here, right now....elrod/playarep/mthoopsfan

How many differant names are you up to over here now?, last count i noticed it is at least three.

Elrodgrizxly, playarep, mthoopsfan..probably more.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

What have I dug up on MSU? Answer: nothing. You are stupid.

Haha, he just just admitted it himself, right here, right now....elrod/playarep/mthoopsfan

How many differant names are you up to over here now?, last count i noticed it is at least three.

Elrodgrizxly, playarep, mthoopsfan..probably more.

Bruh, give it a rest. Ask the mods if you want. Titleist in particular knows who we both are. A couple others here, too. He didn't admit anything. You said his name and digging stuff up and he responded.

Just because you have trouble believing that many people disagree with you does not mean we are the same person. I offered to meet the last guy that said it for a beer whenever he is in Missoula, happily will do the same for you. If he's in town, I'll invite Hoops too.

I'm not digging anything up and trolling. I post here, on the gri, boards. I let MSU fans have their board. It's a pretty simple system to avoid dumb little arguments.

 

[garizzalies]

How many differant [sic] names are you up to over here now?

 

[mthoopsfan]

What have I dug up on MSU? Answer: nothing. You are stupid.

Haha, he just just admitted it himself, right here, right now....elrod/playarep/mthoopsfan

How many differant names are you up to over here now?, last count i noticed it is at least three.

Elrodgrizxly, playarep, mthoopsfan..probably more.

Yes, I used to be PR, but I changed to hoops a few years ago. PR isn't a valid name anymore. As I have said, I change my posting name every 30,000 posts whether I need to or not.

What are your prior posting names? PR hasn't been around for a few years. Your new name started in Dec. 2023.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Ok.... I am not going to stick up for, or make excuses for MSU (even though it will sound like I am).

I didn’t quote the whole post to save space. That is awful for your son, and I hope he can learn to know it has no bearing on who he is nor what he can do in life. That BS doesn’t define him.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Ok.... I am not going to stick up for, or make excuses for MSU (even though it will sound like I am). Any time you have this many investigations, there is something that needs to change. WITH THAT SAID...

BACKSTORY -- I have a son that is now online schooling for his final semester of High School (actually has been for a year now) because of bullying. This has been an issue with him since he was in elementary school. We went to the school about it, and they said that they can only do so much "Because most of the counselors have left because of parents and threat of litigation every time their kid gets in trouble". We talked to them about working through Gallatin high online schooling (this is after he missed 1/2 a semester because of a mental health issue he had) and the 1st thing they said was "Well you know it isn't free, you will have to pay for it". Our response was, of course we know that, and will do what ever it takes to get him done with this situation so he can move on... They then had the Superintendent of the school district reach out to us and basically say "There is nothing we can do about the bullying, because you never reported it"... Well, The Wife had receipts (as the young kids say) and brought up over 20 times we talked to principles, counselors, teachers, you name it. We never heard back from him OR the Principle again.

POINT OF STORY--- We are now starting a group that will bring in better guidelines for teachers and schools to deal with this... the lead on this project told us that the schools themselves (High Schools on down to Elementary) have now been frozen in fear over parents threatening to bring legal action every time their little angel gets in trouble. To the point that they actually show up WITH THIER LAYWERS when they meet about disciplining the kid, or even meeting with the parents... This has bread an internal mistrust in administration for any kid or family that feels like they aren't being heard, or that action is not being taken. It is easier to go above the school or administration, because of the amount of red tape it takes for anything to happen... Top that off with social media sites like "Snap Chat" that you can message a kid and it deletes 5 seconds later, and nothing can happen. My son was choked from behind by another kid as school (with a towel rolled up) and dropped to the ground as a Sophomore, here are the steps we had to take

1) Our son was choked, so her reported it to the school
2) The school took 2 weeks to get back to us after "Looking at tape and talking to kids" in that time the kid who did it was told that they were investigation the issue, but was not taken out of any of the classes he shared with my son
3) The school then found that they couldn't "Tell from the tape" if it was a joke or not, so nothing could be done unless my son wanted to press assault charges with the police
4) The School then set up counseling sessions with my son, so HE could find better ways to react to situations like this when they arise

All this time my son is getting "Snap Chat" messages from kids calling him a "Snitch" and telling him to kill himself... By this point he was so terrified to say anything that he just gave up. LONG STORY LONGER, Administrations are so afraid of parents lawsuits and having to follow handfuls of red tape, that they are actually harming kids worse. I honestly don't know what is better, having 11 DOE investigations, or 11 Civil lawsuits filed, because one or the other is going to happen. I don't remember a time where the division between people was so heated and hate filled. I wouldn't ever want to be in the position these schools are in, because no matter what you do, it will be looked at with discussed by one side or the other...

That concludes my Ted Talk.

That is truly heartbreaking that your son dealt with that, and that so many other kids have learned the lesson that it is okay to treat someone like this if they can get away with it. I'm sorry he dealt with that, and I hope he can move past it moving forward. It does get better out there.

I truly thought this new generation was going in a better direction with that kind of stuff.

 

[SACCAT66]

Ok.... I am not going to stick up for, or make excuses for MSU (even though it will sound like I am).

I didn’t quote the whole post to save space. That is awful for your son, and I hope he can learn to know it has no bearing on who he is nor what he can do in life. That BS doesn’t define him.

Appreciate it, he is doing great now and looking forward to moving to Scottsdale for college. My general point was that no matter what an administration does, there will be backlash and investigations now days. 4 of the 11 DOE investigations are over one case alone. One side launching an investigation over what the school decided, then the other side launching one over what the other side did. Then both launching counter complaints of what the other side complained about in the 1st complaints... AGAIN I am not sticking up for MSU on this, they need to have some sort of "playbook" to handle these types of complaints internally. Athletics has that for anything that happens, but itbis hard to get one established that covers over 16,000 students. The Wife and I were talking about it last night and thought maybe Universities should have a specific internal DOE type organization that looks into non-athletic complaints and takes the school out of all decisions.

 

[bigsky33]

I didn’t quote the whole post to save space. That is awful for your son, and I hope he can learn to know it has no bearing on who he is nor what he can do in life. That BS doesn’t define him.

Appreciate it, he is doing great now and looking forward to moving to Scottsdale for college. My general point was that no matter what an administration does, there will be backlash and investigations now days. 4 of the 11 DOE investigations are over one case alone. One side launching an investigation over what the school decided, then the other side launching one over what the other side did. Then both launching counter complaints of what the other side complained about in the 1st complaints... AGAIN I am not sticking up for MSU on this, they need to have some sort of "playbook" to handle these types of complaints internally. Athletics has that for anything that happens, but itbis hard to get one established that covers over 16,000 students. The Wife and I were talking about it last night and thought maybe Universities should have a specific internal DOE type organization that looks into non-athletic complaints and takes the school out of all decisions.

Glad to see SACCAT that your son was able to overcome this and is now doing great. Hope he does well and enjoys college in Scottsdale. I, like Elrod pointed out in the previous post, thought this new generation would be better. But recently here in Gilbert AZ, there has been a case with affluent HS students forming a gang called the Gilbert Goons. It has made the national news as they were just randomly attacking students and brutally beating them. One student that was beaten, died. The Goons were posting videos of all their attacks on social media. The school and police were reluctant to take action for a long time, for what seems to be the reasons you outlined. Finally, citizens got together and brought pressure for action by the schools and police and arrests were made. Now the school and police are facing multiple lawsuits from both sides.

 

[wbtfg]

Ok.... I am not going to stick up for, or make excuses for MSU (even though it will sound like I am). Any time you have this many investigations, there is something that needs to change. WITH THAT SAID...

BACKSTORY -- I have a son that is now online schooling for his final semester of High School (actually has been for a year now) because of bullying. This has been an issue with him since he was in elementary school. We went to the school about it, and they said that they can only do so much "Because most of the counselors have left because of parents and threat of litigation every time their kid gets in trouble". We talked to them about working through Gallatin high online schooling (this is after he missed 1/2 a semester because of a mental health issue he had) and the 1st thing they said was "Well you know it isn't free, you will have to pay for it". Our response was, of course we know that, and will do what ever it takes to get him done with this situation so he can move on... They then had the Superintendent of the school district reach out to us and basically say "There is nothing we can do about the bullying, because you never reported it"... Well, The Wife had receipts (as the young kids say) and brought up over 20 times we talked to principles, counselors, teachers, you name it. We never heard back from him OR the Principle again.

POINT OF STORY--- We are now starting a group that will bring in better guidelines for teachers and schools to deal with this... the lead on this project told us that the schools themselves (High Schools on down to Elementary) have now been frozen in fear over parents threatening to bring legal action every time their little angel gets in trouble. To the point that they actually show up WITH THIER LAYWERS when they meet about disciplining the kid, or even meeting with the parents... This has bread an internal mistrust in administration for any kid or family that feels like they aren't being heard, or that action is not being taken. It is easier to go above the school or administration, because of the amount of red tape it takes for anything to happen... Top that off with social media sites like "Snap Chat" that you can message a kid and it deletes 5 seconds later, and nothing can happen. My son was choked from behind by another kid as school (with a towel rolled up) and dropped to the ground as a Sophomore, here are the steps we had to take

1) Our son was choked, so her reported it to the school
2) The school took 2 weeks to get back to us after "Looking at tape and talking to kids" in that time the kid who did it was told that they were investigation the issue, but was not taken out of any of the classes he shared with my son
3) The school then found that they couldn't "Tell from the tape" if it was a joke or not, so nothing could be done unless my son wanted to press assault charges with the police
4) The School then set up counseling sessions with my son, so HE could find better ways to react to situations like this when they arise

All this time my son is getting "Snap Chat" messages from kids calling him a "Snitch" and telling him to kill himself... By this point he was so terrified to say anything that he just gave up. LONG STORY LONGER, Administrations are so afraid of parents lawsuits and having to follow handfuls of red tape, that they are actually harming kids worse. I honestly don't know what is better, having 11 DOE investigations, or 11 Civil lawsuits filed, because one or the other is going to happen. I don't remember a time where the division between people was so heated and hate filled. I wouldn't ever want to be in the position these schools are in, because no matter what you do, it will be looked at with discussed by one side or the other...

That concludes my Ted Talk.

Wow. Thank you for sharing this story. As someone who has a 6th grader and a 2nd grader, this is a big fear of mine as the kiddos get older. I’ve heard so many similar stories from all over the state/country.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

That is truly heartbreaking that your son dealt with that, and that so many other kids have learned the lesson that it is okay to treat someone like this if they can get away with it. I'm sorry he dealt with that, and I hope he can move past it moving forward. It does get better out there.

I truly thought this new generation was going in a better direction with that kind of stuff.

I think it has in some areas. I can only speak to my personal experience, but my kids' district has a zero-tolerance policy for bullying, and it actually gets enforced. Every parent and student have to sign something acknowledging the anti-bullying policy at the beginning of each year. We've seen several kids get expelled. Not talking about random schoolyard fights, etc.; but the constant bullying stuff.

Not to belabor the sub-topic, but to do so anyway, I think sometimes it can depend on the size of the school. I grew up in tiny schools where if someone was getting bullied, everyone in the school knew about it. It could make kids feel very alone. If they complained about it, everyone knew, and it got worse. My kids go to elementary and middle schools much bigger than my HS. Everyone seems able to find a group of friends just like them, so I don't think it really comes up as much. If someone was getting bullied, the bully would be easily avoidable.

To bring this bird back to Earth, it starts with the administration.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Appreciate it, he is doing great now and looking forward to moving to Scottsdale for college. My general point was that no matter what an administration does, there will be backlash and investigations now days. 4 of the 11 DOE investigations are over one case alone. One side launching an investigation over what the school decided, then the other side launching one over what the other side did. Then both launching counter complaints of what the other side complained about in the 1st complaints... AGAIN I am not sticking up for MSU on this, they need to have some sort of "playbook" to handle these types of complaints internally. Athletics has that for anything that happens, but itbis hard to get one established that covers over 16,000 students. The Wife and I were talking about it last night and thought maybe Universities should have a specific internal DOE type organization that looks into non-athletic complaints and takes the school out of all decisions.

Glad to see SACCAT that your son was able to overcome this and is now doing great. Hope he does well and enjoys college in Scottsdale. I, like Elrod pointed out in the previous post, thought this new generation would be better. But recently here in Gilbert AZ, there has been a case with affluent HS students forming a gang called the Gilbert Goons. It has made the national news as they were just randomly attacking students and brutally beating them. One student that was beaten, died. The Goons were posting videos of all their attacks on social media. The school and police were reluctant to take action for a long time, for what seems to be the reasons you outlined. Finally, citizens got together and brought pressure for action by the schools and police and arrests were made. Now the school and police are facing multiple lawsuits from both sides.

"Liking" your comment seemed wrong, but I generally agree with you here, and that is absolutely disgusting. I hope the evidence I've seen of this generation being better really is the majority. No kid deserves to suffer and struggle with that kind of stuff while going through those already difficult years, and we do need to make sure that our schools and police have the tools to deal with bad actors without fear of reprisal.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I've got a better idea. You don't deal with or rely on administrations, your kid deals with the bullies.

For verbal such as: 1 "you are so stupid you need a math tutor" or 2 "joe likes boys"; your kid agrees and explains: 1) Yeah, you're right, I struggle with math, but I'm pretty good at soccer (or whatever) and for example 2) Says "sure, I like boys who like girls, do you like girls?" Takes away their reason to bully and leaves them without a comeback. Teach your kid how to deal with them other than getting upset.

For Physical bullying, take your kids to learn Krav Maga. This will allow them to be able neutralize any physical threat to themselves or others when threatened. And the follow up is parents need to ask their kid, in front of school administrators when the bully goes crying to mommy and you are called to school, who threw the first punch? When your kids say "he did", you tell the kid to do it again if they do that again, and on your way out tell the admins you will sue the sh*t out of them if there are any scholastic repercussions. Then take your kid for ice cream. Don't be bashful, everything in schools is now recorded by cameras or other kids with cell phones.

Even better idea, parochial schools or home schooling.