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Transfer Bobcat Cornerback Dismissed from Team Yesterday
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astutegriz
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Not true! They just had a serious incident where a guy had sex without being married. And by that, I mean after penetration (which is considered fine), he moved (gasp!) and didn't just lie there soaking it in while others jumped on the bed.
And, of course, there was Kessman, who had a cappuccino instead of a highly caffeinated energy drink or dirty soda.
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horribilisfan8184
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Yeah, like the HC never hears when his "sober" recovering alcoholic DC has fallen off the wagon. Wouldn't a good HC get the relapsed coach to treatment, before he heads home with a snoot full and spectacularly wrecks.
Griz in Texas
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But they were set up for the Dream Season! Had to wait to see how that panned out first (a.k.a. “Due-Process” in MSdUi speak). What would you have them do? The right thing? Psssh!
And, additionally, why is it being considered reasonable for the DC who has been working on sobriety after past issues to fall off the wagon at the same time that the OC apparently developed a drinking problem (as claimed by Big Sky)? What is the culture on that coaching staff?! It seems like some other coaches are going to get all Mixed up in this, too.
Montana State Bobcats dismiss DB Bryson Parker after assault charge
Parker transferred from Nevada in May and didn't participate in any of MSU's fall camp practices.
The article states he was arrested for a misdemeanor and it was a first offense.
With around 105 players on the team I can see where a head coach is not aware of what is going on in one players personal life. If Choate knew, I don't think he would intentionally deceive and would have addressed an issue like that with the player if he had known about it. That is serious stuff.
Why are you making excuses? This has become a pattern. I get you cant monitor 105 kids at all times. But this isnt the first time, and it was even worse that prior incidents were coaches, and they werent held accountable! They coached the following season. If you, as a fan / booster let these types of things continue to happen and make excuses, it will ultimately lead to much more significant problems.Montana State Bobcats dismiss DB Bryson Parker after assault charge
Parker transferred from Nevada in May and didn't participate in any of MSU's fall camp practices.406mtsports.com
The article states he was arrested for a misdemeanor and it was a first offense.
With around 105 players on the team I can see where a head coach is not aware of what is going on in one players personal life. If Choate knew, I don't think he would intentionally deceive and would have addressed an issue like that with the player if he had known about it. That is serious stuff.
I am no lawyer, but wouldn't that misdemeanor mean first offense in Montana? They wouldn't compare it to other states.Montana State Bobcats dismiss DB Bryson Parker after assault charge
Parker transferred from Nevada in May and didn't participate in any of MSU's fall camp practices.
The article states he was arrested for a misdemeanor and it was a first offense.
With around 105 players on the team I can see where a head coach is not aware of what is going on in one players personal life. If Choate knew, I don't think he would intentionally deceive and would have addressed an issue like that with the player if he had known about it. That is serious stuff.
I wasn't saying Choate would not have addressed it. I just find it hard to believe that if it was so regular that it happened up to 30 times in a couple of years, that word wasn't getting around. I found it very curious that he went to MSU on what, I would assume, was a positive recommendation from Choate or not having contacted Choate
Over the years Nevada has dealt with several players getting in trouble. I don't know if it is the culture of Reno or what? It has happened under different coaches so I won't say institutional control.
As far as the cat that was dismissed I won't comment it could happen in Missoula too.
Domestic violence is a huge problem in America and one fueled by alcohol a lot of the times.
As far as the cat that was dismissed I won't comment it could happen in Missoula too.
Domestic violence is a huge problem in America and one fueled by alcohol a lot of the times.
If you read articles on abuse, many times women do not talk about it until it reaches and extreme point. Knowing Choate he would act on it if he knew about it.
Griz in Texas
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As I said previously, I don't care for the mud slinging back and forth over things like this, but this is more serious than what they were leading us to believe in the initial story where they tried to act like the team was not accountable for any of this:
The University released a statement Monday afternoon reading: " Bryson Parker, a defensive back who transferred to Montana State from Nevada in June, has been dismissed from the Bobcat football team for a violation of team rules, MSU head coach Brent Vigen said. He had not practiced with the team during preseason camp."
The old 'violation of team rules' I can overlook if there is a legal obligation not to release the actual issue in our overly letigious society. To say he had not practiced with the team is the accountability issue to me that if Coach Vigen upheld and enforced rules so stringently, should not matter. He was signed up, he was on the roster, take responsibility for that and move on. The fact that there are more incidences involving this staff indicates that it is time for the school to move on as well. The guy is making more than Hauck on his base salary, which we were led to believe the first time around with Boby when the cats weren't consistently winning, the coaches needed to be under the same basic agreements.
In any event, there is a double standard in not only the bank account, but in team discipline that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
The University released a statement Monday afternoon reading: " Bryson Parker, a defensive back who transferred to Montana State from Nevada in June, has been dismissed from the Bobcat football team for a violation of team rules, MSU head coach Brent Vigen said. He had not practiced with the team during preseason camp."
The old 'violation of team rules' I can overlook if there is a legal obligation not to release the actual issue in our overly letigious society. To say he had not practiced with the team is the accountability issue to me that if Coach Vigen upheld and enforced rules so stringently, should not matter. He was signed up, he was on the roster, take responsibility for that and move on. The fact that there are more incidences involving this staff indicates that it is time for the school to move on as well. The guy is making more than Hauck on his base salary, which we were led to believe the first time around with Boby when the cats weren't consistently winning, the coaches needed to be under the same basic agreements.
In any event, there is a double standard in not only the bank account, but in team discipline that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
Copper Griz
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Accountability is a pretty simple concept. There was scrutiny of BH during his first tenure. A winning program and some problems. Deserved scrutiny? Possibly. He seems to have battened down the hatches pretty hard in his second go around. It is actually impressive what he has accomplished. Vegan might want to follow suit in BOZO. The handling of his assistant coaches indiscretions could be described as abysmal. Embarrassing actually. Now he has some player problems. Not a good look and the new President better address the lack of accountability immediately. The last one didn’t!
I am not making excuses, I provided the article to Elrod at his request and gave my opinion on his earlier. comment on Choate.
As far as the coaches are concerned I personally was not happy with the way the situation was handled and did express that to the school. I thought they should have been suspended indefinitely until the court decided. I don't know if the decisions on the coaches were Vigen's or not. I suspect this was handled at a higher level. As for the two abuse incidents, they were completely separate incidents and Vigen dismissed them from the team right away. I don't think any coach on any team that heard talk in the locker room that a certain player was abusing women would let it go on and not address it with that player. It is my opinion in both cases that the coaching staff had no idea about what was going on prior to it happening. As far as vetting these players prior, there was no record of any prior history and even if you check social media, I don't think a player is going to put comments about abusing his girlfriend. Just my opinion.
horribilisfan8184
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Everybody on the Nevada team had to know he was thumping his girlfriend. Way too many events to keep out of the public eye, or away from coaches. This baggage was unloaded on MSU and you can bet Choate gave the vegen a heads up.
The fact Parker brought his girlfriend to Bozeman would have been the tip off for me if I was a coach, that trouble was just under the surface. And serial wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/friend with benefits beaters never quit. Sure the next partner, usually, eventually feels the fist. But the partner currently putting up with the Diddy dance, never stops being on the receiving end until they leave, or leave this world at the hands of the abuser.
The fact Parker brought his girlfriend to Bozeman would have been the tip off for me if I was a coach, that trouble was just under the surface. And serial wife/girlfriend/husband/boyfriend/friend with benefits beaters never quit. Sure the next partner, usually, eventually feels the fist. But the partner currently putting up with the Diddy dance, never stops being on the receiving end until they leave, or leave this world at the hands of the abuser.
I am well aware of how domestic abuse works and how women can react to it. Probably hits closer to home than you realize.
Maybe he did, and that's why the player was in the portal. That's my point. I'm not criticizing Choate. I am interested in how MSU added him with either Choate not mentioning that or Vigen not calling Choate. I highly doubt that if a player is physically abusing his girlfriend at least once a month, that word didn't get around to the staff.
One thing I've sadly learned as I've gone through life is that we as humans can be incredibly good at hiding serious problems for a long time until they've progressed to a point at which drastic and often tragic consequences of those problems result. Logic tells us that we "should know about it" if someone we care about is depressed or suicidal or abusing drugs/alcohol or is a victim of an abusive relationship, but in reality it's often not that simple.
Based on everything I know of Coach Choate, if he had any knowledge of a player of his abusing women then that player would have been gone immediately and he most definitely would not have lied to Vigen to pawn the player off on another school so he'd be someone else's problem when he eventually got caught.
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If the girlfriend doesn't talk about it, which happens in many abuse cases. Do you think the player is going to tell his fellow players in the locker room that he is abusing his girlfriend? I just think it is something not talked about. I don't think Choate or his staff had any idea.
Yes, I think teammates have a pretty good idea. Players talk. Their girlfriends talk. Their neighbors talk. You are welcome to make your assumptions, and I will make mine. Both are assumptions, we just have different ideas about which ones are likely.
horribilisfan8184
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You think the WAGS don't know how to spot makeup covered bruises under large sunglasses. You don't think these friends know what the aftermath of a beating does to another in not just her looks, but her temperament, personality, or actions? Even if they don't talk about it, those around them do know. And everyone tells their boyfriend/husband. I can't believe this MSU attitude of "our college coaches and players are family.... except when it comes to abusers in our midst."
