Tim Parks & Andrew Badger

[Baller1]

any truth to the RUMORS of charges already being dropped for Parks?

 

[GrizPony]

Yes. I posted the truth.

 

[Grisly Fan]

I wonder how long a school can be held accountable for the actions of former students (including former athletes)? I know it is in vogue to bash rival schools for this but seriously what is the statute of limitations? 5, 10, 20 years, when? Hindsight is 20/20 and shows that many, many people should never have walked the campus let alone wear an athletic jersey but how can anyone know how anyone else is going to turn out? You deal with what you have at the moment with your best gut instinct then it is up to the individual to have a clue. We seem have abdicated personal responsibility and want to blame anyone and everyone else for personal failures. Sure, it was a mistake letting these idiots anywhere near the U of M but now they are grown-ups and are solely responsible for their own behavior. Try 'em and if convicted lock 'em up and move on. I can't imagine the value of trying to blame anyone else for the road that they have chosen.

Yeah, these kids were stellar student-athletes when the payed, but suddenly went to the dark side after they "graduated". You recruit thugs, you get thugs. Nobody wants to admit it, but Hauck is the reason for all of the sh_t we are going through now. It started with his recruits, and still haunts us today.

So apparently you are into the whole witch hunt thing. Obviously you don't think that they came to the U of M as fine upstanding citizens and were corrupted (now THAT would be a hell of a story) but came that way. So why don't you blame the high school they came from? Maybe the grade school or pre-school? Surely someone along the way failed to do what needed to be done! Who was it and why did they let the problem progress to Montana?

I'll help you with the answer: Screw all all that crap. They came and left and committed crimes. Its all on them. Sure the U of M needs to try to not bring such individuals into the school but unless you can prove that the people who recruited them knew that they were going to commit these kinds of crimes then take you holier than though ex post facto brilliance and shove it.

Your post is pathetic. These kids were trouble when Hauck recruited them. I know for a fact that Parks had multiple arrests as a juvenile. Hauck did not care about a kid's past as long as he could play football at a high level.

OK genius. Since apparently you are so much smarter than me, enlighten me as to who at MSU is going to commit the next crimes? Oh, too tough for even you? OK, just tell me which "student athlete" is going to commit a "significant" crime? You realize that there WILL be somebody? NO? OK, then I'll make it really easy for even you. Which Giz athlete will be the next to commit a crime? I'll wait but I want dates and times so the authorities can be forewarned and forearmed since not everyone has your insight into future human behavior. Yes, I already said that letting these thugs anywhere near the U was a mistake and changes have been made but I am most worried about the crimes yet-to-comeand your superpower to apparently predict them. You'll be a hero...

 

[catsack]

Yeah, these kids were stellar student-athletes when the payed, but suddenly went to the dark side after they "graduated". You recruit thugs, you get thugs. Nobody wants to admit it, but Hauck is the reason for all of the sh_t we are going through now. It started with his recruits, and still haunts us today.

So apparently you are into the whole witch hunt thing. Obviously you don't think that they came to the U of M as fine upstanding citizens and were corrupted (now THAT would be a hell of a story) but came that way. So why don't you blame the high school they came from? Maybe the grade school or pre-school? Surely someone along the way failed to do what needed to be done! Who was it and why did they let the problem progress to Montana?

I'll help you with the answer: Screw all all that crap. They came and left and committed crimes. Its all on them. Sure the U of M needs to try to not bring such individuals into the school but unless you can prove that the people who recruited them knew that they were going to commit these kinds of crimes then take you holier than though ex post facto brilliance and shove it.

Your post is pathetic. These kids were trouble when Hauck recruited them. I know for a fact that Parks had multiple arrests as a juvenile. Hauck did not care about a kid's past as long as he could play football at a high level.

OK genius. Since apparently you are so much smarter than me, enlighten me as to who at MSU is going to commit the next crimes? Oh, too tough for even you? OK, just tell me which "student athlete" is going to commit a "significant" crime? You realize that there WILL be somebody? NO? OK, then I'll make it really easy for even you. Which Giz athlete will be the next to commit a crime? I'll wait but I want dates and times so the authorities can be forewarned and forearmed since not everyone has your insight into future human behavior. Yes, I already said that letting these thugs anywhere near the U was a mistake and changes have been made but I am most worried about the crimes yet-to-comeand your superpower to apparently predict them. You'll be a hero...

MSU Connor Thomas

 

[Silvertip]

Having seen more than enough of Engstrom by now, the fact that Parks and Badger are no longer students would probably be immaterial. Wouldn't be surprised if he called Delaney and Haslam into his office Sunday morning to fire them on the pretext of "taking a new direction." Hopefully, he would have enough smarts this time to have a third party witness after checking to see if the school would be on the hook more unnecessary payouts... :roll:

 

[BWahlberg]

BW isn't taking any crap today. First he takes down a former offensive coordinator thinly vailed as a new e-griz poster and then goes toe-to-toe with the fourth estate. How do you sell houses with that kind of schedule?

I don't know how he does it either, but BOTH were very well done.

I'm slipping - sent a reply as a PM. Meant to post it here:

And I was showing houses all afternoon!

Snowstorms turn me into an angry poster, haha.

 

[tourist]

Former players. Former. What they do on the outside is not a concern of the University. To make the connection to UM football and crime is bullshit. Its HYPE, intended to sell newspapers. This is like blaming the gun when some nut job goes off and kills a bunch of people. Yes, two of the accused were former Griz football players. They are also black. Why not make an issue of this, Missoulian? Political correctness gone awry?

 

[bearly visible]

Having seen more than enough of Engstrom by now, the fact that Parks and Badger are no longer students would probably be immaterial. Wouldn't be surprised if he called Delaney and Haslam into his office Sunday morning to fire them on the pretext of "taking a new direction." Hopefully, he would have enough smarts this time to have a third party witness after checking to see if the school would be on the hook more unnecessary payouts... :roll:

Fire Delaney??? Please don't get me all fired up!

 

[bearly visible]

Yeah, these kids were stellar student-athletes when the payed, but suddenly went to the dark side after they "graduated". You recruit thugs, you get thugs. Nobody wants to admit it, but Hauck is the reason for all of the sh_t we are going through now. It started with his recruits, and still haunts us today.

So apparently you are into the whole witch hunt thing. Obviously you don't think that they came to the U of M as fine upstanding citizens and were corrupted (now THAT would be a hell of a story) but came that way. So why don't you blame the high school they came from? Maybe the grade school or pre-school? Surely someone along the way failed to do what needed to be done! Who was it and why did they let the problem progress to Montana?

I'll help you with the answer: Screw all all that crap. They came and left and committed crimes. Its all on them. Sure the U of M needs to try to not bring such individuals into the school but unless you can prove that the people who recruited them knew that they were going to commit these kinds of crimes then take you holier than though ex post facto brilliance and shove it.

Your post is pathetic. These kids were trouble when Hauck recruited them. I know for a fact that Parks had multiple arrests as a juvenile. Hauck did not care about a kid's past as long as he could play football at a high level.

OK genius. Since apparently you are so much smarter than me, enlighten me as to who at MSU is going to commit the next crimes? Oh, too tough for even you? OK, just tell me which "student athlete" is going to commit a "significant" crime? You realize that there WILL be somebody? NO? OK, then I'll make it really easy for even you. Which Giz athlete will be the next to commit a crime? I'll wait but I want dates and times so the authorities can be forewarned and forearmed since not everyone has your insight into future human behavior. Yes, I already said that letting these thugs anywhere near the U was a mistake and changes have been made but I am most worried about the crimes yet-to-comeand your superpower to apparently predict them. You'll be a hero...

Your an idiot. Try to spin your way into winning an argument is lame. My point, which should be obvious to anyone with half a brain, is that Hauck KNEW some of his recruits had criminal issues before offering them scholarships. Is that clear enough for ya?

 

[BWahlberg]

Ha this just got hilarious on FB. Gwen just responded to Brint in a very mature way. Sigh...(being sarcastic, of course.) Good ol Gwen.

And Rachac has the story out becasue Lee Enterprises owns both the Missoulian and the Gazette. So all he has to do is copy and paste.

It's going to happen:


"Missoulian reporter forced to respond to vile threats made by Grizzly Football Booster"

 

[George Ferguson]

I could be wrong but I think Parks is a coach for the Phoenix, and sadly he also works, well, worked with YOUTH programs of Missoula. I'm going to disagree with Cats fans on these guys being part of a "win at all costs" mentality by Hauck and Pflu, for two glaring reasons. NEITHER had a criminal record of any kind before they joined the Griz. And SECONDLY, and Brint will probably disagree with me, but they were TERRIBLE FCS-level football players, and had they never ever ever been contacted and recruited by Montana, it would have mattered NONE towards wins and losses. Look at Parks' stats before Hauck kicked him off the team. He was a meaningless player. And then there's Badger, who sucked so bad, he was replaced by Tully/Hermanson, and they aren't very good either. So if the coaches are to blame for bringing these idiots to Missoula, blame them for their piss poor judgement on recruiting terrible football players. If the coaching staff would have recognized that, none of this would have ever happened. Thanks to crap ass recruiting, Parks has been allowed to spend the last six years in Missoula brandishing guns, beating up Baller1, treating women like isht and now beating a poor guy nearly to death and now he will be a drain on my tax dollars for spending the next few years in Deer Lodge. Thanks alot BH.

 

[ilovethecats]

Former players. Former. What they do on the outside is not a concern of the University. To make the connection to UM football and crime is bullshit. Its HYPE, intended to sell newspapers. This is like blaming the gun when some nut job goes off and kills a bunch of people. Yes, two of the accused were former Griz football players. They are also black. Why not make an issue of this, Missoulian? Political correctness gone awry?

this is par for the course in our little montana communities. you have to take the good with the bad. our players are celebs in our towns. we dedicate countless topics to these players on these boards and discuss many aspects of their lives every day. it's not just the game they play....but where the hang out, who they dated, who their friends are, how nice their parents are, where they spend their summers, their post-grad aspirations etc. when our former players make the news for all the right reasons, i.e. playing in the nfl, getting married, graduating law school to name a few you will find threads about that here and on bobcat nation. the same can be said for our local news and papers. so the same will be the case when our former players screw up so badly and make the news for all the wrong reasons.

bottom line is it's a yw-way street. you simply can't go on and on about the accomplishments of former players but then when some former players act like morons be all mad at the media for calling them "past griz". that's what they are. now, to be fair, i don't think these pussies make um look bad in any way. just because they are former griz. anyone using common sense knows that um is in no way responsible for the actions of former students once their time at the university is up.

simple fact is that there are a lot of douche bags out there. just because i'm a cat fan doesn't make me blind. i have seen many idiots come and go and am always annoyed to see them here and happy when they leave. this is no different. yes they are former griz. but more importantly they are terrible people. and it's clear they don't care about the university of montana or even the city of missoula.

i don't feel bad for you guys or um because there is no reason too. just like i don't expect sympathy from anyone when some kid who used to go to msu decides to be a moron. i feel bad for one person...and that's obviously the poor cashier that got beat. just pussy shit stuff.

 

[grizindabox]

From this point forward I would like to be addressed as "Former Washington Redskin" from my elementary school days.

 

[cclarkblues]

From this point forward I would like to be addressed as "Former Washington Redskin" from my elementary school days.

Haven't you heard? That's racist.

 

[Spanky]

This post doesn't merit serious discussion. They are former football players....so what do they have to do with the current team and coaches? Nothing!

 

[grizcountry420]

I've been gone for a couple hours and yous guys are acting like this?

 

[ATLCAT]

BW isn't taking any crap today. First he takes down a former offensive coordinator thinly vailed as a new e-griz poster and then goes toe-to-toe with the fourth estate. How do you sell houses with that kind of schedule?

I don't know how he does it either, but BOTH were very well done.

I'm slipping - sent a reply as a PM. Meant to post it here:

And I was showing houses all afternoon!

Snowstorms turn me into an angry poster, haha.

No fargin way?! Seriously, BW has a real fargin job?

 

[grizindabox]

From this point forward I would like to be addressed as "Former Washington Redskin" from my elementary school days.

Haven't you heard? That's racist.

The world has changed a lot since the late 70's/early 80's...not sure if that is good or bad in some ways

 

[George Ferguson]

So....are we removing Parks from this discussion?

 

[granitegriz]

BW: tnt called out Donny Lisowski in this thread, saying he was in an off the field fight when he was a Griz. Is he mixing DL up with someone else?