Tickets for EWU vs. (Montana)

[CDAGRIZ]

Haha! Me get my ass handed to me by an Eag? That's pretty funny. For reference, I give you your first post in this thread. You will note that it contains not one, but two false statements, and is also 100% caveat free.

(emphasis added)

Now then, you were saying?

Glad you acknowledge that the caveat was made. You see, when someone makes a statement, it's generally implied and accepted that one need not repeat said statement over and over unless the person one is trying to communicate a point to is a little slow.

Now...please feel free to point out what I've posted in this thread that isn't factual. You see, I don't feel the need to make up my own facts or embelish the truth as some of you are so prone to doing. And although it would be easy to resort to weak, low-brow smack as many of you do, I don't feel the need...although there's a venerable cornucopia of material to work with there if anyone desired to do so.

So yeah...when one person states facts, and the other is unable to refute those facts, I'd say that's the definition of getting your ass handed to you. You've tried this in the past as well and it didn't work out so well for you.

And I'll take it that's a resounding "NO" with respect to my question about having anything to say about the game itself.

Thanks, hope this helps.

Dude. You stated two facts. A) You had as many folks at the ISU game as the Montana game this season and B) have sold out every game the past couple of seasons.

BOTH of those "facts" have been proven to be, well, less than factual. :lol: Dare I say they've been "refuted"? Then you come on blindly stating they HAVEN'T been refuted. THAT is the definition of getting your ass handed to you.

Well put. I'll bet you $100 he doesn't get it.

I wish you would have taken the bet.

 

[EWURanger29]

Saying that you sold out every game when you plainly didn't is minutia? OK. The Griz sold out every game in the past two years and won all of them. We could get North Korea propaganda style on this! Don't refute it with verified facts to the contrary, those are just minutia

Again, this has already been addressed previously in this thread. But it's possible that you missed it, so here it is again:

This might be considered semantics.

Statement: "[We] have sold out every game the past couple of seasons."
Fact: EWU has not sold out every game in the past two years.

It was over 11k for those games, which isn't really impressive in the grand scheme of things...but the point is, you can't sell more tickets than you have seats. We've been well over official capacity for some time now during the regular season. Playoffs are a different story. Those games aren't as well attended when classes aren't in session.

This might be considered minutia:

Statement: "We had as many folks at the ISU game as we did the Montana game this year"
Fact: ISU game had lower attendance.

Idaho State: 11,256
Montana: 11,339

Yep. You were objectively wrong on both points you made in your first post. The attendance is meh. The funny one is the "every game" one.

Person A: UM won every game this year.
Person B: Uh, no they didn't.
Person A: I meant every game in September.
Person B: Still wrong, what about the NSDU loss? (Note: the 2013 WOU game parallel?)
Person A: Semantics! I later tried to clarify, so I didn't actually make the first statement!

You are making the assumption that the original statement was made with the intent to deceive. It was not...and was later clarified.

The ISU/Montana statement was a broad brush thing that was also not made with the intent to deceive. The fact that there was a difference of 83 would be considered minutia...in the grand scheme of things, it was/is a generally true statement when you are talking several thousand people.

Much different than making a categorically false statement:

Yep. We are.

Better at what. Game mismanagement?

Football and life.

Implication: The Montana Grizzlies are better at football than the Eastern Washington Eagles.
Truth: The Montana Grizzlies are not better at football than the Eastern Washington Eagles (at least not as indicated by the score of the first game).

You see, there is a difference.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Keep digging the hole and cda will keep shoveling dirt on you

Thanks...don't need your advise on this subject or any other. But thanks, Steve.

You might what to consider changing your name to Leon Spinks if you are going to keep taking this beating pal.

Ha - nice work, G!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Implication: The Montana Grizzlies are better at football than the Eastern Washington Eagles.
Truth: The Montana Grizzlies are not better at football than the Eastern Washington Eagles (at least not as indicated by the score of the first game).

You see, there is a difference.

Swing and a miss. But you are right about there being a difference.

-I believe UM is the better team. Subjective. You cannot prove that it is "categorically false." If you use the head-to-head to try to make it objective, you are necessarily asserting that the better team always wins the game. An assertion that is plain silly, and one I am sure you wouldn't want to make, given the NAU loss.

-By contrast, numbers are objective. I can point to the fact that you didn't sell out every game in the last two years to absolutely 100% prove that you didn't sell out every game this year.

It's strange that I have to explain this so many times to you. I thought you were one of the "more brighter" ones.

 

[EWURanger29]

-By contrast, numbers are objective. I can point to the fact that you didn't sell out every game in the last two years to absolutely 100% prove that you didn't sell out every game this year.

Ok, so prove it:

Eastern Washington
vs Sam Houston State - 10,310
vs Montana Western - 9,116
vs Idaho State - 11,256
vs Northern Colorado - 10,064
vs North Dakota - 9,212
vs Montana - 11,339

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68637&p=1013186&hilit=big+sky+attendance#p1013186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bearing in mind that anything over 9,000 is considered a sell-out due to the fact that the suites, north end zone seating, and Touchdown Club seating areas are not part of the permanent manifest - only permanent seats are.

Fact: EWU sold out every game this year.

Swing and a miss.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

-By contrast, numbers are objective. I can point to the fact that you didn't sell out every game in the last two years to absolutely 100% prove that you didn't sell out every game this year.

Ok, so prove it:

Eastern Washington
vs Sam Houston State - 10,310
vs Montana Western - 9,116
vs Idaho State - 11,256
vs Northern Colorado - 10,064
vs North Dakota - 9,212
vs Montana - 11,339

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68637&p=1013186&hilit=big+sky+attendance#p1013186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bearing in mind that anything over 9,000 is considered a sell-out due to the fact that the suites, north end zone seating, and Touchdown Club seating areas are not part of the permanent manifest - only permanent seats are.

Fact: EWU sold out every game this year.

Swing and a miss.

You got me there, ha! I meant to write the past "two years" because that was your original statement. What I wrote instead is categorically false. You proved it using facts. Your doing so was not arguing semantics. My statement that you didn't sell out every game this year was 100% wrong, and I will not try to make it less wrong. Doing so would be futile, and it wouldn't make me seem very smart.

I guess people handle things differently.

 

[EWURanger29]

-By contrast, numbers are objective. I can point to the fact that you didn't sell out every game in the last two years to absolutely 100% prove that you didn't sell out every game this year.

Ok, so prove it:

Eastern Washington
vs Sam Houston State - 10,310
vs Montana Western - 9,116
vs Idaho State - 11,256
vs Northern Colorado - 10,064
vs North Dakota - 9,212
vs Montana - 11,339

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68637&p=1013186&hilit=big+sky+attendance#p1013186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bearing in mind that anything over 9,000 is considered a sell-out due to the fact that the suites, north end zone seating, and Touchdown Club seating areas are not part of the permanent manifest - only permanent seats are.

Fact: EWU sold out every game this year.

Swing and a miss.

You got me there, ha! I meant to write the past "two years" because that was your original statement. What I wrote instead is categorically false. You proved it using facts. Your doing so was not arguing semantics. My statement that you didn't sell out every game this year was 100% wrong, and I will not try to make it less wrong. Doing so would be futile, and it wouldn't make me seem very smart.

I guess people handle things differently.

Funny how we sometimes may type or say something that's intended one way and received another, eh? :thumb:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

-By contrast, numbers are objective. I can point to the fact that you didn't sell out every game in the last two years to absolutely 100% prove that you didn't sell out every game this year.

Ok, so prove it:

Eastern Washington
vs Sam Houston State - 10,310
vs Montana Western - 9,116
vs Idaho State - 11,256
vs Northern Colorado - 10,064
vs North Dakota - 9,212
vs Montana - 11,339

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68637&p=1013186&hilit=big+sky+attendance#p1013186" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bearing in mind that anything over 9,000 is considered a sell-out due to the fact that the suites, north end zone seating, and Touchdown Club seating areas are not part of the permanent manifest - only permanent seats are.

Fact: EWU sold out every game this year.

Swing and a miss.

You got me there, ha! I meant to write the past "two years" because that was your original statement. What I wrote instead is categorically false. You proved it using facts. Your doing so was not arguing semantics. My statement that you didn't sell out every game this year was 100% wrong, and I will not try to make it less wrong. Doing so would be futile, and it wouldn't make me seem very smart.

I guess people handle things differently.

Funny how we sometimes may type or say something that's intended one way and received another, eh? :thumb:

Yep, and how we react differently when called on it. :thumb:
But I should clarify: while I intended to write one thing, I actually wrote another. Nothing I can write could transform the latter into the former. It wasn't that I intended what I wrote differently. What I wrote was just wrong. Just like your first post in this thread.

 

[rogermp]

That's up to the the Griz tickets office I guess, maybe GSA has first priority?? You should call TICKETS WEST at 1-800-325-7328 for availability.

Thanks. Is Griz Tix part of Tickets West or is Tickets West a Spokane company? I'll call but my fear is the Griz Insiders will get the lions share of the tickets and most of us average fans will be out in the cold.

So, are you saying that the UofM should not cater to those most supportive of the program? What if you were one of them, how would you feel about getting a shot at those 500?

Frankly, I would like to get 5 of the 500 too, but if I don't, I will be disappointed, but I will also understand. I will give it my best shot on Tuesday morning. Hopefully, there will be enough GA tickets for all of us that want to go.

Just saying it would be nice to leave some tickets (maybe 250-300) for the average fans instead of just making them available only to those people with deep pockets.

 

[signedbewildered]

That's up to the the Griz tickets office I guess, maybe GSA has first priority?? You should call TICKETS WEST at 1-800-325-7328 for availability.

Thanks. Is Griz Tix part of Tickets West or is Tickets West a Spokane company? I'll call but my fear is the Griz Insiders will get the lions share of the tickets and most of us average fans will be out in the cold.

So, are you saying that the UofM should not cater to those most supportive of the program? What if you were one of them, how would you feel about getting a shot at those 500?

Frankly, I would like to get 5 of the 500 too, but if I don't, I will be disappointed, but I will also understand. I will give it my best shot on Tuesday morning. Hopefully, there will be enough GA tickets for all of us that want to go.

Just saying it would be nice to leave some tickets (maybe 250-300) for the average fans instead of just making them available only to those people with deep pockets.

What the WTF? Apply for a hardship or assistance of some sort. I wonder what the max income is to qualify for subsidized playoff tickets?

 

[GoldenEagle]

Thanks. Is Griz Tix part of Tickets West or is Tickets West a Spokane company? I'll call but my fear is the Griz Insiders will get the lions share of the tickets and most of us average fans will be out in the cold.

So, are you saying that the UofM should not cater to those most supportive of the program? What if you were one of them, how would you feel about getting a shot at those 500?

Frankly, I would like to get 5 of the 500 too, but if I don't, I will be disappointed, but I will also understand. I will give it my best shot on Tuesday morning. Hopefully, there will be enough GA tickets for all of us that want to go.

Just saying it would be nice to leave some tickets (maybe 250-300) for the average fans instead of just making them available only to those people with deep pockets.

What the WTF? Apply for a hardship or assistance of some sort. I wonder what the max income is to qualify for subsidized playoff tickets?

I think rogermp has a point. An "elite" program should provide tickets to the average fan that just wants to see a good football game. Sadly my alma mater is a far cry from the "grass roots" football program I enjoyed in the early to mid 90s. Seems like UM is far more favorable to deep pockets than the common fan. I guess infrastructure is far more important than actually catering to deserving fans. At some point (maybe UM is already there from this last weekends attendance numbers) that wonderful stadium will be half full of a lot less "loud" fans.

 

[signedbewildered]

"....the average fan that just wants to see a good football game" can take a twenty dollar bill and go down to the local watering hole, get dollar drafts and keep bugging the bar maid for peanut bowl refills all afternoon until they get cut off.

This reminds me of people bitching about when resident hunting licenses go up a few bucks. The minimal cost of the license itself (or the game ticket) is usually only a small portion of what one spends on other things through the day, or the season.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So, are you saying that the UofM should not cater to those most supportive of the program? What if you were one of them, how would you feel about getting a shot at those 500?

Frankly, I would like to get 5 of the 500 too, but if I don't, I will be disappointed, but I will also understand. I will give it my best shot on Tuesday morning. Hopefully, there will be enough GA tickets for all of us that want to go.

Just saying it would be nice to leave some tickets (maybe 250-300) for the average fans instead of just making them available only to those people with deep pockets.

What the WTF? Apply for a hardship or assistance of some sort. I wonder what the max income is to qualify for subsidized playoff tickets?

I think rogermp has a point. An "elite" program should provide tickets to the average fan that just wants to see a good football game. Sadly my alma mater is a far cry from the "grass roots" football program I enjoyed in the early to mid 90s. Seems like UM is far more favorable to deep pockets than the common fan. I guess infrastructure is far more important than actually catering to deserving fans. At some point (maybe UM is already there from this last weekends attendance numbers) that wonderful stadium will be half full of a lot less "loud" fans.

It's a cute post, but I think you know that facilities and catering to fans are not mutually exclusive concepts. If you can't see the connection, you should read the 15 Rules again. Also, I wouldn't hold your breath about UM ever having so few fans in the stands for another 20 years (even though it would still crush the attendance record for EWU).

 

[1972]

I see a couple of tickets for the game on craigslist.

 

[GoldenEagle]

Just admit that the griz would be knocking on DII if it weren't for ONE wealthy family bank rolling the infrastructure. Don't be embarrassed by it, just be humbled by it.

 

[signedbewildered]

I see a couple of tickets for the game on craigslist.

Also some already up for grabs on The Dead Zone. (To EWU fans only of course) *rolls eyes* Pretty sure I could put my billy bob teeth in, find a tight fitting Dale Earnhardt tank top and fake some needle marks on my arms.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Just admit that the griz would be knocking on DII if it weren't for ONE wealthy family bank rolling the infrastructure. Don't be embarrassed by it, just be humbled by it.

I don't think we would be DII, but are you saying college football powerhouses would not be powerhouses without the help of wealthy private donors? Holy shit, this is mind-blowing!

 

[GoldenEagle]

Just admit that the griz would be knocking on DII if it weren't for ONE wealthy family bank rolling the infrastructure. Don't be embarrassed by it, just be humbled by it.

I don't think we would be DII, but are you saying college football powerhouses would not be powerhouses without the help of wealthy private donors? Holy shit, this is mind-blowing!

I never referred to the griz as a powerhouse. In fact, these days the griz rarely beat .500 teams. Maybe the Washington family should reconsider where their CHARITY goes to. :thumb:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I see a couple of tickets for the game on craigslist.

Also some already up for grabs on The Dead Zone. (To EWU fans only of course) *rolls eyes* Pretty sure I could put my billy bob teeth in, find a tight fitting Dale Earnhardt tank top and fake some needle marks on my arms.

Perfect, if you're over 50. If you're under 50, you should go a different route from head to toe:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Just admit that the griz would be knocking on DII if it weren't for ONE wealthy family bank rolling the infrastructure. Don't be embarrassed by it, just be humbled by it.

I don't think we would be DII, but are you saying college football powerhouses would not be powerhouses without the help of wealthy private donors? Holy shit, this is mind-blowing!

I never referred to the griz as a powerhouse. In fact, these days the griz rarely beat .500 teams. Maybe the Washington family should reconsider where their CHARITY goes to. :thumb:

OK. Cool. They aren't exactly "reconsidering" at the moment. And they aren't the only major benefactors by a long shot. Another benefit of playing the long game (The 15 Rules). I bet the taxpayers of Washington wish they could reconsider the fact that they subsidize the EWU football charity at about a 70% clip, but they really don't have a quick and effective way to pull funding.