This is EXACTLY what I expected

[Potomac Griz]

I just find it hilarious that Griz fans have chosen to endlessly bitch abour the refs and ignore the fact that UM got outrebounded by 11 against a team with no one taller than 6'8", Will Cherry had no assists in 34 minutes, Brian Qvale didn't score and only attempted one shot between the 11:35 mark of the 1st half and the 0:28 mark of the second, despite being on the floor for 26 minutes in that span, Derek Selvig went 1-8 from the floor and only had 3 rebounds, UNC shot 50% in the second half, including Beitzel's 3-4 mark from beyond the arc and the Griz were taking layups and intentionally fouling 85+ percent free throw shooters down the stretch.

All of those things had much more to do with the outcome of the game than the officiating did. Montana was outplayed and outcoached. Get over it.

I find it hilarious UNC Bear fans are over on a Griz forum trying to defend the refs and the fact that they shot 70 free throws in 2 games, while their opponents shot 36. It's not just Griz fans that saw what happened on ESPN2 and Altitude... NAU fans suffered from the same horrible officiating. Even some of the Cat fans who have posted over here who hate the Griz have said the Griz got royally screwed.

We've already covered the rebounding in another thread. When you are playing in foul trouble and every little ticky tack thing is being called on you, you stop being aggressive.. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs their head examined. Selvig going 1-8..so? Kaba went 1-8 from the FT line. Good shooters have piss poor days occasionally.

Here's a little interesting fact for you....both NAU and the Griz outscored UNC when you take away the god awful free throw difference.

Get over it... your team tremendously benefited from a very 1 sided ref'n job, and it was broadcast on national TV for college basketball fans everywhere to witness.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Here's a telling stat...

NAU averaged just over 18 free throw attempts a game over the course of the season. They shot 17 in the one game in Greely.

Montana averaged 22 per game in season. In the two games at Greely, they shot 19 and 23.

UNC averaged just under 23 per game in season. In the two games in Greely, they averaged 35 per game..

Hmmm.... I sure can't understand why some people may question the refs.. It's a mystery... :roll: :lol:

You completely ignored that 10 of UNC's free throws last night came when Montana was intentionally fouling to extend the game...

So you are counting when Beitzel charged over Adams as an "intentional" foul ? You are counting when Wood happened to be running along side of Beitzel as an "intentional" foul? Did you watch the same game? The last 10 free throws were not off of intentional fouls...don't make stuff up trying to win your argument. It doesn't work.

There's a reason fans of other programs are saying the things they are about that game...it's not because everyone is just a closet Griz fan

 

[mtgrizrule]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

Honestly, I thought the calls were 50/50, but that's just me. I didn't hear any complaining from the Griz fans last night at the game and in fact they were really cool and wished us luck in the tourney.

BSB, I was one of those fans. The 1st half was not only a great game, but almost even officiating. In the 2nd half, officiating took over, which was very one sided in UNC's favor.

Not sure about you, I wished UNC fans luck, and shook their hands because it is good sportsmanship. I also had a great time both nights interacting with UNC fans, and loved the atmosphere. During the Championship game, I did everything I could for the GRIZ. Call me insane, or whatever, I was the loudmouth yelling "CABA WABA" in his FT attempts. UNC fans around me, did not like it, but those same fans accepted my wishes and handshake after the game. A few even commented on my passion for GRIZ basketball. During those 40 minutes, UNC was the enemy. After the game, friendly attitudes returned. Speaking of which, every time I have gone to a Montana/UNC game in Greeley, UNC fans have been great to me, despite me being an obnoxious GRIZ fan.

UNC fans and your team are why I will find it easy to pull for UNC, except when the GRIZ play them.
Yes, the officiating hurt NAU and Montana. It was not the reason why UNC won, but did play more of a factor than it should at this level. At this level, all these teams are good enough to win without help from the officials. Call the game how they want, just call it even on both sides.

After last night, I am convinced there is an "illegal breathing" foul when it comes to defending Beitzel. The calls (mostly non shooting) for him were a joke. Yet, both games NAU and Montana players, had their jerseys being held continually held in the paint. QVALE and Johannsen were mugged endlessly. Beitzel went to the hole, if he missed, whistle. Cherry, Rogers, Jones, etc very seldom got a whistle under the same circumstances.

The fact that fans from all over the nation seen this and are questioning the one sided officiating, is enough for us all to know, it did play huge factor in the tournament. If it were a well officiated game/tournament this subject would not be commented on the way it has been since. Officiating played a larger role in the outcome than it should ever play.

 

[Inland NW Griz]

You completely ignored that 10 of UNC's free throws last night came when Montana was intentionally fouling to extend the game...

In season games when UNC was presumably being fouled to extend the game, they still only averaged just over 25.5 attempts a game. Almost 10 less then their tourney avg.. I guess Montana and NAU are just prolific at extending games.. :lol:

 

[EverettGriz]

The fact that fans from all over the nation seen this and are questioning the one sided officiating, is enough for us all to know, it did play huge factor in the tournament. If it were a well officiated game/tournament this subject would not be commented on the way it has been since. Officiating played a larger role in the outcome than it should ever play.

unc fans know this. It's why they refuse to answer my simple question. They know damn well they got very favorable officiating. They don't want to admit it, but they know it.

 

[GoBears1313]

Hey everettgriz, this may sound ridiculous to you but in all honesty,we in the stands thought we were getting the shaft.We really thought that Montana was hacking our guys all over and one time Proctor when up for a layup he was fouled 4 times and never got a call. One guy (Selvig ) had his hands around Proctors neck. so to answer your question, no I really don't believe we get the breaks that you think we did. In all honesty!! College sports is so much more fun than the pros!! Maybe this will make for a great rivalry. Lets have fun!! I know, easy for me to say,huh!

 

[gobears2010]

2010, BSB: why won't you answer my basic question?

Because the answer is obvious, they're telling you the Griz got jobbed because they know you're a Griz fan and are trying to be sympathetic. Duh.

 

[gobears2010]

Hey everettgriz, this may sound ridiculous to you but in all honesty,we in the stands thought we were getting the shaft.We really thought that Montana was hacking our guys all over and one time Proctor when up for a layup he was fouled 4 times and never got a call. One guy (Selvig ) had his hands around Proctors neck. so to answer your question, no I really don't believe we get the breaks that you think we did. In all honesty!! College sports is so much more fun than the pros!! Maybe this will make for a great rivalry. Lets have fun!! I know, easy for me to say,huh!

Don't forget the fact that Montana traveled at will without it being called.

 

[gobears2010]

The fact that fans from all over the nation seen this and are questioning the one sided officiating, is enough for us all to know, it did play huge factor in the tournament. If it were a well officiated game/tournament this subject would not be commented on the way it has been since. Officiating played a larger role in the outcome than it should ever play.

unc fans know this. It's why they refuse to answer my simple question. They know damn well they got very favorable officiating. They don't want to admit it, but they know it.

And Griz fans know that UNC is a better team than Montana and B.J. Hill is a better coach than Wayne Tinkle and don't want to admit it.

 

[gobears2010]

I just find it hilarious that Griz fans have chosen to endlessly bitch abour the refs and ignore the fact that UM got outrebounded by 11 against a team with no one taller than 6'8", Will Cherry had no assists in 34 minutes, Brian Qvale didn't score and only attempted one shot between the 11:35 mark of the 1st half and the 0:28 mark of the second, despite being on the floor for 26 minutes in that span, Derek Selvig went 1-8 from the floor and only had 3 rebounds, UNC shot 50% in the second half, including Beitzel's 3-4 mark from beyond the arc and the Griz were taking layups and intentionally fouling 85+ percent free throw shooters down the stretch.

All of those things had much more to do with the outcome of the game than the officiating did. Montana was outplayed and outcoached. Get over it.

I find it hilarious UNC Bear fans are over on a Griz forum trying to defend the refs and the fact that they shot 70 free throws in 2 games, while their opponents shot 36. It's not just Griz fans that saw what happened on ESPN2 and Altitude... NAU fans suffered from the same horrible officiating. Even some of the Cat fans who have posted over here who hate the Griz have said the Griz got royally screwed.

We've already covered the rebounding in another thread. When you are playing in foul trouble and every little ticky tack thing is being called on you, you stop being aggressive.. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs their head examined. Selvig going 1-8..so? Kaba went 1-8 from the FT line. Good shooters have piss poor days occasionally.

Here's a little interesting fact for you....both NAU and the Griz outscored UNC when you take away the god awful free throw difference.

Get over it... your team tremendously benefited from a very 1 sided ref'n job, and it was broadcast on national TV for college basketball fans everywhere to witness.

Qvale had 2 rebounds in 17 minutes in the second half! He should have more than that just by being 4 inches taller than anyone else on the court for that long! Hell, if I was 6'11" I could grab more than 2 rebounds in a half against UNC!

 

[EverettGriz]

2010, BSB: why won't you answer my basic question?

Because the answer is obvious, they're telling you the Griz got jobbed because they know you're a Griz fan and are trying to be sympathetic. Duh.

Are you not paying attention or are you not bright?

Yes, some people who spoke to me knew I was a Griz. One did not.

But I don't care about them. What about posters on the University of Minnesota site? Or a writer for the Tacoma newspaper? Or the two sets of national announcers on tv and radio? Those guys don't have any skin in the game. THOSE are the guys I would like your thoughts on. Why would they -- with nothing more than a casual interest in the game or its outcome -- make a specific point to go out of their way to comment on the officiating, not to say that it was bad, but to say that it was one-sided.

THAT is what I'm looking for a comment on. Those guys wouldn't say specifically that unless there was something to it. But you keep ignoring that question. But I guess I know why..... DUH!

 

[mtgrizrule]

GB1313, I think you just hit the nail on the head. In both UNC games, the only player getting calls was Beitzel. Many others, were getting raped, mugged, held, hacked, etc inside, yet many fouls were called if anyone from Montana or NAU got to close to him, let alone, God Forbid..........actually foul him.

I actually believe it impacted the NAU game more than the championship game. Nonetheless, many call he got were not fouls, and if they were, then those same fouls should have been called more evenly for other players/teams too.

As for the feuding by the fans, it goes with the territory. I am not going to get to into the who is a better coach or team thing, it is ridiculous and sill to do so. The way I see it, whichever team wins the tournament did what they had to do to make the tournament. Last year, Montana did that. This year, UNC did that. Congrats to UNC. As I type this, I just seen the foul called on Adams for a block. I agree with the announcers, Adams had position, and that foul should have been on Beitzel.

 

[gobears2010]

2010, BSB: why won't you answer my basic question?

Because the answer is obvious, they're telling you the Griz got jobbed because they know you're a Griz fan and are trying to be sympathetic. Duh.

Are you not paying attention or are you not bright?

Yes, some people who spoke to me knew I was a Griz. One did not.

But I don't care about them. What about posters on the University of Minnesota site? Or a writer for the Tacoma newspaper? Or the two sets of national announcers on tv and radio? Those guys don't have any skin in the game. THOSE are the guys I would like your thoughts on. Why would they -- with nothing more than a casual interest in the game or its outcome -- make a specific point to go out of their way to comment on the officiating, not to say that it was bad, but to say that it was one-sided.

THAT is what I'm looking for a comment on. Those guys wouldn't say specifically that unless there was something to it. But you keep ignoring that question. But I guess I know why..... DUH!

You and I are used to the homerism and referee hatchet jobs that occur day in and day out in the Big Sky, those folks don't. What they saw as extremely poor officiating was really just another day in the Big Sky. If the game was in Dahlberg, UNC would've gotten hosed just as badly, but we're used to it, outsiders aren't.

Yeah, I'm admitting we got some calls (Cherry's fifth foul was iffy at best), but not as many as Griz fans think and nothing different than what EVERY home team in the Sky gets all season long. People not used to it were taken aback.

 

[EverettGriz]

NO! You still don't get it.

I admitted there were missed calls going both ways. It's the BSC. As you say, we live with that every day. If those people were just saying it was a poorly officiated game, I wouldn't pay it any mind. But they're NOT. They are specifically saying it was a ONE-SIDED officiated game. That's completely different, would you not agree?

But I guess your last sentence is probably as good a recognition as I'll get from you, and it's probably enough. Again, I know many of you feel deep down that the officiating went your way. If you watch the DVR replay, I'm sure you'll feel it even more so.

 

[gobears2010]

NO! You still don't get it.

I admitted there were missed calls going both ways. It's the BSC. As you say, we live with that every day. If those people were just saying it was a poorly officiated game, I wouldn't pay it any mind. But they're NOT. They are specifically saying it was a ONE-SIDED officiated game. That's completely different, would you not agree?

But I guess your last sentence is probably as good a recognition as I'll get from you, and it's probably enough. Again, I know many of you feel deep down that the officiating went your way. If you watch the DVR replay, I'm sure you'll feel it even more so.

No, YOU don't get it.

ALL Big Sky games are one-sided in favor of the home team, that's why home teams have an unreasonably good record in this conference. Last night was no different than any other conference game, that is to say the home team got some calls, and those who don't see it every day thought it was something extraordinary, when it was in reality nothing different than what fans in the Sky have seen since late December.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Both UNC games were extremely one sided. If is a shame that this is even a subject. Montana and UNC are both good enough to have won this with a more evenly called game. UNC won for many reasons, including Montana not rebounding or hitting big shots. Who knows, the outcome may have been the same had the officiating been more even. Then again, would it not be nice to have known this for both Montana and NAU fans?

 

[EverettGriz]

NO! You still don't get it.

I admitted there were missed calls going both ways. It's the BSC. As you say, we live with that every day. If those people were just saying it was a poorly officiated game, I wouldn't pay it any mind. But they're NOT. They are specifically saying it was a ONE-SIDED officiated game. That's completely different, would you not agree?

But I guess your last sentence is probably as good a recognition as I'll get from you, and it's probably enough. Again, I know many of you feel deep down that the officiating went your way. If you watch the DVR replay, I'm sure you'll feel it even more so.

No, YOU don't get it.

ALL Big Sky games are one-sided in favor of the home team, that's why home teams have an unreasonably good record in this conference. Last night was no different than any other conference game, that is to say the home team got some calls, and those who don't see it every day thought it was something extraordinary, when it was in reality nothing different than what fans in the Sky have seen since late December.

Denial. Not just a river in Egypt.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Thanks for making my point, CWR.

I think I'll help Everett prove his point more, Im a Weber State fan and I believe both NAU and UM got incredibly homered by the refs both nights, when I was watching the championship game, I was almost glad Weber didnt make it, because I would have really been pissed if I had to sit through 2 hours of Weber getting homered as badly as the Griz did.

 

[stubbins]

classless excuses by egriz fans on why you lost. Here's the deal with fouls: I saw PLENTY of controversial fouls by BOTH teams. BOTH!!!! That blocking foul on your guy in the last 30 seconds probably could have gone either way, but it went our way. I thought Devon got fouled on one of his 3 pointers late in the game and it should have been a four point play.

You guys are complaining and ripping us and you wonder why other fans in the conference think Montana is arrogant.

Who gives a flying fuck what other fans in the conference think about our fans...as long as they respect the players and teams. Any fan that has made the trip to missoula knows how the griz fans treat other teams and fans. That's all that matters, not what some computer fuck thinks from a bazillion miles away.

 

[EverettGriz]

Thanks WCF.

I hate bitching about officiating, because usually it's just sour grapes. But in this case, the complaints are so wide-spread and from so many people without connections to either team that there absolutely MUST be something to it. And again, I really think most UNC fans really believe it as well, which is why they don't address the question I've asked repeatedly.