This is EXACTLY what I expected

[EverettGriz]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

 

[BigSkyBears]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

Honestly, I thought the calls were 50/50, but that's just me. I didn't hear any complaining from the Griz fans last night at the game and in fact they were really cool and wished us luck in the tourney.

 

[EverettGriz]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

Honestly, I thought the calls were 50/50, but that's just me. I didn't hear any complaining from the Griz fans last night at the game and in fact they were really cool and wished us luck in the tourney.

Right, as I expected. So, how do you explain all of the comments from people who have no ties to either program saying the officiating favored UNC. I've had 6 people in Seattle tell me that very thing today, one of whom who didn't even know I was a Griz fan, just someone I was talking to while waiting for my Starbucks. So, what about those people? Can they all be wrong, or is it more likely that the vast majority of all the critical calls went to UNC and the questionable ones against UM?

 

[GrizWhiz]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

What will he say? Not much! It was a hose job extraordinaire and an embarrassment to the conference. A game officiated like that calls in to question the integrity of the officials and the credibility of the league that employs them.

 

[BigSkyBears]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

Honestly, I thought the calls were 50/50, but that's just me. I didn't hear any complaining from the Griz fans last night at the game and in fact they were really cool and wished us luck in the tourney.

Right, as I expected. So, how do you explain all of the comments from people who have no ties to either program saying the officiating favored UNC. I've had 6 people in Seattle tell me that very thing today, one of whom who didn't even know I was a Griz fan, just someone I was talking to while waiting for my Starbucks. So, what about those people? Can they all be wrong, or is it more likely that the vast majority of all the critical calls went to UNC and the questionable ones against UM?

I'm sure there are 6 people who thought the game was called fair too.

 

[gobears2010]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

Maybe UNC got more calls, maybe they didn't, I'm not going to go back and chart it, but they certainly didn't get EVERY call as you claimed earlier.

I remember at least three times last night when a Montana player blatantly traveled, it wasn't called, and the Griz ended up scoring on the possession. There was also the time Selvig went down like he'd been shot on a 3-point attempt and got himself three free throws. There was also the time he went over Kingman's back for a rebound, knocked the ball out of bounds and somehow the refs gave it to the Griz. Also, there was a drive by Beitzel early in the game on which he got clobbered by Qvale with no call. I won't comment on the block/charge with Selvig and Kaba late because I had no angle on it, but the call went Montana's way.

There, I mentioned 6 or 7 specific plays last night on which the Griz were on the right side of the whistles.

Even if UNC got the lion's share of the calls last night, I've seen refs favor Montana over and over and over again in five years in the Big Sky, so maybe what goes around comes around.

 

[EverettGriz]

Are you avoiding the question because you don't want to answer it?

Look, I'm sure there are six people who felt it was officiated fairly. But how often do you see a poster on the Univ of Minnesota's website or a writer for a paper in Tacoma commenting on the officiating of a game they probably don't give a shit about? That never happens, unless there's a reason. I'm simply asking, "Is it reasonable that Montana fans would be upset over the officiating when people in Minneapolis are"?

edit: I didn't claim unc got every call. I agreed there were missed calls on both teams. Shit, it's the BSC; there were probably missed calls every trip down the floor. What I said -- what other independent people are saying -- is that unc got every CRITICAL and CLOSE call, and that UM was getting called for fouls and unc wasn't for the same activity. Big difference.

Frankly, I think most reasonable unc fans -- deep down -- know they got away with one last night. Not that they should feel bad about that; it wasn't their doing. But I think put a gun to their heads, most of them would agree they got ALL the breaks.

 

[garizzalies]

The NCAA needs to develop a "flop" rule. Man, it's getting ridiculous the way guys throw themselves on the floor looking for a foul. The one you just referenced, UND, was so blatant that it was sad. They should start T'g players up for that. Shit beitzel would be gone 3 minutes in if they did.

I disagree. A flop rule would add more judgment and more contraversy to an already difficult call. The deterrance is already in place: the flopper looks like an idiot, and the offensive player gets a layup.

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

I think there should be an investigation...I'm not kidding.

 

[Grizbacker1]

It is exactly what the OP expected because if he had a shred on honesty in him he would aknowledge the homer job that it was. I spoke to some people I know in Greeley that are UNC fans, and they were embarassed. Your Coach couldn't even look at Tinkle after the game. In fact, he had a guilty expression on his face.

I don't blame UNC at all, they didn't call the game. The Big Sky Conference, and Marla Denham, who is the supervisor of officials should issue a public apology to the UM Coaches and players for that debacle. Please contact the Big Sky Conference offices and voice your concerns.

I looked on the Big Sky Conference website and of course Fullerton and Denham don't list their email addresses. Please call, or mail or fax your letters to:

Big Sky Conference
2491 Washington BLVD, Suite 201
Ogden, UT 84401
Phone Number: 801.392.1978

 

[grizenvy]

Or send an email to:
[email protected]

 

[GoBears1313]

Wow. I guess I have read enough. Now you are pissing me off. I used to respect you Griz fans. Unbelievable. You think the world revolves around the Griz?? Are you kidding me. UNC fans embarrassed, BUllshit!! Saying we are not worthy that we suck and hoping we get our asses kicked and how we have made the conference look like shit. Shame on you. All we have wanted to do is get up to speed with the winning standards that UM has set.You are only as strong as your weakest link!! You people sound like Charlie Sheen, not my fault. Its everybody elses!! The better the rest of the conference gets the better for all of us. I was always taught, that never let anyone choose your destiny for you and I'm sure Coach Tinkle would say the same thing. Grow fckn up!!

 

[EverettGriz]

Oh calm down. The vast majority of posters on this site have given UNC their due.

The vast majority of us also think that unc got very, very friendly officiating, and that the result may have been different (in either game) without it. So far, no unc fan have answered my very reasonable question: How do you address those with no connection to either school who think that the game was unfairly officiated? People with no skin in the game don't just make stuff like that up; there HAS to be something behind what they're saying.

I'm simply asking: how would you address that question.

The fact that no unc fan is addressing that issue is very telling to me, and that they don't have a reasonable answer other than, "We got all the breaks". And it's okay to say it; again, it wasn't your doing.

 

[GrizWhiz]

BSB,

I am honestly curious how you would address Dexter's post. Seemingly every indpendent person thinks that the officiating was one-sided. Do you agree, and if not, what do you attribute that to? I mean, even CAT fans are saying the Griz got ripped off. I thought that would take the end of the world...

So in all seriousness, what do you say to that?

Honestly, I thought the calls were 50/50, but that's just me. I didn't hear any complaining from the Griz fans last night at the game and in fact they were really cool and wished us luck in the tourney.

Right, as I expected. So, how do you explain all of the comments from people who have no ties to either program saying the officiating favored UNC. I've had 6 people in Seattle tell me that very thing today, one of whom who didn't even know I was a Griz fan, just someone I was talking to while waiting for my Starbucks. So, what about those people? Can they all be wrong, or is it more likely that the vast majority of all the critical calls went to UNC and the questionable ones against UM?

I'm sure there are 6 people who thought the game was called fair too.

weak!

 

[gobears2010]

I just find it hilarious that Griz fans have chosen to endlessly bitch abour the refs and ignore the fact that UM got outrebounded by 11 against a team with no one taller than 6'8", Will Cherry had no assists in 34 minutes, Brian Qvale didn't score and only attempted one shot between the 11:35 mark of the 1st half and the 0:28 mark of the second, despite being on the floor for 26 minutes in that span, Derek Selvig went 1-8 from the floor and only had 3 rebounds, UNC shot 50% in the second half, including Beitzel's 3-4 mark from beyond the arc and the Griz were taking layups and intentionally fouling 85+ percent free throw shooters down the stretch.

All of those things had much more to do with the outcome of the game than the officiating did. Montana was outplayed and outcoached. Get over it.

 

[Potomac Griz]

It is exactly what the OP expected because if he had a shred on honesty in him he would aknowledge the homer job that it was. I spoke to some people I know in Greeley that are UNC fans, and they were embarassed. Your Coach couldn't even look at Tinkle after the game. In fact, he had a guilty expression on his face.

I don't blame UNC at all, they didn't call the game. The Big Sky Conference, and Marla Denham, who is the supervisor of officials should issue a public apology to the UM Coaches and players for that debacle. Please contact the Big Sky Conference offices and voice your concerns.

I looked on the Big Sky Conference website and of course Fullerton and Denham don't list their email addresses. Please call, or mail or fax your letters to:

Big Sky Conference
2491 Washington BLVD, Suite 201
Ogden, UT 84401
Phone Number: 801.392.1978

Exactly.. It's not UNC's fault, their coaches fault or anything like that. I really do hope UNC makes waves in the NCAA tournament. I'd love to see Beitzel go off for 40 against a 2 seed or something like that.

Oh and here ya go. It should be pretty current, as it's from the 2010 PSU Football Media Guide:

Commissioner Douglas B. Fullerton
Phone: (801) 392-1978 x10
e-mail: [email protected]

Officiating Services (Volleyball, Basketball) Marla Denham
Phone: (480) 497-0404 Fax: (480) 497-9111
e-mail: mdenham / at / q.com (mdenham / at / bigskyconference.org may also work instead of the Qwest email address there)

Associate Commissioner/Championships Ron Loghry
Phone: (801) 392-1978 x14
e-mail: rloghry / at / bigskyconference.org

Assistant Commissioner/Media Relations Jon Kasper
Phone: (801) 392-1978 x16
e-mail: jkasper / at / bigskyconference.org

 

[EverettGriz]

2010, you're not reading the threads. We've all agreed those were the reasons UM lost. The Griz didn't lose because of the officials. They lost because they didn't play good basketball. That fact, coupled with the one-side officiating, made a win impossible. With equal offiicating, Montana likely overcomes those things and still wins.

But we find it funny that unc fans won't admit that the officiating was clearly one-sided when completely objective people from all over are saying it. It's OKAY to admit it. We all know it anyway.

 

[Inland NW Griz]

Here's a telling stat...

NAU averaged just over 18 free throw attempts a game over the course of the season. They shot 17 in the one game in Greely.

Montana averaged 22 per game in season. In the two games at Greely, they shot 19 and 23.

UNC averaged just under 23 per game in season. In the two games in Greely, they averaged 35 per game..

Hmmm.... I sure can't understand why some people may question the refs.. It's a mystery... :roll: :lol:

 

[gobears2010]

Here's a telling stat...

NAU averaged just over 18 free throw attempts a game over the course of the season. They shot 17 in the one game in Greely.

Montana averaged 22 per game in season. In the two games at Greely, they shot 19 and 23.

UNC averaged just under 23 per game in season. In the two games in Greely, they averaged 35 per game..

Hmmm.... I sure can't understand why some people may question the refs.. It's a mystery... :roll: :lol:

You completely ignored that 10 of UNC's free throws last night came when Montana was intentionally fouling to extend the game...

 

[EverettGriz]

2010, BSB: why won't you answer my basic question?