The lesser publicized consequences of making the move

[NorthwestFresh]

UM doesn't have a shot in hell at winning a national championship in any other sport they offer.



Yet I cannot imagine anyone who would want those programs to step down and play lower competition just to have a shot at going to the DII playoffs. I don't understand why football is any different.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but haven't victories in the NCAA hoops tournament been celebrated by Griz fans, even though there is "no shot at a title"?

 

[EverettGriz]

UM doesn't have a shot in hell at winning a national championship in any other sport they offer.



Yet I cannot imagine anyone who would want those programs to step down and play lower competition just to have a shot at going to the DII playoffs. I don't understand why football is any different.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but haven't victories in the NCAA hoops tournament been celebrated by Griz fans, even though there is "no shot at a title"?

Ummmmm, that's precisely the point. Read slowly. It's okay to sound out the big words.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

UM doesn't have a shot in hell at winning a national championship in any other sport they offer.



Yet I cannot imagine anyone who would want those programs to step down and play lower competition just to have a shot at going to the DII playoffs. I don't understand why football is any different.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but haven't victories in the NCAA hoops tournament been celebrated by Griz fans, even though there is "no shot at a title"?

Ummmmm, that's precisely the point. Read slowly. It's okay to sound out the big words.

Yeah, I read it again and still don't understand what you're trying to relay to people. The other NCAA sports have playoffs, and people celebrate when the Griz win games in those playoffs. Same with the Lady Griz. What that has to do with no-name bowl games at the FBS game lost me, though. The Griz have had up to 10 home games in a year thanks to the FCS playoffs. Would 6 home games and a chance to play maybe in the Tater Bowl be worth moving up a level?

 

[chigriz]

I have been "lurking on this board" for quite some time. I am a long time griz fan, season ticket holder, supporter, etc. I understand many of you don't have the luxury of attending all the home games, but I have lived all over and seen many hometown crowds. U of M is one of the best. The problem of moving up and having 1 bowl game after regular season is that Box holders, corp sponsors are gonna be less inclined to purchase their tickets, boxes. I just so happen to be one of those, which has the fortunate opportunity to spend time in a box every game. I know the costs!!! It makes a 4 seat season ticket holder on the 50 on West side look plum stupid. Those people are looking for more than six home games. We move up, lose games, bowl game in f---- ng arkansas. Watch your dollars drop!

 

[Grizzlies1982]

The premise of this post, and the article, is that success in athletics benefits the University as a whole. This is true. However some are taking this to mean, "If only UM moved up we could enjoy that benefit". What they are overlooking is that Montana has been enjoying that very benefit with the success they've had where we are at.

Up until the recent National Enquirer style scandals the school enrolment numbers were growing. Even with those scandals the University has continued to see an enormous financial windfall off of past football success. The interest in and exposure for UM has far exceeded that enjoyed by most schools already at the higher level. The key is not FCS vs FBS, the key has been success at whatever level you're at.

No we haven't (or ever will) experienced what Notre Dame or Alabama has enjoyed. Nor have we seen the impact Boise State saw. Yet there is not another former FCS program out there which has benefited more than Montana has while remaining FCS. This is not rocket science. Consistently win and you will gain attention. Be an also ran at any level and expect to be ignored.
:ugeek:

 

[EverettGriz]

The premise of this post, and the article, is that success in athletics benefits the University as a whole. This is true. However some are taking this to mean, "If only UM moved up we could enjoy that benefit". What they are overlooking is that Montana has been enjoying that very benefit with the success they've had where we are at.

Up until the recent National Enquirer style scandals the school enrolment numbers were growing. Even with those scandals the University has continued to see an enormous financial windfall off of past football success. The interest in and exposure for UM has far exceeded that enjoyed by most schools already at the higher level. The key is not FCS vs FBS, the key has been success at whatever level you're at.

No we haven't (or ever will) experienced what Notre Dame or Alabama has enjoyed. Nor have we seen the impact Boise State saw. Yet there is not another former FCS program out there which has benefited more than Montana has while remaining FCS. This is not rocket science. Consistently win and you will gain attention. Be an also ran at any level and expect to be ignored.
:ugeek:

While I agree in principle, I think there's a definite point of diminishing marginal returns. And I think we're fast approaching it. I like wins. But I don't care for wins over East Junior College That's In Some State's Panhandle. I love the FCS as it was. But that ain't what it is now, and it's only getting worse. And what REALLY worries me is that the money in FCS (what VERY little of it there was to begin with) is evaporating faster than sweat on a cockroach in the Sahara.

I just don't want Montana -- the absolute best FCS program in history -- to soon be reduced to playing teams you can't find on a map.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

The premise of this post, and the article, is that success in athletics benefits the University as a whole. This is true. However some are taking this to mean, "If only UM moved up we could enjoy that benefit". What they are overlooking is that Montana has been enjoying that very benefit with the success they've had where we are at.

Up until the recent National Enquirer style scandals the school enrolment numbers were growing. Even with those scandals the University has continued to see an enormous financial windfall off of past football success. The interest in and exposure for UM has far exceeded that enjoyed by most schools already at the higher level. The key is not FCS vs FBS, the key has been success at whatever level you're at.

No we haven't (or ever will) experienced what Notre Dame or Alabama has enjoyed. Nor have we seen the impact Boise State saw. Yet there is not another former FCS program out there which has benefited more than Montana has while remaining FCS. This is not rocket science. Consistently win and you will gain attention. Be an also ran at any level and expect to be ignored.
:ugeek:

While I agree in principle, I think there's a definite point of diminishing marginal returns. And I think we're fast approaching it. I like wins. But I don't care for wins over East Junior College That's In Some State's Panhandle. I love the FCS as it was. But that ain't what it is now, and it's only getting worse. And what REALLY worries me is that the money in FCS (what VERY little of it there was to begin with) is evaporating faster than sweat on a cockroach in the Sahara.

I just don't want Montana -- the absolute best FCS program in history -- to soon be reduced to playing teams you can't find on a map.

Montana will become the team that real FBS schools can't find on a map. Pre-conference fodder for the Big Boys, and a game that the Washingtons, USCs, and Oregons use as a practice game. You're not a big donor or suite-holder, anyhow, so I don't understand why you are so pro-FBS.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I have been "lurking on this board" for quite some time. I am a long time griz fan, season ticket holder, supporter, etc. I understand many of you don't have the luxury of attending all the home games, but I have lived all over and seen many hometown crowds. U of M is one of the best. The problem of moving up and having 1 bowl game after regular season is that Box holders, corp sponsors are gonna be less inclined to purchase their tickets, boxes. I just so happen to be one of those, which has the fortunate opportunity to spend time in a box every game. I know the costs!!! It makes a 4 seat season ticket holder on the 50 on West side look plum stupid. Those people are looking for more than six home games. We move up, lose games, bowl game in f---- ng arkansas. Watch your dollars drop!

The people that don't fund raise or contribute big money to the program don't understand this. They watch games on TV from the Seattle area and dream of snapping their fingers and being Boise State. :roll:

 

[kemajic]

I honestly would rather watch 4 more Griz games than play in the Idaho Potato Bowl...I want a playoff, it is clear we will never be in for the BCS National Championship. I just want a playoff regardless of the level.

Oh gotcha, I fully agree. I thought you were saying you'd be for a "move up" as long as everyone in the Highest division has a chance to "qualify" for a playoff system at the highest level.

It's all about football for me. I love to watch it and more than anything I want to go to Missoula and cheer on my team. Playing 11 or 12 games against a lower conference in BCS and then playing in a bowl game on a Tuesday night in Arkansas doesn't sound great to me. Going to 6 7 8 9 10??? home Griz games. That's where it's at and playoffs get me to that spot.

Another thing about this is that UM could plan on having some 'payday' away games as a lower-tier FBS team, meaning that there wouldn't be as many home games in a season. Unless UM can get near 45k in terms of attendance, the idea of even a 2-for-1 home and home with any decent FBS program is a pipe dream.

Utah State, as an example, went 11-2 last year, won the WAC, averaged over 20k a game, and only had 6 home games. Their 2 losses were at Wisconsin 16-14, and at BYU 6-3. That team was 5 points away from going 13-0, and still had to play two 'payday' games. For that season, they played in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl against one scrub FBS team or the other.

And the status quo group here could do nothing but rag them when they were afraid of UM accepting a WAC offer.

 

[kemajic]

No-name bowls aren't money-makers for small schools

But FCS playoff games are "money-makers for small schools"? Far from it; they are are money-losers across the board.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

No-name bowls aren't money-makers for small schools

But FCS playoff games are "money-makers for small schools"? Far from it; they are are money-losers across the board.

UM is making money on the football program right now, and people are paying FBS prices to watch FCS football because the Griz win games historically.

I'd like to know who is going to help pay for 20 more scholarships, who is going to pay for an indoor practice facility, and who is going to buy season tickets with 6 home games instead of up to 10. Because without the money upfront, UM will be laughed out of most FBS recruits' living rooms.

 

[FCS Go!]

Kem- the issue is that bowl game money is one of the ways that move-up advocates say the extra expense of FBS will be paid for, not whether all playoff teams make money.

NWF- I disagree with your last line, I think UM would be able to recruit well against other regional (i.e. MWC) teams but would have trouble vs. PAC.

This issue is all about money and until the move-up crowd can explain how to pay for it UM will be FCS.

 

[Silvertip]

Putting a fine point on the argument of those who say it's waste of good cyberspace to address the "to move or not to move" subject now, the answer is a resounding No. Even if the university had received a valid invitation from the Big West, WAC, MWC et al. it wasn't then and never has been in a position to accept - or even reject - an offer because the administration, remaining flat-footed, has never done its homework. So how far down the road will you kick this can?

UM has never studied the issue, never crunched the numbers, never solicited or gauged potential interest of those who might financially support an upgraded athletic program. It's never even suggested it was interested in doing any of the work required to know if a move would be feasible. Three years ago President Dennison said they were "taking a look" at the dynamic changes occurring in college athletics, but for what purpose? Even wily old George knew that comment was nothing but ear wash.

So to those who say wait..the question is wait for what? If you don't know where you're going you're already there...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Putting a fine point on the argument of those who say it's waste of good cyberspace to address the "to move or not to move" subject now, the answer is a resounding No. Even if the university had received a valid invitation from the Big West, WAC, MWC et al. it wasn't then and never has been in a position to accept - or even reject - an offer because the administration, remaining flat-footed, has never done its homework. So how far down the road will you kick this can?

UM has never studied the issue, never crunched the numbers, never solicited or gauged potential interest of those who might financially support an upgraded athletic program. It's never even suggested it was interested in doing any of the work required to know if a move would be feasible. Three years ago President Dennison said they were "taking a look" at the dynamic changes occurring in college athletics, but for what purpose? Even wily old George knew that comment was nothing but ear wash.

So to those who say wait..the question is wait for what? If you don't know where you're going you're already there...

 

[Spanky]

wily old George had no intention of doing anything...the Amish Guy, the same.

 

[spokaneman]

:lol: :lol: You guys are honestly pathetic.... slap nut funny but pathetic just the same...

5-6!!!

How about you guys just hope for a winning season before you start punching your tickets to the BCS National Championship game!! :thumb: :lol: :lol:

 

[CrunchGriz]

:lol: :lol: You guys are honestly pathetic.... slap nut funny but pathetic just the same...

5-6!!!

How about you guys just hope for a winning season before you start punching your tickets to the BCS National Championship game!! :thumb: :lol: :lol:

Keep hangin' your hat on that 2012 record...because it is so representative of what the Griz will bring to the table, and have brought in the past.

The fact is this: It was Montana's first losing record in 27 years. That's called an aberration, not a trend.

If you truly believe 5-6 is what you'll see from the 2013 Griz, you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Silvertip]

Putting a fine point on the argument of those who say it's waste of good cyberspace to address the "to move or not to move" subject now, the answer is a resounding No. Even if the university had received a valid invitation from the Big West, WAC, MWC et al. it wasn't then and never has been in a position to accept - or even reject - an offer because the administration, remaining flat-footed, has never done its homework. So how far down the road will you kick this can?

UM has never studied the issue, never crunched the numbers, never solicited or gauged potential interest of those who might financially support an upgraded athletic program. It's never even suggested it was interested in doing any of the work required to know if a move would be feasible. Three years ago President Dennison said they were "taking a look" at the dynamic changes occurring in college athletics, but for what purpose? Even wily old George knew that comment was nothing but ear wash.

So to those who say wait..the question is wait for what? If you don't know where you're going you're already there...

Putting a fine point on the argument of those who say it's waste of good cyberspace to address the "to move or not to move" subject now, the answer is a resounding No. Even if the university had received a valid invitation from the Big West, WAC, MWC et al. it wasn't then and never has been in a position to accept - or even reject - an offer because the administration, remaining flat-footed, has never done its homework. So how far down the road will you kick this can?

UM has never studied the issue, never crunched the numbers, never solicited or gauged potential interest of those who might financially support an upgraded athletic program. It's never even suggested it was interested in doing any of the work required to know if a move would be feasible. Three years ago President Dennison said they were "taking a look" at the dynamic changes occurring in college athletics, but for what purpose? Even wily old George knew that comment was nothing but ear wash.

So to those who say wait..the question is wait for what? If you don't know where you're going you're already there...

Lewis Carroll was good, but he was talking about folks with the curiosity and ambition to take to the Yellow Brick Road. At UM the horse never leaves the barn...

 

[AZGrizFan]

:lol: :lol: You guys are honestly pathetic.... slap nut funny but pathetic just the same...

5-6!!!

How about you guys just hope for a winning season before you start punching your tickets to the BCS National Championship game!! :thumb: :lol: :lol:

You guys would be the experts at hoping for a winning season.... :roll:

 

[GoosetownGriz]

:lol: :lol: You guys are honestly pathetic.... slap nut funny but pathetic just the same...

5-6!!!

How about you guys just hope for a winning season before you start punching your tickets to the BCS National Championship game!! :thumb: :lol: :lol:

Oh my god this from an EWU fan. Sounds like Eastern is now offering classes about irony.


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