Strong

[Mavman]

This wyatt kid was in a bad car accident in 2014 when his buddy held his breath while driving through a tunnel and passed out. I hope he completely heals from this latest ordeal and has better fortunes going forward.

Im sorry but that has got to be the dumbest most ridiculous reason ive ever heard to get into a car crash lol.

yeah i'm sure the couple in the other lane they hit head on agree!

 

[Diesel]

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

Fat Bruno is right on this...Strong's basic story is that he hit the guy while he was trying to get up. That makes it not self defense...I have watch enough Locked up to know that much.

unless... he was getting up to continue to fight strong...

Merkleman's post summed things up, both parties are culpable and if Wyatt presses charges than Justin would too. Police have to book someone with the injuries.
Probably not in Wyatt's best interest to press charges. With social media posts of being a MMA fighter and tough guy and the initial fight with two guys wounded. Self defense may not hold up in court, but may never see a court.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Look Guys: This is a bump in the road. Hell our number 1 QB goes down and guess What? Here comes a talented Freshman. I, as an ex coach understand "Bad News on late night calls from the Jail house. These coaches get paid to prepare for that fact that Nothing should surprise them if they have spent any time in the collegiate Ranks. Laser in on Weber. Less discussion the better. Upbeat practices, great film sessions, and Coach up the back-ups. Go Grizz

Good post. Exactly correct.

 

[bhumble]

At this point all we know is something serious happened. He admitted to chasing the dude down and whooping his ass....

It doesnt matter if the kid deserved it....it doesnt matter what the court says..or who can prove what...

At this point all that matters is that Mr. Strong put himself in a stupid situation...and it has now cost him and his teammates....

Would I like to have him on the team still yes..absolutely

If I'm Stitt I'm kicking him off the team..and saying sorry kid but you did this yourself..best of luck.

Play stupid fvcking games..win stupid fvcking prizes.

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

Read the police report again. Pay attention to what Strong said.

I have. Now, why are you unable to articulate or quote anything? My guess is that because you have no point to make.

"he (Strong) said he fled after him with the initial intent to fight him" are you really that stupid?

 

[ranco]

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

I haven't made any excuses. If the guy turns around, puts up his fists, is big/muscular, and has already hit you/friends in the house--or calls you an N-er, says threatening things, throws a punch or pulls a weapon--then it's perfectly fine to defends oneself. Just depends on the actual facts. Running after someone is not the end of the story.

I have never lost case in court, just for the record.

That would require being in court.

 

[ordigger]

I would honestly be pissed that he was even at a house party....

Almost every other house party I've ever been in while I was in college had a fight go down.

Its just the scenario...biggest part of the season ahead....just dont go man, wait a couple months till the season is done, than have your fun.

It could be anything...maybe cops show up and find drugs at the house...you didnt do them, not yours, but who knows how it will play out. Just DONT BE IN THAT SCENARIO RIGHT NOW!!!!

You are naive. Most college kids including players go to house parties every weekend. Especially players when they are supposed to stay out of the bars during season. I have been to a few thousand house parties, and probably seen only a half dozen fights.

Either you've never been to a house party in Butte, or all six you seen were in Butte because never in the history of man, has there never not been a fight in Butte, whether it be at a house party, a bar, in the street, or naked in the country.

Rules for non-Butte residents when headed to a bar in Butte:

1) First thing upon entering is buy everyone in the bar a drink. You will never buy another drink that night (except, see rule 2 below), will make a bar full of friends instantly and nobody will look to you for a fight:

2) Second, if you are a big guy, and you look around and see you are the biggest guy in the bar, somebody will try to pick a fight with you, so be ready to buy a second round of drinks which will buy you a pass, unless you want to fight;

3) If you ignore rule 2 and get your ass kicked, a) when knocked down stay down until someone picks you up, and b) accept drinks from the bad ass dude and the crowd and have fun because the guy that knocked you down will be your best buddy next time in town.

4) If you like the redheaded lassie in the corner, and the boys say give it a try, ask her if she can help you come up with something saucy to talk about in your next confession.

5) There's no advice to give if you win the fight because you won't, unless you just moved back to Butte, and you'll already know what to do.

1. Is wrong, but you'll still fight, only now it will be against your friends.
2. Not true, I'm always the biggest guy in the bar - and no one ever says a word to me.
3. True, laughed at a guy once outside Copper King, after he sucker punched me. Still buys drinks for me, but I don't drink...lol.
4. No comment
5. Doesn't matter if you win or lose, two nights later you have to deal with the brother, and then the next brother, then the buddy, then two brothers at once. You could wind them all, and you'd still have their pissed off granny, sister and mother to deal with. I've seen it.

 

[Fat Bruno]

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

I haven't made any excuses. If the guy turns around, puts up his fists, is big/muscular, and has already hit you/friends in the house--or calls you an N-er, says threatening things, throws a punch or pulls a weapon--then it's perfectly fine to defends oneself. Just depends on the actual facts. Running after someone is not the end of the story.

I have never lost case in court, just for the record.

Haha ... as I said ... your blithe and whimsical changing of the stories. I'm still back at your original, unabridged and unedited version where the guy just turned around to face the guys who were chasing him. Now, you add a bunch more horse shit to cover your ass ... which badly needs covering. Never lost a case, eh, Perry? ... so, a new world record, eh? And, all that between thousands of house parties -- where everyone must imagine that you're really a young dude who's only disguised as the dirty old man -- perpetual entertainment of lofty sports figures "at the lake house," and virtually living on this board! Impressive shit, dude.

 

[ordigger]

Why would he chase down a "big and aggressive" man? The self defense aspects of this thing are really, really ambiguous to me.

Again, my view is that the self-defense analysis will be mostly based on what happened in the seconds before Strong's punch. The rest, like the skirmish in the house and chasing, will be used, but will be more background.

The most fascinating thing to me in this entire thread, is the fact that PR has been to "Thousands" of house parties. I'm a pretty good partier and I'm getting older but I still probably haven't cracked the 1,000 barrier yet. :clap:

I'm starting to warm up to you PR. :lol:

I went to 10 house parties on one weekend earlier this month, in Tennessee. 100's of people at several of them. Lots of college students, and adults. No fights. We have scores of them at our house every year, especially in the summer.

Actually I can understand this. Having dated a couple of Ivy ladies from Brown, and Columbia - and going to house parties with them years ago. Some of the most boring parties I've ever been to. I kid you not, at one they were playing a game of charades - that's what happens when drama majors get together, and drink!

 

[snap]

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

I haven't made any excuses. If the guy turns around, puts up his fists, is big/muscular, and has already hit you/friends in the house--or calls you an N-er, says threatening things, throws a punch or pulls a weapon--then it's perfectly fine to defends oneself. Just depends on the actual facts. Running after someone is not the end of the story.

I have never lost case in court, just for the record.

Haha ... as I said ... your blithe and whimsical changing of the stories. I'm still back at your original, unabridged and unedited version where the guy just turned around to face the guys who were chasing him. Now, you add a bunch more horse shit to cover your ass ... which badly needs covering. Never lost a case, eh, Perry? ... so, a new world record, eh? And, all that between thousands of house parties -- where everyone must imagine that you're really a young dude who's only disguised as the dirty old man -- perpetual entertainment of lofty sports figures "at the lake house," and virtually living on this board! Impressive shit, dude.

You're just pissed cause PR is living the baller life and partying his tits off.

 

[bhumble]

Just want to touch on a few points.

1) anyone suggesting by looking at the roster you can ascertain who was there is false.

2) What we know about the incident

-The WSU student started the fight in the house. What we dont know is who the aggressor was when they met up again
-The witnesses mentioned in the report and the affidavit all at the very least were acquaintances of the WSU student. They were all able to identify him by name. And none of them were able to name Strong or his friends by. This would make anything they say at the least questionable and biased.
-The investigating Officer did a poor job. She should have at least taken the names and contact info for the people with Strong. In reality should have taken statements from them as well.


I have investigated countless cases and written countless affidavits of probable cause. Where i worked nothing would come of this. Its mutual combat. If they charge Strong they would have to Charge the WSU student for the assault at the party. There is more evidence supporting that then the back end of the incident. What Strong allegedly did doesn't take away what the WSU student did at the party.Either they both get charged or neither do. I suspect they would both choose the latter.

Taking all the information available I wouldnt charge either of them as they are both culpable. I would have advised both that I wouldnt be filing charges but if either of them wanted to they had a right to go to the courts and file a private criminal complaint but they would be doing it at their own peril.

This entire thing goes away. One game suspension and he is playing next week.

So much for the expert

 

[ordigger]

Just want to touch on a few points.

1) anyone suggesting by looking at the roster you can ascertain who was there is false.

2) What we know about the incident

-The WSU student started the fight in the house. What we dont know is who the aggressor was when they met up again
-The witnesses mentioned in the report and the affidavit all at the very least were acquaintances of the WSU student. They were all able to identify him by name. And none of them were able to name Strong or his friends by. This would make anything they say at the least questionable and biased.
-The investigating Officer did a poor job. She should have at least taken the names and contact info for the people with Strong. In reality should have taken statements from them as well.


I have investigated countless cases and written countless affidavits of probable cause. Where i worked nothing would come of this. Its mutual combat. If they charge Strong they would have to Charge the WSU student for the assault at the party. There is more evidence supporting that then the back end of the incident. What Strong allegedly did doesn't take away what the WSU student did at the party.Either they both get charged or neither do. I suspect they would both choose the latter.

Taking all the information available I wouldnt charge either of them as they are both culpable. I would have advised both that I wouldnt be filing charges but if either of them wanted to they had a right to go to the courts and file a private criminal complaint but they would be doing it at their own peril.

This entire thing goes away. One game suspension and he is playing next week.

So much for the expert

He's probably closer to the truth than some posting.

 

[Ursus1]

Good thing this isn't court...PR is getting worked over by a bad lawyer (PR opinion, not mine ) and amateurs........ hope Strong finds one far more capable or he might get convicted of assassinating JFK as well.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Here's the latest from the Missoulian with updates.

- not charged as of yet
- police have identified the other two with Strong but will not release names or if they are UM players
- other party has either been released from hospital already or soon will be (that is good to hear)

http://missoulian.com/news/local/grizzlies-justin-strong-suspended-for-two-games-after-weekend-arrest/article_94ab291b-71bd-5cfa-ba3e-a74652740ba2.amp.html

 

[Phat Cat]

You take a little break from the grind and this is what you drive back to Missoula with? How many times did he say driving back "I should of stayed in the Zoo." Bad thing about being sober at 2am? There's dunk people around you that can mess things up. Sucks.....

 

[Ursus1]

So does this sew up him winning hardest hitter award again this year.......

 

[GrizzGriz]

So does this sew up him winning hardest hitter award again this year.......

Eh...does explain some of our defensive issues...our starting safety chases but can’t catch a hammer thrower....

 

[Diesel]

So does this sew up him winning hardest hitter award again this year.......

Eh...does explain some of our defensive issues...our starting safety chases but can’t catch a hammer thrower....

Got hammered almost got clubed and concussed in one night

 

[Washgrizfan1]

Good thing this isn't court...PR is getting worked over by a bad lawyer (PR opinion, not mine ) and amateurs........ hope Strong finds one far more capable or he might get convicted of assassinating JFK as well.

PR and a few others are running circles around you and some of the rest of the board.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

I agree Strong has a problem, but he did not admit to those things. He certainly didn't admit to chasing the guy down. He said he calmed down and then saw that guy as he was going back to the party. He didn't say he whooped the guy. He admitted that he hit him twice.

Read the police report again. Pay attention to what Strong said.

I have. Now, why are you unable to articulate or quote anything? My guess is that because you have no point to make.

"he (Strong) said he fled after him with the initial intent to fight him" are you really that stupid?

You need to read and quote the affidavit. Then, Strong said he had calmed down and was walking back to the house. He said he then encountered the WSU guy, who balled up his fists. So Strong hit him. And Strong said it was self-defense.

Humble, are you really so dumb that you can't read a sentence or two further in the affidavit. Your truly are an idiot.

 

[Igotgoodsources]

What a pathetic crock ... IF that’s what happened. A guy who is being chased by multiple people and who then turns around to defend himself and who is then attacked by a guy who is CHASING him is not the victim of assault!!!? Is there anything you won’t make an excuse for?

You don't know what you're talking about. If a big guy is being chased, stops, turns around, and threatens the people chasing him, or the main one, then it's self-defense. Chasing someone doesn't matter if at the end, the guy comes at you. I am not making excuses for anyone. I am just discussing possible scenarios. Of course, none of us know the facts.

How much do you want to bet that most of what the other 2 guys say will support Strong's basic story?

As I said, "Is there anything you won't excuse?" A guy who is being chased deciding not to run any longer and to make a stand against people threatening him is NOT committing assault and it's utterly ridiculous to say he is. That is as simple a case of self defense as you could make. I like how, suddenly, the guy is "coming at" them by not running anymore. I hope you don't have to go up against too many juries with your blithe and whimsical, integrity free changing of your stories, that way. They'd laugh your ass out of the court room. You're not a rep; you're a dishonest rationalizer.

I haven't made any excuses. If the guy turns around, puts up his fists, is big/muscular, and has already hit you/friends in the house--or calls you an N-er, says threatening things, throws a punch or pulls a weapon--then it's perfectly fine to defends oneself. Just depends on the actual facts. Running after someone is not the end of the story.

I have never lost case in court, just for the record.

Bullshit!!! You are absolutely F-ing ridiculous.