Sterk Stats - Conference Only Stats

[Catsrback76]

Anyways, the best part of this thread is the Karma angle. Calling out a player, who goes on to sack Sneed 2.5 times, which is as many as Sterk had in his last 7 games combined, is delicious.

Pointing out publicly available stats is calling someone out? Oh, really.

But thanks for making my point. Sterk got almost no stats for most of the conference season.

https://twitter.com/ncaa_fcs/status/1206620201619513346

Wait for it!

 

[CatzWillRise]

Look, we all know there absolutely no arguing with you, and if you try you are more than likely to be insulted (and even the sources with data to back you up will also be insulted), but I was curious enough to dig through the stats for my own information. They bore out what I thought, that the sum is greater than the parts on the Bobcat defense.

And I will stand by my dumb statement, the scheme employed by the MSU defense changes weekly based on our opponent, the Cats have a bunch of different personnel packages, and the defense is not designed to flow to any one player or position like the Griz defense is (linebackers). That's why you will see some players have a huge game only to be non-existent the next week. On top of that the coaching staff has made adjustments as the year has gone on.

Individual stats aren't as meaningful as team stats. How else do you describe the fact that the Bobcats had the #1 scoring defense in conference but only had 2 players in the top 50 for tackles (22nd (Troy) and 24th)?

I doubt Dante Olsen would have more than 70 tackles on the Bobcat defense. (70 would be 23 more than the leading Bobcat tackler FYI).

Sorry, I'm calling BS on that post. Scheme? Too funny. Olson is way better than any defensive player the Cats had.

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

 

[Catsrback76]

Look, we all know there absolutely no arguing with you, and if you try you are more than likely to be insulted (and even the sources with data to back you up will also be insulted), but I was curious enough to dig through the stats for my own information. They bore out what I thought, that the sum is greater than the parts on the Bobcat defense.

And I will stand by my dumb statement, the scheme employed by the MSU defense changes weekly based on our opponent, the Cats have a bunch of different personnel packages, and the defense is not designed to flow to any one player or position like the Griz defense is (linebackers). That's why you will see some players have a huge game only to be non-existent the next week. On top of that the coaching staff has made adjustments as the year has gone on.

Individual stats aren't as meaningful as team stats. How else do you describe the fact that the Bobcats had the #1 scoring defense in conference but only had 2 players in the top 50 for tackles (22nd (Troy) and 24th)?

I doubt Dante Olsen would have more than 70 tackles on the Bobcat defense. (70 would be 23 more than the leading Bobcat tackler FYI).

Sorry, I'm calling BS on that post. Scheme? Too funny. Olson is way better than any defensive player the Cats had.

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

 

[ABQCat]

Look, we all know there absolutely no arguing with you, and if you try you are more than likely to be insulted (and even the sources with data to back you up will also be insulted), but I was curious enough to dig through the stats for my own information. They bore out what I thought, that the sum is greater than the parts on the Bobcat defense.

And I will stand by my dumb statement, the scheme employed by the MSU defense changes weekly based on our opponent, the Cats have a bunch of different personnel packages, and the defense is not designed to flow to any one player or position like the Griz defense is (linebackers). That's why you will see some players have a huge game only to be non-existent the next week. On top of that the coaching staff has made adjustments as the year has gone on.

Individual stats aren't as meaningful as team stats. How else do you describe the fact that the Bobcats had the #1 scoring defense in conference but only had 2 players in the top 50 for tackles (22nd (Troy) and 24th)?

I doubt Dante Olsen would have more than 70 tackles on the Bobcat defense. (70 would be 23 more than the leading Bobcat tackler FYI).

Sorry, I'm calling BS on that post. Scheme? Too funny. Olson is way better than any defensive player the Cats had.

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

The Cats count tackles and assists much different. As an exercise last year, Choate said he had a GA count one of Olsen's games using the Cats standard, and it went from 18 to 12.5 (or something like that). I remember Vim or somebody quickly pointing out that 12.5 tackles is really good and Olsen is one of the best LBs in the league, so don't be fooled by the absurd manner in which the grizz count tackles.

The bottom line is Choate doesn't give a rats ass about statistics, and his players don't either. Anybody who has watched Sterk and/or understands the game of football, knows he's an elite player. Stats are for losers.

 

[PlayerRep]

Sorry, I'm calling BS on that post. Scheme? Too funny. Olson is way better than any defensive player the Cats had.

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

The Cats count tackles and assists much different. As an exercise last year, Choate said he had a GA count one of Olsen's games using the Cats standard, and it went from 18 to 12.5 (or something like that). I remember Vim or somebody quickly pointing out that 12.5 tackles is really good and Olsen is one of the best LBs in the league, so don't be fooled by the absurd manner in which the grizz count tackles.

The bottom line is Choate doesn't give a rats ass about statistics, and his players don't either. Anybody who has watched Sterk and/or understands the game of football, knows he's an elite player. Stats are for losers.

Yes, the Cats must record tackles much different. Or not know how to compile stats. Or not know how to count.

AP has 57 plays, plus 4 KO and punts returns. So, 61.

The Cats have only 39 tackles. 29 solo and 10 assisted. So, I assume only 29 plus 5 guys are tackled, so 34.

What happened to the other 61 (minus 34) people with the ball? Did they all fall down? Or run out of bounds without even being touched or tackled? Only 1 scored a TD.

What am I missing?

 

[PlayerRep]

Look, we all know there absolutely no arguing with you, and if you try you are more than likely to be insulted (and even the sources with data to back you up will also be insulted), but I was curious enough to dig through the stats for my own information. They bore out what I thought, that the sum is greater than the parts on the Bobcat defense.

And I will stand by my dumb statement, the scheme employed by the MSU defense changes weekly based on our opponent, the Cats have a bunch of different personnel packages, and the defense is not designed to flow to any one player or position like the Griz defense is (linebackers). That's why you will see some players have a huge game only to be non-existent the next week. On top of that the coaching staff has made adjustments as the year has gone on.

Individual stats aren't as meaningful as team stats. How else do you describe the fact that the Bobcats had the #1 scoring defense in conference but only had 2 players in the top 50 for tackles (22nd (Troy) and 24th)?

I doubt Dante Olsen would have more than 70 tackles on the Bobcat defense. (70 would be 23 more than the leading Bobcat tackler FYI).

Sorry, I'm calling BS on that post. Scheme? Too funny. Olson is way better than any defensive player the Cats had.

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

OLSON WOULD HAVE HAD 12 TACKLES.

 

[CatzWillRise]

Sorry, I'm calling BS on that post. Scheme? Too funny. Olson is way better than any defensive player the Cats had.

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

OLSON WOULD HAVE HAD 12 TACKLES.

Using Olson's % of team tackles (17.62%), he'd have 7 if we round up.

 

[PlayerRep]

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

OLSON WOULD HAVE HAD 12 TACKLES.

Using Olson's % of team tackles (17.62%), he'd have 7 if we round up.

I GAVE HIM CREDIT FOR ALL THE MYSTERY NON-TACKLES WHERE AP PLAYERS APPARENTLY JUST FELL DOWN.

 

[PlayerRep]

Okay, I waited long enough to see if anyone was immediately smarter than I. There were 19 incomplete passes that I didn't subtract out initially. I had looked at this about 5 minutes, before I realized that. Ha.

 

[ilovethecats]

Okay, I waited long enough to see if anyone was immediately smarter than I. There were 19 incomplete passes that I didn't subtract out initially. I had looked at this about 5 minutes, before I realized that. Ha.

And a ton of 3 and outs. Not opportunity to make a bunch of tackles. Which is good I think...

 

[FTG247365]

Sorry, I'm calling BS on that post. Scheme? Too funny. Olson is way better than any defensive player the Cats had.

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

OLSON WOULD HAVE HAD 12 TACKLES.

I decided to look up what defines an "Assisted Tackle" from the actual 2011 Football Statisticians Manual http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Football/2011ez.pdf. Found something VERY Interesting. Which most people in Missoula might not.
ASSISTED TACKLE: If two defensive players contribute equally
to the stopping of a ball carrier, credit both players with an
assisted tackle, but give neither a solo tackle.
NOTE: In a situation in which there is not a solo tackle, there
should not be more than two assists credited except in rare
instances. In other words, on any given play one of the following
may be credited: (1) one solo tackle, or (2) two assisted
tackles. Only in the rarest of cases would more than two assisted
tackles be credited. Guessing this last sentence was omitted from their manual. Or they wrote their Manual.

 

[SaskGriz]

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

OLSON WOULD HAVE HAD 12 TACKLES.

I decided to look up what defines an "Assisted Tackle" from the actual 2011 Football Statisticians Manual http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Football/2011ez.pdf. Found something VERY Interesting. Which most people in Missoula might not.
ASSISTED TACKLE: If two defensive players contribute equally
to the stopping of a ball carrier, credit both players with an
assisted tackle, but give neither a solo tackle.
NOTE: In a situation in which there is not a solo tackle, there
should not be more than two assists credited except in rare
instances. In other words, on any given play one of the following
may be credited: (1) one solo tackle, or (2) two assisted
tackles. Only in the rarest of cases would more than two assisted
tackles be credited. Guessing this last sentence was omitted from their manual. Or they wrote their Manual.

Do you have a single example of where "on any given play" more than two assisted tackles were credited? I've never seen that even once. Are you thinking this meant more than two assisted tackles for a whole game? I'm guessing you are more of a hands on learner than a reading comprehension one.

 

[Bear Spray]

My post wasn’t meant as a slam on Olson who I think is a stud and I respect him. I just don’t see any one player having huge stats, in particular tackles, on this defense. I mean the Cats as a team only had 39 tackles against Austin Peay. Leading tackler had 6 tackles.

Why did the Cats ONLY get 39 tackles? How many were TFL's? How many rushing yards did the D allow for the game? IF DANTE OLSEN HAD PLAYED IN THAT KIND OF GAME, HOW MANY TACKLES WOULD HE HAVE GOTTEN?

The Cats count tackles and assists much different. As an exercise last year, Choate said he had a GA count one of Olsen's games using the Cats standard, and it went from 18 to 12.5 (or something like that). I remember Vim or somebody quickly pointing out that 12.5 tackles is really good and Olsen is one of the best LBs in the league, so don't be fooled by the absurd manner in which the grizz count tackles.

The bottom line is Choate doesn't give a rats ass about statistics, and his players don't either. Anybody who has watched Sterk and/or understands the game of football, knows he's an elite player. Stats are for losers.

Yes, the Cats must record tackles much different. Or not know how to compile stats. Or not know how to count.

AP has 57 plays, plus 4 KO and punts returns. So, 61.

The Cats have only 39 tackles. 29 solo and 10 assisted. So, I assume only 29 plus 5 guys are tackled, so 34.

What happened to the other 61 (minus 34) people with the ball? Did they all fall down? Or run out of bounds without even being touched or tackled? Only 1 scored a TD.

What am I missing?

Okay, I waited long enough to see if anyone was immediately smarter than I. There were 19 incomplete passes that I didn't subtract out initially. I had looked at this about 5 minutes, before I realized that. Ha.

How's that tape measure working for ya PR?

If Olson played for the Cats that day he'd have maybe 20 tackles and assists because he's a beast. That doesn't make Sterk any less of a player. THAT's what you're missing.... in this post.