Some disquiet on the defense. What would you do?

[AZGrizFan]

Some of you posters are comical. I see many of you calling for nickel packages and saying we don't run it. what games have you been watching. I guarantee that you are not paying close enough attention to the D to even realize what D personel is in. If you were you would have noticed that the D was in a nickel package at least a dozen times or more in each of the last two games.

Another way it seems they are getting more speed on the field is bringing in a fourth backer for a d lineman. This has happened probably about 10 times in each of the last two games.

My god people. If you are gonna play coach and call for something to be done at least have the awareness to realize if it is already being done.

No one is saying we DON'T run it....but it's obvious we're not running it at the proper times.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Thank you Thurman for informing the uninformed from your secret surveillance van. You and alphie are the only two genius posters on this board. We are welcome. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Some of you posters are comical. I see many of you calling for nickel packages and saying we don't run it. what games have you been watching. I guarantee that you are not paying close enough attention to the D to even realize what D personel is in. If you were you would have noticed that the D was in a nickel package at least a dozen times or more in each of the last two games.

Another way it seems they are getting more speed on the field is bringing in a fourth backer for a d lineman. This has happened probably about 10 times in each of the last two games.

My god people. If you are gonna play coach and call for something to be done at least have the awareness to realize if it is already being done.

 

[Thurman Murman]

Some of you posters are comical. I see many of you calling for nickel packages and saying we don't run it. what games have you been watching. I guarantee that you are not paying close enough attention to the D to even realize what D personel is in. If you were you would have noticed that the D was in a nickel package at least a dozen times or more in each of the last two games.

Another way it seems they are getting more speed on the field is bringing in a fourth backer for a d lineman. This has happened probably about 10 times in each of the last two games.

My god people. If you are gonna play coach and call for something to be done at least have the awareness to realize if it is already being done.

No one is saying we DON'T run it....but it's obvious we're not running it at the proper times.

I see them running it when the O has 10 or 11 personel during obvious passing downs such as third and long. Which is what very college coach in America would tell you is the appropriate time for nickel. When would you propose they jump into a nickel other than these situations? Perhaps heavy personel like 12 or 21 and medium down and distances? I don't think that would be very beneficial.

 

[Thurman Murman]

Thank you Thurman for informing the uninformed from your secret surveillance van. You and alphie are the only two genius posters on this board. We are welcome. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Some of you posters are comical. I see many of you calling for nickel packages and saying we don't run it. what games have you been watching. I guarantee that you are not paying close enough attention to the D to even realize what D personel is in. If you were you would have noticed that the D was in a nickel package at least a dozen times or more in each of the last two games.

Another way it seems they are getting more speed on the field is bringing in a fourth backer for a d lineman. This has happened probably about 10 times in each of the last two games.

My god people. If you are gonna play coach and call for something to be done at least have the awareness to realize if it is already being done.

Thank you for acknowledging the value of my services. However, alphie was here simply to stir the pot. I am here to help correct common mistaken beliefs about the game of football made by a few posters on this board.

 

[grizcountry420]

Thank you Thurman for informing the uninformed from your secret surveillance van. You and alphie are the only two genius posters on this board. We are welcome. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Some of you posters are comical. I see many of you calling for nickel packages and saying we don't run it. what games have you been watching. I guarantee that you are not paying close enough attention to the D to even realize what D personel is in. If you were you would have noticed that the D was in a nickel package at least a dozen times or more in each of the last two games.

Another way it seems they are getting more speed on the field is bringing in a fourth backer for a d lineman. This has happened probably about 10 times in each of the last two games.

My god people. If you are gonna play coach and call for something to be done at least have the awareness to realize if it is already being done.

Thank you for acknowledging the value of my services. However, alphie was here simply to stir the pot. I am here to help correct common mistaken beliefs about the game of football made by a few posters on this board.

Its kinda funny when people try to call you out Therman. You know what you're talking about and provide good information man..

:thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Some of you posters are comical. I see many of you calling for nickel packages and saying we don't run it. what games have you been watching. I guarantee that you are not paying close enough attention to the D to even realize what D personel is in. If you were you would have noticed that the D was in a nickel package at least a dozen times or more in each of the last two games.

Another way it seems they are getting more speed on the field is bringing in a fourth backer for a d lineman. This has happened probably about 10 times in each of the last two games.

My god people. If you are gonna play coach and call for something to be done at least have the awareness to realize if it is already being done.

No one is saying we DON'T run it....but it's obvious we're not running it at the proper times.

I see them running it when the O has 10 or 11 personel during obvious passing downs such as third and long. Which is what very college coach in America would tell you is the appropriate time for nickel. When would you propose they jump into a nickel other than these situations? Perhaps heavy personel like 12 or 21 and medium down and distances? I don't think that would be very beneficial.

Well, that's it then. We just suck.

If we're running it during "obvious passing downs" why is it that I constantly see JP or Tripp going out and covering someone while the opposing offense has an empty backfield?

And why is it that we consistently give up 1st downs on 3rd and long? The only two teams worse than the Griz for holding opponents on 3rd down are UNC and UND. We give up more first downs than any team except UND, and more by passing than ANY team in the BSC. THAT is not the company to keep when looking for a deep playoff run.

If we're running the nickel when appropriate, we sure as hell aren't running it RIGHT. :? :?

 

[grizcountry420]

I think, what it all comes down to is talent and honestly we dont have much talent or depth in our secondary.. Its sad but true.

 

[StumptownGriz]

While I wish we would play in your face, bump n' run, aggressive man on man physical coverage on the outsides and shut down passing attacks, do we really have the personnel for this? We have smallish corners (Nelson is tall but very skinny) and our safties aren't nearly as "rangy" as a Colt Anderson or Shann Schillenger. Give us 2 to 3 years and I think with Ryan McKinley and Marquin Russell along with Chris Parker we have 3 good sized CB's who can all flat out run and we should see more aggressive coverage as those guys develop.
I am a huge fan of playing 5 DB's and maybe rolling a guy like Gamboa into a hybrid safety/backer who blitzes often and has speed to cover the slot or the size to match up with TE split out wide (Trey Young or Brent Meyers come to mind). I due understand the dilemma for coach Ty. He is a LB coach at heart, and is extremely loyal to those guys and I think it's truly hard for him to take those guys off the field in any scenario, and with the talent that we have at LB compared to our current secondary I don't blame him. Either way we will get exploited by offenses passing attacks, so why not go with the kids your trust the most. All in all I would love to see more creative and timely blitzing from guys like Hermy, Tripp and even use Nate Harris flying off the edge. The kid has good speed and is one of the few sound tacklers on this D. Give him a shot at the QB once per game.

 

[Grizmayor]

Personally, I'd like to see our d-backs actually come up and jam a wr on the line of scrimmage. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to play 10 yards back when it's 3rd and 5.

EXACTLY! My dad and I sat in front of the tube and damn-near picked every receiver out that Safron was going to throw to... When it's 3rd and 3, WTF is Dennard or whomever backing off 10 yards three seconds prior to the snap?

PLUS: While our defense is STARING at TG on the sidelines for his wild arm gyrations calling in defenses, our opposition is lined up and ready to go. If I was South Dakota and any future opponent, I'd be hustling to the line in a no-huddle attack and screwing up the Griz defense even worse than it is now.

 

[Raider]

I think, what it all comes down to is talent and honestly we dont have much talent or depth in our secondary.. Its sad but true.

It’s amazing that this is so tough to rationalize for some on here.

Most of our secondary would not start for a good portion of BSC teams. Not sure how it got this bad, but it did.

 

[Thurman Murman]

Some of you posters are comical. I see many of you calling for nickel packages and saying we don't run it. what games have you been watching. I guarantee that you are not paying close enough attention to the D to even realize what D personel is in. If you were you would have noticed that the D was in a nickel package at least a dozen times or more in each of the last two games.

Another way it seems they are getting more speed on the field is bringing in a fourth backer for a d lineman. This has happened probably about 10 times in each of the last two games.

My god people. If you are gonna play coach and call for something to be done at least have the awareness to realize if it is already being done.

No one is saying we DON'T run it....but it's obvious we're not running it at the proper times.

I see them running it when the O has 10 or 11 personel during obvious passing downs such as third and long. Which is what very college coach in America would tell you is the appropriate time for nickel. When would you propose they jump into a nickel other than these situations? Perhaps heavy personel like 12 or 21 and medium down and distances? I don't think that would be very beneficial.

Well, that's it then. We just suck.

If we're running it during "obvious passing downs" why is it that I constantly see JP or Tripp going out and covering someone while the opposing offense has an empty backfield?

And why is it that we consistently give up 1st downs on 3rd and long? The only two teams worse than the Griz for holding opponents on 3rd down are UNC and UND. We give up more first downs than any team except UND, and more by passing than ANY team in the BSC. THAT is not the company to keep when looking for a deep playoff run.

If we're running the nickel when appropriate, we sure as hell aren't running it RIGHT. :? :?

Well Tripp is still in on nickel so that's why he would go out of the box and cover in empty if the d were in nickel or not. It doesn't make much sense to keep him in the box on empty. Also, JP is a Sam backer so he is out of the box more than in the box. Now Jp comes off in nickel but if it's not nickel he could often be covering out over a number 3 receiver or at least splitting the distance. This is what Sam backers do.

And I would agree that the nickel package isn't being ran very effective. I was simpy pointing out that it is being ran to those who haven't seemed to notice. I personally would rather see the d in a base personel on third down because it seems like nickel gives up too many third and longs. My theory on this is that although the nickel is more athletic than the backer he replaced, he doesn't have the technique of covering receivers from a linebacker alignment down very well. Where the backer may not be as athletic but has had 20x more reps and is more natural at covering from that position. Could be wrong on that but that is my best explanation for why nickel isn't working well.

 

[reinell30]

The quickest and first step to improve pass coverage is sit Bo Tully and use Gamboa, Lippert or any other person not in the game to fill his slot. Maybe then will he decide to get his (Tully) head in the game.

 

[StumptownGriz]

The quickest and first step to improve pass coverage is sit Bo Tully and use Gamboa, Lippert or any other person not in the game to fill his slot. Maybe then will he decide to get his (Tully) head in the game.

This secondary has a lot more issues than just Bo Tully. I'm not a Tully fan by any means but I challenge the "Bench Tully" crowd to break it down, tell us what specifically Gamboa does better than Bo Tully when you have seen him on the field. How would you use Gamboa's talents so that his reps would keep Tully sidelined and make our defense better? Not trying to flame you here, just asking for specifics rather than the "Tully sucks" cop out that seems to be so popular of a reason for our secondary struggling.

 

[reinell30]

The quickest and first step to improve pass coverage is sit Bo Tully and use Gamboa, Lippert or any other person not in the game to fill his slot. Maybe then will he decide to get his (Tully) head in the game.

This secondary has a lot more issues than just Bo Tully. I'm not a Tully fan by any means but I challenge the "Bench Tully" crowd to break it down, tell us what specifically Gamboa does better than Bo Tully when you have seen him on the field. How would you use Gamboa's talents so that his reps would keep Tully sidelined and make our defense better? Not trying to flame you here, just asking for specifics rather than the "Tully sucks" cop out that seems to be so popular of a reason for our secondary struggling.

I cannot give any specifics about Gamboa or Kelsey Lippert because I have never seen them play except special teams. What I am saying is, it is not that Bo Tully sucks it is he just doesn't seem to keep his head in the game. At times, he is as good as there is, he has displayed this. I would just like to see someone in Tullys place to see how they do, better or worse, can't judge until it happens...

 

[krammer]

I think, what it all comes down to is talent and honestly we dont have much talent or depth in our secondary.. Its sad but true.

I agree with grizcountry420 on this point...which leads me to...are there any d/b in the state of mt. that we are recruiting? ...or junior college for help?,,,or go to California like we usually do....no verbals in this d/b area either at this time...it should be the emphasis in our recruiting imo....

 

[uofmman1122]

PLUS: While our defense is STARING at TG on the sidelines for his wild arm gyrations calling in defenses, our opposition is lined up and ready to go. If I was South Dakota and any future opponent, I'd be hustling to the line in a no-huddle attack and screwing up the Griz defense even worse than it is now.

This bugs the shit out of me. :x

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The quickest and first step to improve pass coverage is sit Bo Tully and use Gamboa, Lippert or any other person not in the game to fill his slot. Maybe then will he decide to get his (Tully) head in the game.

This secondary has a lot more issues than just Bo Tully. I'm not a Tully fan by any means but I challenge the "Bench Tully" crowd to break it down, tell us what specifically Gamboa does better than Bo Tully when you have seen him on the field. How would you use Gamboa's talents so that his reps would keep Tully sidelined and make our defense better? Not trying to flame you here, just asking for specifics rather than the "Tully sucks" cop out that seems to be so popular of a reason for our secondary struggling.

I cannot give any specifics about Gamboa or Kelsey Lippert because I have never seen them play except special teams. What I am saying is, it is not that Bo Tully sucks it is he just doesn't seem to keep his head in the game. At times, he is as good as there is, he has displayed this. I would just like to see someone in Tullys place to see how they do, better or worse, can't judge until it happens...

How would he "display" that his "head is in the game?" Not trolling, just asking because I have no idea what that means.