So will this officiating crew....

[CV Griz Fan]

And how about the multiple missed holding calls? Like the missed call when Tripp was clearly held while the qb/runner scrambled down the CC sideline for a 3d and long pick up? Tripp was outside of the blocker and would have easily make the tackle or pushed the runner out of bounds. Just a terrible missed call.

There were a lot of questionable calls that could go eithe way that constantly went in their favor. At no point in the game did I think our team caught a break... Where their team constantly did.

Maybe you fans can have a march on Washington or something. That might get you somewhere. Although the 1972 USA Olympic basketball team never got any restitution but it's worth a try.

 

[Tokyogriz]

CCU played very well and may have won no matter what.

UM played well enough to possibly win but that will never ever be known because the refs flat out DID NOT DO THEIR JOBS CORRECTLY and influenced the outcome of the game period.

These refs need to be fired period they broke the rules outright and that's it. If they did it for personal gain and money perhaps may be the most likely reason. There may be actual criminal intent here.

Must be a REALLY satisfying win for a team looking to prove themselves on the national arena like CCU is.

 

[GeauxGriz]

If you listen close at the :37-42 mark, you can hear in the both next to the announcers the replay guys saying: "tell them", as the ball is being snapped. At the :40 you can hear the same guy say "it's on" As if to say, it's to late. There is no way the page was received before the play took place.

At the 1:01 mark they are talking about what happened, but it hard to hear what they are saying.

At the 1:20 mark you can hear them talk with the ref, and saying "we signaled" and it sounds like they are trying to lobby the point.

At 1:44 you can hear the replay guys laughing about it.


There is no way that the multi-million dollar coach could have any sway on things like this.[/sarcasm]

After re-listening - you can not be sure those are the replay guys voices in the background. Somebody with better sound on their computer might be able to hear it better than I can....

 

[PlayerRep]

If you listen close at the :37-42 mark, you can hear in the both next to the announcers the replay guys saying: "tell them", as the ball is being snapped. At the :40 you can hear the same guy say "it's on" As if to say, it's to late. There is no way the page was received before the play took place.

At the 1:01 mark they are talking about what happened, but it hard to hear what they are saying.

At the 1:20 mark you can hear them talk with the ref, and saying "we signaled" and it sounds like they are trying to lobby the point.

At 1:44 you can hear the replay guys laughing about it.


There is no way that the multi-million dollar coach could have any sway on things like this.[/sarcasm]

The rules I saw somewhere last night say that the play must be stopped before the snap. The play doesn't stop or get nullified when the page arrives, or supposedly arrives. Had the refs started blowing their whistles and waiving the play dead while it was starting, that would have stopped the play. But waiting until the play was over, and then having to have a long discussion--before even declaring the prior play under review--is obviously a mistake.

And there was zero reason to review the prior play from watching it in real-time. It was an obvious catch.

 

[PlayerRep]

From a different thread:

Here are the review rules:

"The replay official and his crew shall review every play of a game. He
may stop a game at any time before the ball is next legally put in play"

Was the play stopped before the ball was legally put in play?

"When To Stop a Game
ARTICLE 2. a. A game may be stopped, either by the replay official or by a
head coach’s challenge, at any time before the ball is next legally put in play
Exception:
Rule 12-3-5-c).
b.
No game official may request that a game be stopped for a play to be
reviewed"

"When a game is to be stopped either by the replay official or
by a head coach’s challenge, the designated officials on the field will be
notified by a buzzer system or other appropriate means. [Note that it says "is to be stopped". That indicates that only the refs can actually stop the game.]
b.
If the review is initiated by the replay official, the referee shall announce:
“The ruling on the previous play is ... (brief description of ruling). The play
is under further review.” [Note that the ref is supposed to announce that the "previous play" is under review--not the play before the previous plays.]
If the game has been stopped due to a head coach’s challenge, the referee
shall announce:
“The (name of institution) head coach has challenged the ruling of (state the
ruling). The play is under further review."

Did any of this occur? No, is the answer.

Horrible horrible officiating. Even embarrassing by low ncaa standards.

 

[Sportin' Life]

From a different thread:

Here are the review rules:

"The replay official and his crew shall review every play of a game. He
may stop a game at any time before the ball is next legally put in play"

Was the play stopped before the ball was legally put in play?

"When To Stop a Game
ARTICLE 2. a. A game may be stopped, either by the replay official or by a
head coach’s challenge, at any time before the ball is next legally put in play
Exception:
Rule 12-3-5-c).
b.
No game official may request that a game be stopped for a play to be
reviewed"

"When a game is to be stopped either by the replay official or
by a head coach’s challenge, the designated officials on the field will be
notified by a buzzer system or other appropriate means. [Note that it says "is to be stopped". That indicates that only the refs can actually stop the game.]
b.
If the review is initiated by the replay official, the referee shall announce:
“The ruling on the previous play is ... (brief description of ruling). The play
is under further review.” [Note that the ref is supposed to announce that the "previous play" is under review--not the play before the previous plays.]
If the game has been stopped due to a head coach’s challenge, the referee
shall announce:
“The (name of institution) head coach has challenged the ruling of (state the
ruling). The play is under further review."

Did any of this occur? No, is the answer.

Horrible horrible officiating. Even embarrassing by low ncaa standards.

You are right ... the FCS division has second or third tier refs, but it's what you get in a division where the average attendance is about the same as for High School games in Texas.

 

[poorgriz]

Jesus guys... criminal intent? Get over it. So the mistake made was that the refs should have stopped that play before it happened. It was a mistake, it happens. I agree they should be held accountable... but big deal, so should they get fired? Suspended for a game? Mandatory training? If so... I want the refs from Cat/Griz to get the same punishment for at least two blown calls in that game that certainly influenced the outcome.

 

[smarsh]

And how about the multiple missed holding calls? Like the missed call when Tripp was clearly held while the qb/runner scrambled down the CC sideline for a 3d and long pick up? Tripp was outside of the blocker and would have easily make the tackle or pushed the runner out of bounds. Just a terrible missed call.

the lack of holding calls is almost as egregious as the replay issue. my wife even commented on it. and she was right. several holding calls missed, some where our d-lineman were turned 360 degrees by an o-lineman's hand on the jersey. awful. that being said...there were many reasons the griz lost today, and reffing was only one of them.

 

[GrizzlyClaw]

When I read the rule does 12-3-5 c give an exception to the stoppage of play rule? Reading the ruling is clear that it can only come from an official in the booth or head coach and before a legal play is run. But there is that word exception.

Either way it was BS. How can you let a full play run? They review every play. Clearly a catch and they had time to see that it was a catch. Are they blaming it on the cold? They didn't hear the page. Don't punish a team for a stupid mistake in the booth.

 

[GrizzleMoose]

I read the exception and it basically has to do with if it occurs at the end of a quarter, half, or game and does not apply in this case. I read it last night but don't have the link.

 

[BisonBacker]

I have no dog in this fight but that is one of the most ridiculous calls or F'Ups I've seen by an officiating crew. Once that ball was snapped that's it the play stands. How you can go back to the previous play after another has been run is beyond me. I'd be pissed off too if I was a Montana fan. Regardless of the end result that kind of officiating is unacceptable at this level. Where were these ref's from (what conference)?

 

[jodcon]

I have no dog in this fight but that is one of the most ridiculous calls or F'Ups I've seen by an officiating crew. Once that ball was snapped that's it the play stands. How you can go back to the previous play after another has been run is beyond me. I'd be pissed off too if I was a Montana fan. Regardless of the end result that kind of officiating is unacceptable at this level. Where were these ref's from (what conference)?

Someone said Southland...pray you don't get them.

 

[Eriul]

I have no dog in this fight but that is one of the most ridiculous calls or F'Ups I've seen by an officiating crew. Once that ball was snapped that's it the play stands. How you can go back to the previous play after another has been run is beyond me. I'd be pissed off too if I was a Montana fan. Regardless of the end result that kind of officiating is unacceptable at this level. Where were these ref's from (what conference)?

Southland. This blunder was one of many that they made. This one is the only non judgement one. Some went in our favor and some in theirs but there were an over excessive amount of errors and I doubt they will see another playoff game this year. If they do...just hope it's not yours because headaches will ensue .

 

[BisonBacker]

Wow I thought the entire reason for official review was to get things right but in order to do that you need to know when you can actually review a play to get it right in the first place. These guys blew it big time. Why not a one of them stepped up and said guy's we can't review this now it's to late is mind boggling. Totally unacceptable and as far as retiring he better voluntarily retire as whoever oversee's these guys should be making sure that clown never see's the field as an official ever again.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Please explain why they screwed up?

Do you know the details? One of them was paged and the play afterwards never happened when an official is paged. Seems like the right call to me even though I didnt like it at the time.

You should be more pissed that they gave us a call when Henderson was clearly 3 or 4 yards out of bounds.

finally somebody gets it.

 

[Eriul]

Please explain why they screwed up?

Do you know the details? One of them was paged and the play afterwards never happened when an official is paged. Seems like the right call to me even though I didnt like it at the time.

You should be more pissed that they gave us a call when Henderson was clearly 3 or 4 yards out of bounds.

finally somebody gets it.

Uhh...it's been proven here multiple times through the RULEBOOK that they made a mistake and made a blunder. Hell fucking even Mike Periera called it a mistake. You're still going to counter with the 1 play that went our way and again I refer to my point that if you want to COMPARE official mistakes that went in teams favors you're going to be outmatches as we also got an interception that shouldn't have been due to a missed call, a bad excessive celebration call, a bad block in the back call, and bad holding calls. It's completely ignorant to say that all these bad plays are made up by 1 they gave us.

 

[jodcon]

Please explain why they screwed up?

Do you know the details? One of them was paged and the play afterwards never happened when an official is paged. Seems like the right call to me even though I didnt like it at the time.

You should be more pissed that they gave us a call when Henderson was clearly 3 or 4 yards out of bounds.

finally somebody gets it.

Saw that clearly did you? I've watched it 50 times and still don't know when the left foot touching/control point is, you can't from that angle.

I don't know how the replay judge overturned that, unless he had an camera shot from somewhere the telecast didn't.

 

[Eriul]

Please explain why they screwed up?

Do you know the details? One of them was paged and the play afterwards never happened when an official is paged. Seems like the right call to me even though I didnt like it at the time.

You should be more pissed that they gave us a call when Henderson was clearly 3 or 4 yards out of bounds.

finally somebody gets it.

Saw that clearly did you? I've watched it 50 times and still don't know when the left foot touching/control point is, you can't from that angle.

I don't know how the replay judge overturned that, unless he had an camera shot from somewhere the telecast didn't.

I haven't retried watching it but my friends and I were in our living room after half (yes I left at half my feet were absolutely frozen, you can call me a fairweather fan I'm not losing my foot to cheer them on.) But the lot of us, 7, disagreed with each other and from the telecast it wasn't clear. To me I thought there wasn't enough evidence to call it a catch as I thought initially it was ruled out of bounds but someone here is saying that they were split? I'm not 100% sure on the accuracy of that but if that were the case I'm not quite sure how they determine catch or not if the refs were initially split but from what I could see in real time I couldn't tell, but if I had too choose I thought he was bobbling it.

Edit: In the case of if they were split on their initial call. That is just another reffing blunder as I believe a call on the field has to be made before you can review for that reason... I'm again not sure. Maybe someone who has it replayed can give me more insight into what it was called prior to replay because in all honesty I believe that is the determining factor here.

 

[jodcon]

Please explain why they screwed up?

Do you know the details? One of them was paged and the play afterwards never happened when an official is paged. Seems like the right call to me even though I didnt like it at the time.

You should be more pissed that they gave us a call when Henderson was clearly 3 or 4 yards out of bounds.

finally somebody gets it.

Saw that clearly did you? I've watched it 50 times and still don't know when the left foot touching/control point is, you can't from that angle.

I don't know how the replay judge overturned that, unless he had an camera shot from somewhere the telecast didn't.

I haven't retried watching it but my friends and I were in our living room after half (yes I left at half my feet were absolutely frozen, you can call me a fairweather fan I'm not losing my foot to cheer them on.) But the lot of us, 7, disagreed with each other and from the telecast it wasn't clear. To me I thought there wasn't enough evidence to call it a catch as I thought initially it was ruled out of bounds but someone here is saying that they were split? I'm not 100% sure on the accuracy of that but if that were the case I'm not quite sure how they determine catch or not if the refs were initially split but from what I could see in real time I couldn't tell, but if I had too choose I thought he was bobbling it.

Edit: In the case of if they were split on their initial call. That is just another reffing blunder as I believe a call on the field has to be made before you can review for that reason... I'm again not sure. Maybe someone who has it replayed can give me more insight into what it was called prior to replay because in all honesty I believe that is the determining factor here.

From what you can see, the ref who was on the sideline towards the endzone was going to call it a catch, the ref from up the sideline towards midfield called it out. The official call was out, meaning the replay booth had to see indisputable evidence that the play was good before reversing it. I've watched it many times, frame by frame, and I can't honestly tell when he had control compared to when the left foot touches out of bounds, it's impossible from that angle.

How they determined the play was good is beyond me, unless they had another angle to look at. Even the biggest Griz homer couldn't have overturned the call based on what the ESPN replay showed, there wasn't a clear decision one way or the other.

 

[Eriul]

finally somebody gets it.

Saw that clearly did you? I've watched it 50 times and still don't know when the left foot touching/control point is, you can't from that angle.

I don't know how the replay judge overturned that, unless he had an camera shot from somewhere the telecast didn't.

I haven't retried watching it but my friends and I were in our living room after half (yes I left at half my feet were absolutely frozen, you can call me a fairweather fan I'm not losing my foot to cheer them on.) But the lot of us, 7, disagreed with each other and from the telecast it wasn't clear. To me I thought there wasn't enough evidence to call it a catch as I thought initially it was ruled out of bounds but someone here is saying that they were split? I'm not 100% sure on the accuracy of that but if that were the case I'm not quite sure how they determine catch or not if the refs were initially split but from what I could see in real time I couldn't tell, but if I had too choose I thought he was bobbling it.

Edit: In the case of if they were split on their initial call. That is just another reffing blunder as I believe a call on the field has to be made before you can review for that reason... I'm again not sure. Maybe someone who has it replayed can give me more insight into what it was called prior to replay because in all honesty I believe that is the determining factor here.

From what you can see, the ref who was on the sideline towards the endzone was going to call it a catch, the ref from up the sideline towards midfield called it out. The official call was out, meaning the replay booth had to see indisputable evidence that the play was good before reversing it. I've watched it many times, frame by frame, and I can't honestly tell when he had control compared to when the left foot touches out of bounds, it's impossible from that angle.

How they determined the play was good is beyond me, unless they had another angle to look at. Even the biggest Griz homer couldn't have overturned the call based on what the ESPN replay showed, there wasn't a clear decision one way or the other.

That's what I thought that it was ruled out. I dunno. It could have been another ref blunder or they could have had evidence we didn't see. Regardless, that's one play in a MULTITUDE of bad ones from the officiating crew. It was a hard game to watch, that's for sure.