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Silenoz said:wbtfg said:Dalton Sneed or Tate Forcier?
Oh snap. That takes me back.
That thread has to be in the egriz hall of fame.
Why isn't there an egriz thread hall of fame?
Silenoz said:wbtfg said:Dalton Sneed or Tate Forcier?
Oh snap. That takes me back.
griz4life said:I'd put Miller in at No. 4. I know he left wishing he had enrolled at UM as a freshman. I sure would have been interesting if he had.
wbtfg said:Silenoz said:wbtfg said:Dalton Sneed or Tate Forcier?
Oh snap. That takes me back.
That thread has to be in the egriz hall of fame.
Why isn't there an egriz thread hall of fame?
gotgum said:One of the most ridiculous statements on a site that is inundated with ridiculous statements. Sneed did some amazing things with his feet last year and had a good year passing the ball, but "by far one of the best qbs in Griz history"? Please. Reminds me of when posters on eGriz were babbling about Brady Gustafson getting drafted by the NFL because he was relatively the same height as Carson Wentz. :roll:
PlayerRep said:argh! said:so now a qb who was a freshman all-american with a (per egriz) crappy line, one who was pretty athletic and who could throw the long ball, opening up the field, never would have made it to third down in the first game? thank gawd for sneed and his nfl-level arm combined with his nfl-running back level skills!
gotta love egriz, a bastion of rationality.
The o-line was decent Jensen's year. Sneed was far better than Jensen. Sneed's stats last year were way better than Jensen's the prior year, and Jensen's at the JC. If the Texas St message board can believed, it doesn't look like Jensen has been running with the ones as much as the other guy, whom I believe was the young holdover from last year.
Some of you just have your story (even tho wrong), and you're sticking to it.
kemajic said:Jensen is considerably less mobile than Sneed and likely wouldn't have lasted two games last year with our lack of protection. Sneed carried the understaffed team last year; unlike Jensen, played hurt and produced; leading rusher, 22 TDs passing and 6 rushing, only 7 picks. 63 % compl. All better stats than Jensen. I expect a Craig Ochs final year from him and believe you will be eating those words Mr. green hat.grizzliesthetics said:Can't really agree with this claim. Regardless of not having OL help( witch I agree). He has not shown abilities to me to be considered one of the greats. To that end he has not even shown me that he is better than Gresch. Hope he has a good year with a better OL this year and moves into the great category with the likes of DD and Ah Yat.
Go griz!
PlayerRep said:argh! said:so now a qb who was a freshman all-american with a (per egriz) crappy line, one who was pretty athletic and who could throw the long ball, opening up the field, never would have made it to third down in the first game? thank gawd for sneed and his nfl-level arm combined with his nfl-running back level skills!
gotta love egriz, a bastion of rationality.
The o-line was decent Jensen's year. Sneed was far better than Jensen. Sneed's stats last year were way better than Jensen's the prior year, and Jensen's at the JC. If the Texas St message board can believed, it doesn't look like Jensen has been running with the ones as much as the other guy, whom I believe was the young holdover from last year.
Some of you just have your story (even tho wrong), and you're sticking to it.
ordigger said:PlayerRep said:argh! said:so now a qb who was a freshman all-american with a (per egriz) crappy line, one who was pretty athletic and who could throw the long ball, opening up the field, never would have made it to third down in the first game? thank gawd for sneed and his nfl-level arm combined with his nfl-running back level skills!
gotta love egriz, a bastion of rationality.
The o-line was decent Jensen's year. Sneed was far better than Jensen. Sneed's stats last year were way better than Jensen's the prior year, and Jensen's at the JC. If the Texas St message board can believed, it doesn't look like Jensen has been running with the ones as much as the other guy, whom I believe was the young holdover from last year.
Some of you just have your story (even tho wrong), and you're sticking to it.
This is incorrect. Jensen had by far the better JUCO numbers, and honestly it’s not even close. Plus he played in the tougher JUCO conference.
Jensen 159-274, 58%, 2330 yds, 16 tds, 5 inter, 145 efficiency
Sneed 136-213, 63%, 1257 yds, 7 tds, 11 INTs. 114 efficiency
See above post for rushing stats.
From a statistical perspective Jensen was far better than Sneed. Not sure why people are afraid to admit that. We’ve become to Trumpish when the truth and facts are presented.
But Sneed may have had better leadership qualities in JUCO plus other intangibles that can’t be measured by statistics.
kemajic said:Why are we comparing irrelevant JUCO numbers when both QBs played a year at Montana? The numbers at Montana favor Sneed in spite of Jensen being in his second year in the Montana system while Sneed was in his first. And there are more than numbers that favor Sneed over Jensen.
ordigger said:kemajic said:Why are we comparing irrelevant JUCO numbers when both QBs played a year at Montana? The numbers at Montana favor Sneed in spite of Jensen being in his second year in the Montana system while Sneed was in his first. And there are more than numbers that favor Sneed over Jensen.
Not correct. You want to compare a frosh, that came in mid-season to a jr, that started the season. Really? How freakin dumb is that. The only fair comparison is how they did in JUCO up to this point. They were both 2nd year players at the same level.
Doing a fair comparison statistical Jensen is and always will be better forever at a Juco level. Lol
Now if you want argue who is the better, that is simply opinion oriented. Personally I could care less. Simply keeping the board honest statistically
PlayerRep said:ordigger said:kemajic said:Why are we comparing irrelevant JUCO numbers when both QBs played a year at Montana? The numbers at Montana favor Sneed in spite of Jensen being in his second year in the Montana system while Sneed was in his first. And there are more than numbers that favor Sneed over Jensen.
Not correct. You want to compare a frosh, that came in mid-season to a jr, that started the season. Really? How freakin dumb is that. The only fair comparison is how they did in JUCO up to this point. They were both 2nd year players at the same level.
Doing a fair comparison statistical Jensen is and always will be better forever at a Juco level. Lol
Now if you want argue who is the better, that is simply opinion oriented. Personally I could care less. Simply keeping the board honest statistically
The topic being discussed is whether Sneed is better than Jensen. Sneed was and is better than Jensen, and Sneed’s stats last year at UM bore that out. Sneed’s stats last year were better than any college year of Jensen.
Sneed’s JC stats two years ago are not relevant.
Many people including the Griz coaches know Sneed is better.
Stop embarrassing yourself with these dumb arguments.
Phillips went out early in the third game, not mid-season, so let's stick to the facts, not your embellishment. Jensen, a RS Frosh, not a true Frosh, played in 10 games, missing the NAU game, which we won. It was his second year in the Montana/Stitt system. 53 rushes for 203 (3.8 ave) and 6 TDs. 177 completions in 294 attempts for 2531 with 10 ints. 60.2%; 20 TDs. Total offense/game = 273.4.ordigger said:kemajic said:Why are we comparing irrelevant JUCO numbers when both QBs played a year at Montana? The numbers at Montana favor Sneed in spite of Jensen being in his second year in the Montana system while Sneed was in his first. And there are more than numbers that favor Sneed over Jensen.
Not correct. You want to compare a frosh, that came in mid-season to a jr, that started the season. Really? How freakin dumb is that. The only fair comparison is how they did in JUCO up to this point. They were both 2nd year players at the same level.
Doing a fair comparison statistical Jensen is and always will be better forever at a Juco level. Lol
Now if you want argue who is the better, that is simply opinion oriented. Personally I could care less. Simply keeping the board honest statistically
SaskGriz said:Okay, you seem like nice people so I'm gonna help you out. The opening statement was about Sneed and that he is "by far one of the best QB's in Griz history.". Now, getting around the fact that this statement is awkward in that "by far" implies distance from others and "one of" implies that he is in a group of others. It became, to no one's surprise, a who's better between Sneed and Jensen.
It's not an apples to apples comparison it's more like apples to dixie cups. It's completely irrelevant to the question. In reality at this point neither QB is even in the conversation for all-time greats and Jensen never will be.
1. Dave Dickenson
2. Brian Ah Yat
3. Craig Ochs
4. Cole Berquist
5. Jordan Johnson
6. Drew Miller
7. Grady Bennett
8. Brad Lebo
9. Brent Pease
10. John Edwards
* List only goes back as far as Saskgriz's memory, which is getting shorter by the day.
This list can be debated but it's correct.
kemajic said:Phillips went out early in the third game, not mid-season, so let's stick to the facts, not your embellishment. Jensen, a RS Frosh, not a true Frosh, played in 10 games, missing the NAU game, which we won. It was his second year in the Montana/Stitt system. 53 rushes for 203 (3.8 ave) and 6 TDs. 177 completions in 294 attempts for 2531 with 10 ints. 60.2%; 20 TDs. Total offense/game = 273.4.ordigger said:kemajic said:Why are we comparing irrelevant JUCO numbers when both QBs played a year at Montana? The numbers at Montana favor Sneed in spite of Jensen being in his second year in the Montana system while Sneed was in his first. And there are more than numbers that favor Sneed over Jensen.
Not correct. You want to compare a frosh, that came in mid-season to a jr, that started the season. Really? How freakin dumb is that. The only fair comparison is how they did in JUCO up to this point. They were both 2nd year players at the same level.
Doing a fair comparison statistical Jensen is and always will be better forever at a Juco level. Lol
Now if you want argue who is the better, that is simply opinion oriented. Personally I could care less. Simply keeping the board honest statistically
Sneed, a junior, but in his first year of the Montana system, played in 11 games. 131 rushes for 675 (5.2 ave) and 6 TDs. 241 completions in 384 attempts for 2723 with but 7 ints. 62.8 %; 22 TDs. Total offense/game 308.9.
Simply stating the facts (no opinion), "keeping the board honest statistically."
The only opinion I will offer is that I will take Sneed over Jensen every time. As will his teammates. Leadership, team player, toughness, elite, scary footspeed. I can't wait to see the year he will produce as a senior. I'm thinking Ochs-like. Both in Hauck's second year....
BWahlberg said:wbtfg said:Silenoz said:wbtfg said:Dalton Sneed or Tate Forcier?
Oh snap. That takes me back.
That thread has to be in the egriz hall of fame.
Why isn't there an egriz thread hall of fame?
These are the real questions
Just keep wondering; maybe you'll figure it out.argh! said:kemajic said:Phillips went out early in the third game, not mid-season, so let's stick to the facts, not your embellishment. Jensen, a RS Frosh, not a true Frosh, played in 10 games, missing the NAU game, which we won. It was his second year in the Montana/Stitt system. 53 rushes for 203 (3.8 ave) and 6 TDs. 177 completions in 294 attempts for 2531 with 10 ints. 60.2%; 20 TDs. Total offense/game = 273.4.ordigger said:kemajic said:Why are we comparing irrelevant JUCO numbers when both QBs played a year at Montana? The numbers at Montana favor Sneed in spite of Jensen being in his second year in the Montana system while Sneed was in his first. And there are more than numbers that favor Sneed over Jensen.
Not correct. You want to compare a frosh, that came in mid-season to a jr, that started the season. Really? How freakin dumb is that. The only fair comparison is how they did in JUCO up to this point. They were both 2nd year players at the same level.
Doing a fair comparison statistical Jensen is and always will be better forever at a Juco level. Lol
Now if you want argue who is the better, that is simply opinion oriented. Personally I could care less. Simply keeping the board honest statistically
Sneed, a junior, but in his first year of the Montana system, played in 11 games. 131 rushes for 675 (5.2 ave) and 6 TDs. 241 completions in 384 attempts for 2723 with but 7 ints. 62.8 %; 22 TDs. Total offense/game 308.9.
Simply stating the facts (no opinion), "keeping the board honest statistically."
The only opinion I will offer is that I will take Sneed over Jensen every time. As will his teammates. Leadership, team player, toughness, elite, scary footspeed. I can't wait to see the year he will produce as a senior. I'm thinking Ochs-like. Both in Hauck's second year....
maybe he can win a popularity contest with the current montana team, but sneed's arm is not as good as jensen's. which one is the better qb depends on the system, and a lot of other factors.
i am wondering why all the bobby lovers don't take into account the far superior coaching sneed has at montana, versus jensen, and use that in their determination regarding the better stats? i mean, bobby's amazing ability is the reason for any other 'better' performance by an older, more experienced player. that doesn't apply to sneed vs jensen?