Shalon Baker arrested Thursday Morning for Felony Aggravated

[Bear Spray]

So PR... if you look at the sheer volume of the number of arrests of players and coaches associated with the grizzly football program over the past five or so years, would you agree that it's WAY too many and it indicates a problem with the program? Yes or No.

PlayerRep? I've been waiting for someone to ask you this question for a very long time......

Can you possibly answer with one word???

 

[mikegriz]

Please wake me when there is a football thread.

 

[PlayerRep]

So PR... if you look at the sheer volume of the number of arrests of players and coaches associated with the grizzly football program over the past five or so years, would you agree that it's WAY too many and it indicates a problem with the program? Yes or No.

I don't count arrests. I look at the whether charges are valid and what the outcome is.

Yes, there are have been too many problems of this type in UM program in recent history. Everybody thinks that.

There are have been too many dui and similiar incidents. Everybody agrees with that.

No, it doesn't indicate a problem with the UM program. It incidates that a number of kids have made mistakes and choices, several of which have been big mistakes. Let's see you list all of the kids that you believe UM made a mistake in recruiting, and why a mistake was made. Don't bother to say a particular kid got in trouble; therefore it was a mistake.

While there have been too many problems in recent years, the problems have been exaggerated by the press (mainly the Missoulian), overcharging, and exaggerating and lying by people like yourself.

The worst incidents have been the house burglary, Donaldson, and one player's involvement in the recent convenience store robbery/beating.

Prior to recent history (say 6 years), there hasn't been that much of this type of problem. Some, but not much.

 

[PlayerRep]

Which of any of these supposed 10 "players" do you believe got undue support (actually UM supporters "minimized" what they did)?

Your statement, as written, is absolutely not accurate, as their haven't even been 10 people actually tried to get "convictions".

So, let's assume you meant conviction or plead to a major crime, which I assume is a felony. I will also include recent players, but not players before Washington. My instincts say your statement of 10 felonies, convicted or pled to, is not accurate, as you will see below, I don't know how some of the cases ended up.

Donaldson. I'll assume that all 4 of the house burglary guys pled to felonies (but I don't think that was the case; most initially got fairly short sentences and some didn't go to prison at all). The charges in the frosh fight outside a dorm got reduced to misdemeanors, altho one guy may have a cut a deal at the felony stage. I'll assume 1. Washington (who hasn't played in 9 years). Badger hasn't been convicted or plead, to my knowledge, but I'll still include him. That's 8. Of these 8, 3 were not players at the time. Who are I missing?

two of frosh dorm guys got hit with felony criminal endangerment. i appreciate you not naming any of them. they did their time and no point in dragging them through it again. i always had you pegged as the kind of guy that defends all the way then when there's no defense you kick them to the curb. even if you go with 8 that's still 29 in 20 years and way outside the 16-17 norm.

The 3 frosh guys got: three year deferred sentence and 21 days in jail (he plead before the victim's doctor testified the injury was not serious enough to constitute serious bodily injury, which is a requirement for felony aggrevated assault); two year deferred sentence; and one-year deferred sentence, 20 hours of community service and $500 fine.

There haven't 29 in 20 years. That's an absolute lie. In fact, there have been almost no felony convictions/pleas prior to the period that was just discussed in detail.

calling it a lie won't distract from the point being made. sorry big guy.

try to keep up with us. in 5.5 years there have been at least 8 (i'll go with your number, which probably isn't right, but for the sake of argument) convictions. crunch's method called for a 20 year set. 8 in 5.5 prorates to 29. get it yet or do i need to spell it out further for you?

this reminds me of the j.j.'s not guilty, so he couldn't have done it crowd and the girl's accusation was false. in this case even though they were found guilty of a serious crime, since they only served a little time it must mean they're really didn't do it and the guy that got beat up, on video i might add, was lying. what an intelligent crew.

8 in 5.5 doesn't "prorate" into 29. It's called extrapolate.

The point is that there have not been 29 in 20 years. There probably have even been 10 in the past 20 years.

Why do you have to keep exaggerating, and lying? Why can't you stick with the facts?

 

[getgrizzy]

two of frosh dorm guys got hit with felony criminal endangerment. i appreciate you not naming any of them. they did their time and no point in dragging them through it again. i always had you pegged as the kind of guy that defends all the way then when there's no defense you kick them to the curb. even if you go with 8 that's still 29 in 20 years and way outside the 16-17 norm.

The 3 frosh guys got: three year deferred sentence and 21 days in jail (he plead before the victim's doctor testified the injury was not serious enough to constitute serious bodily injury, which is a requirement for felony aggrevated assault); two year deferred sentence; and one-year deferred sentence, 20 hours of community service and $500 fine.

There haven't 29 in 20 years. That's an absolute lie. In fact, there have been almost no felony convictions/pleas prior to the period that was just discussed in detail.

calling it a lie won't distract from the point being made. sorry big guy.

try to keep up with us. in 5.5 years there have been at least 8 (i'll go with your number, which probably isn't right, but for the sake of argument) convictions. crunch's method called for a 20 year set. 8 in 5.5 prorates to 29. get it yet or do i need to spell it out further for you?

this reminds me of the j.j.'s not guilty, so he couldn't have done it crowd and the girl's accusation was false. in this case even though they were found guilty of a serious crime, since they only served a little time it must mean they're really didn't do it and the guy that got beat up, on video i might add, was lying. what an intelligent crew.

8 in 5.5 doesn't "prorate" into 29. It's called extrapolate.

The point is that there have not been 29 in 20 years. There probably have even been 10 in the past 20 years.

Why do you have to keep exaggerating, and lying? Why can't you stick with the facts?

okie dokie. we can do this your way. 16-17 serious crimes in 20 years works out to about 5 in 5.5 years. we're at 8, based on your version. so that puts us at over 50% (do the math if you can) more than the average. however you want to slice is big dog. :thumb: again, trying to divert attention away from the point by falsely claiming that i'm lying only makes you look worse in front of smart lawyer friends. i hope they're not watching this for your sake. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[wbtfg]

Kudos to delaney for firing baker BEFORE he got arrested. Dude must have ESP.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

Kudos to delaney for firing baker BEFORE he got arrested. Dude must have ESP.

Or at least the Griz dodged a big one. I also agree with PR that the worst of times began with the burglary-drug dealer shakedown, and is unacceptable. gg's statistical "analysis" is bogus, but here's hoping MD keeps things heading in the right direction.

 

[poorgriz]

So PR... if you look at the sheer volume of the number of arrests of players and coaches associated with the grizzly football program over the past five or so years, would you agree that it's WAY too many and it indicates a problem with the program? Yes or No.

I don't count arrests. I look at the whether charges are valid and what the outcome is.

Yes, there are have been too many problems of this type in UM program in recent history. Everybody thinks that.

There are have been too many dui and similiar incidents. Everybody agrees with that.

No, it doesn't indicate a problem with the UM program. It incidates that a number of kids have made mistakes and choices, several of which have been big mistakes. Let's see you list all of the kids that you believe UM made a mistake in recruiting, and why a mistake was made. Don't bother to say a particular kid got in trouble; therefore it was a mistake.

While there have been too many problems in recent years, the problems have been exaggerated by the press (mainly the Missoulian), overcharging, and exaggerating and lying by people like yourself.

The worst incidents have been the house burglary, Donaldson, and one player's involvement in the recent convenience store robbery/beating.

Prior to recent history (say 6 years), there hasn't been that much of this type of problem. Some, but not much.

Fair enough.

 

[PlayerRep]

The 3 frosh guys got: three year deferred sentence and 21 days in jail (he plead before the victim's doctor testified the injury was not serious enough to constitute serious bodily injury, which is a requirement for felony aggrevated assault); two year deferred sentence; and one-year deferred sentence, 20 hours of community service and $500 fine.

There haven't 29 in 20 years. That's an absolute lie. In fact, there have been almost no felony convictions/pleas prior to the period that was just discussed in detail.

calling it a lie won't distract from the point being made. sorry big guy.

try to keep up with us. in 5.5 years there have been at least 8 (i'll go with your number, which probably isn't right, but for the sake of argument) convictions. crunch's method called for a 20 year set. 8 in 5.5 prorates to 29. get it yet or do i need to spell it out further for you?

this reminds me of the j.j.'s not guilty, so he couldn't have done it crowd and the girl's accusation was false. in this case even though they were found guilty of a serious crime, since they only served a little time it must mean they're really didn't do it and the guy that got beat up, on video i might add, was lying. what an intelligent crew.

8 in 5.5 doesn't "prorate" into 29. It's called extrapolate.

The point is that there have not been 29 in 20 years. There probably have even been 10 in the past 20 years.

Why do you have to keep exaggerating, and lying? Why can't you stick with the facts?

okie dokie. we can do this your way. 16-17 serious crimes in 20 years works out to about 5 in 5.5 years. we're at 8, based on your version. so that puts us at over 50% (do the math if you can) more than the average. however you want to slice is big dog. :thumb: again, trying to divert attention away from the point by falsely claiming that i'm lying only makes you look worse in front of smart lawyer friends. i hope they're not watching this for your sake. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, but your comments are too incomprehensible to understand. There are have been fewer than 10 "serious" crimes in 20 years. You do the math.

 

[granitegriz]

It is easy for PW and getgrizzy to point out the problems, anyone can do that. The real man {or woman--whatever getgrizzy wants to be is fine} would come up with some ideas and solutions--a plan for the future. As a side note, I enjoyed the start of Fwen's article today regarding SB, "former UM wider receivers coach and player...accused of assaulting". Fwen can't start an article without saying "former" something.

 

[CFallsGriz]

nice try grizzy.

You are a dime a dozen, played out troll. Nothing more.

oh ok sherlock. ya got me. just one thing I wanna know...

You are predictable as hell though gg. Its getting old and I for one am tired of reading it.

That said, wtf Baker?????

 

[tnt]

It is easy for PW and getgrizzy to point out the problems, anyone can do that. The real man {or woman--whatever getgrizzy wants to be is fine} would come up with some ideas and solutions--a plan for the future. As a side note, I enjoyed the start of Fwen's article today regarding SB, "former UM wider receivers coach and player...accused of assaulting". Fwen can't start an article without saying "former" something.

As sad as that may be, whats really said is that isn't news that some piece of trash beat the crap out of his 8 month pregnant girl friend putting her into the hospital unless he was a "former something" isn't normally news (unless she dies)

I'm surprised at PR though for missing the obvious. The rates of "serious crime" were based on total population. I think its pretty commonly known the vast majority of crimes are created by males. If figure the griz crimes were created by men, they were way behind the average of crimes created by men..... Another opportunity to minimize the obvious.

As far as the future (and plans) I think that is obvious too. There were somerather significant changes made as I recall. Were they not, the article would have been a front page headline proclaiming "Grizzly Coach Arrested". Hope MD does well this year avoiding that situation, may have just gotten him another year.

 

[Ursa Major]

Hop MD does well this year avoiding that situation, may have just gotten him another year.

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[Blgs Griz Fan]

Florio is on a mission to harm the Griz athletic program. The headline for this article should have said " Missoula Man Arrested for Domestic Disturbance" or the like. Instead the Missoulian chose to accent the Griz. It sure seems the key to the article was not that a crime was reported but that it involved a Griz.

 

[MrTitleist]

I'd say Florio's credibility has taken a pretty serious hit after the Jordan Johnson trial.. her trying him in the press before he ever got to court then having it thrown in her face in a unanimous decision that took longer to eat lunch than reach a verdict has assured that she cannot take this program down, despite her and Sherry Devlin's best efforts. Her mission was failed and misguided and her career paid for it.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Florio is on a mission to harm the Griz athletic program. The headline for this article should have said " Missoula Man Arrested for Domestic Disturbance" or the like. Instead the Missoulian chose to accent the Griz. It sure seems the key to the article was not that a crime was reported but that it involved a Griz.

Editors typically write headlines, not reporters. "Former Griz" gets more hits on the interwebs.

Marketing 101

 

[uofmman1122]

Florio is on a mission to harm the Griz athletic program. The headline for this article should have said " Missoula Man Arrested for Domestic Disturbance" or the like. Instead the Missoulian chose to accent the Griz. It sure seems the key to the article was not that a crime was reported but that it involved a Griz.

Editors typically write headlines, not reporters. "Former Griz" gets more hits on the interwebs.

Marketing 101

This.

We can't really expect them not to do it, at this point.