Shalon Baker arrested Thursday Morning for Felony Aggravated

[grizrgood]

Baker caught passes for 2,561 yards (3rd best in school history) and 26 touchdown receptions (a team record.)

I guess we can take turns correcting each other today.

i knew that. was just following everett's lead and minimizing everything about him to make a mole hill out of a mountain. maybe it's a different shalon baker. and maybe she deserved to be beaten. i'll let p.r. take it from here.

It's sad and inexcusable that any human being has to be either the willing or unwilling participant in domestic violence, rape, crimes against humanity or whatever but geeezuz, you seem to always have an anti Griz opinion on the subject. Are you the "great equalizer" or seriously just trollin? Devils advocate has run it's course with you don't you think?

i just get really embarrassed when our fans try to make every issue we have not a big deal. we are t in a position to have to do that. when you're on top you don't need to do this.

You mean the "Griz Homers" posting on the Griz website? Balance IMO is a huge benefit to those who choose to use it but you can't force it on anyone.

 

[griz4life]

Well that's too bad for Shalon, whose gone from coaching prep football in Arizona to coaching at UM to working in a Missoula liquor store in less than four years. That's pretty rough.
I hope he comes out of it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Baker caught passes for 2,561 yards (3rd best in school history) and 26 touchdown receptions (a team record.)

I guess we can take turns correcting each other today.

i knew that. was just following everett's lead and minimizing everything about him to make a mole hill out of a mountain. maybe it's a different shalon baker. and maybe she deserved to be beaten. i'll let p.r. take it from here.

It's sad and inexcusable that any human being has to be either the willing or unwilling participant in domestic violence, rape, crimes against humanity or whatever but geeezuz, you seem to always have an anti Griz opinion on the subject. Are you the "great equalizer or seriously just trollin? Devils advocate has run it's course with you don't you think?

i just get really embarrassed when our fans try to make every issue we have not a big deal. we are t in a position to have to do that. when you're on top you don't need to do this.

Part of the problem is people who exaggerate and lie about things related to UM athletics, and in allegations being blown out of proportion. That causes many to try to provide the facts and put things in perspective. Example from gg's post: No one tries to "make every issue not a big deal". Many of the incidents receive condemnation from most of Griz nation.

 

[EverettGriz]

getgrizzy and teton on the same thread. A real proud day for the Worst Posters in the World Club.

Also, it appears neither of you can read. The event -- as I suggested in my post -- is sad, terrible, unacceptable...fill in whatever adjective you'd like.

But it has nothing to do with Griz football. In fact, Mods, you may wish to move this thread off the football board.

 

[CrunchGriz]

Just as a rough point of reference:

In 2011 the FBI reported that there had been approximately 3,300 major crimes (Homicide, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, and Motor vehicle theft) reported per 100,000 of population, or 3.3 per 100 (3.3%).

If we consider that each year the Griz football team is comprised of approximately 100 players (scholarship and walk-on combined), and assume (generously) that each of these players plays four years, that means that on average every year approximately 25 young men pass through Grizzly football.

So, during the last 20 years 500 or more have been Grizzlies, give or take ([100 x 20] / 4).

Using the FBI statistics, that would equate to about 16 or 17 major crimes (500 x 3.3%).

I don't have a comprehensive list of major crimes done by Grizzly players over the last 20 years, but my guess is that the total comes in either below that number or not a lot above it, which suggests that they are (as a whole) either better than or not a lot different than the general population.

In other words, it's not something you ever want to see in your favorite team, but when you consider that by their very natures college football players are young, aggressive males, it's not surprising and it's not out of line with what goes on in the rest of the country in the general population.

I know, 'Hold them to a higher standard, they represent the university', blah, blah, blah...but...they are being held to a higher standard--once anything of this nature occurs, the perp/player very quickly becomes an ex-player. It's pretty much impossible to vet every player to the nth degree--recruiters have neither the resources (especially at UM, which has a very small recruiting budget) nor the crystal ball required to forecast that a particular player will become a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

 

[getgrizzy]

Just as a rough point of reference:

In 2011 the FBI reported that there had been approximately 3,300 major crimes (Homicide, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, and Motor vehicle theft) reported per 100,000 of population, or 3.3 per 100 (3.3%).

If we consider that each year the Griz football team is comprised of approximately 100 players (scholarship and walk-on combined), and assume (generously) that each of these players plays four years, that means that on average every year approximately 25 young men pass through Grizzly football.

So, during the last 20 years 500 or more have been Grizzlies, give or take ([100 x 20] / 4).

Using the FBI statistics, that would equate to about 16 or 17 major crimes (500 x 3.3%).

I don't have a comprehensive list of major crimes done by Grizzly players over the last 20 years, but my guess is that the total comes in either below that number or not a lot above it, which suggests that they are (as a whole) either better than or not a lot different than the general population.

In other words, it's not something you ever want to see in your favorite team, but when you consider that by their very natures college football players are young, aggressive males, it's not surprising and it's not out of line with what goes on in the rest of the country in the general population.

I know, 'Hold them to a higher standard, they represent the university', blah, blah, blah...but...they are being held to a higher standard--once anything of this nature occurs, the perp/player very quickly becomes an ex-player. It's pretty much impossible to vet every player to the nth degree--recruiters have neither the resources (especially at UM, which has a very small recruiting budget) nor the crystal ball required to forecast that a particular player will become a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

convictions or arrests? from 2008 to present, which is less than 5.5 years there have been 10 players convicted of one of the major crimes listed. that pro-rates to about 35 in a 20 year period or double the norm.

 

[PlayerRep]

Just as a rough point of reference:

In 2011 the FBI reported that there had been approximately 3,300 major crimes (Homicide, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, and Motor vehicle theft) reported per 100,000 of population, or 3.3 per 100 (3.3%).

If we consider that each year the Griz football team is comprised of approximately 100 players (scholarship and walk-on combined), and assume (generously) that each of these players plays four years, that means that on average every year approximately 25 young men pass through Grizzly football.

So, during the last 20 years 500 or more have been Grizzlies, give or take ([100 x 20] / 4).

Using the FBI statistics, that would equate to about 16 or 17 major crimes (500 x 3.3%).

I don't have a comprehensive list of major crimes done by Grizzly players over the last 20 years, but my guess is that the total comes in either below that number or not a lot above it, which suggests that they are (as a whole) either better than or not a lot different than the general population.

In other words, it's not something you ever want to see in your favorite team, but when you consider that by their very natures college football players are young, aggressive males, it's not surprising and it's not out of line with what goes on in the rest of the country in the general population.

I know, 'Hold them to a higher standard, they represent the university', blah, blah, blah...but...they are being held to a higher standard--once anything of this nature occurs, the perp/player very quickly becomes an ex-player. It's pretty much impossible to vet every player to the nth degree--recruiters have neither the resources (especially at UM, which has a very small recruiting budget) nor the crystal ball required to forecast that a particular player will become a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

convictions or arrests? from 2008 to present, which is less than 5.5 years there have been 10 players convicted of one of the major crimes listed. that pro-rates to about 35 in a 20 year period or double the norm.

Which of any of these supposed 10 "players" do you believe got undue support (actually UM supporters "minimized" what they did)?

Your statement, as written, is absolutely not accurate, as their haven't even been 10 people actually tried to get "convictions".

So, let's assume you meant conviction or plead to a major crime, which I assume is a felony. I will also include recent players, but not players before Washington. My instincts say your statement of 10 felonies, convicted or pled to, is not accurate, as you will see below, I don't know how some of the cases ended up.

Donaldson. I'll assume that all 4 of the house burglary guys pled to felonies (but I don't think that was the case; most initially got fairly short sentences and some didn't go to prison at all). The charges in the frosh fight outside a dorm got reduced to misdemeanors, altho one guy may have a cut a deal at the felony stage. I'll assume 1. Washington (who hasn't played in 9 years). Badger hasn't been convicted or plead, to my knowledge, but I'll still include him. That's 8. Of these 8, 3 were not players at the time. Who are I missing?

 

[getgrizzy]

Just as a rough point of reference:

In 2011 the FBI reported that there had been approximately 3,300 major crimes (Homicide, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, and Motor vehicle theft) reported per 100,000 of population, or 3.3 per 100 (3.3%).

If we consider that each year the Griz football team is comprised of approximately 100 players (scholarship and walk-on combined), and assume (generously) that each of these players plays four years, that means that on average every year approximately 25 young men pass through Grizzly football.

So, during the last 20 years 500 or more have been Grizzlies, give or take ([100 x 20] / 4).

Using the FBI statistics, that would equate to about 16 or 17 major crimes (500 x 3.3%).

I don't have a comprehensive list of major crimes done by Grizzly players over the last 20 years, but my guess is that the total comes in either below that number or not a lot above it, which suggests that they are (as a whole) either better than or not a lot different than the general population.

In other words, it's not something you ever want to see in your favorite team, but when you consider that by their very natures college football players are young, aggressive males, it's not surprising and it's not out of line with what goes on in the rest of the country in the general population.

I know, 'Hold them to a higher standard, they represent the university', blah, blah, blah...but...they are being held to a higher standard--once anything of this nature occurs, the perp/player very quickly becomes an ex-player. It's pretty much impossible to vet every player to the nth degree--recruiters have neither the resources (especially at UM, which has a very small recruiting budget) nor the crystal ball required to forecast that a particular player will become a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

convictions or arrests? from 2008 to present, which is less than 5.5 years there have been 10 players convicted of one of the major crimes listed. that pro-rates to about 35 in a 20 year period or double the norm.

Which of any of these supposed 10 "players" do you believe got undue support (actually UM supporters "minimized" what they did)?

Your statement, as written, is absolutely not accurate, as their haven't even been 10 people actually tried to get "convictions".

So, let's assume you meant conviction or plead to a major crime, which I assume is a felony. I will also include recent players, but not players before Washington. My instincts say your statement of 10 felonies, convicted or pled to, is not accurate, as you will see below, I don't know how some of the cases ended up.

Donaldson. I'll assume that all 4 of the house burglary guys pled to felonies (but I don't think that was the case; most initially got fairly short sentences and some didn't go to prison at all). The charges in the frosh fight outside a dorm got reduced to misdemeanors, altho one guy may have a cut a deal at the felony stage. I'll assume 1. Washington (who hasn't played in 9 years). Badger hasn't been convicted or plead, to my knowledge, but I'll still include him. That's 8. Of these 8, 3 were not players at the time. Who are I missing?

two of frosh dorm guys got hit with felony criminal endangerment. i appreciate you not naming any of them. they did their time and no point in dragging them through it again. i always had you pegged as the kind of guy that defends all the way then when there's no defense you kick them to the curb. even if you go with 8 that's still 29 in 20 years and way outside the 16-17 norm.

 

[CrunchGriz]

Just as a rough point of reference:

In 2011 the FBI reported that there had been approximately 3,300 major crimes (Homicide, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, and Motor vehicle theft) reported per 100,000 of population, or 3.3 per 100 (3.3%).

If we consider that each year the Griz football team is comprised of approximately 100 players (scholarship and walk-on combined), and assume (generously) that each of these players plays four years, that means that on average every year approximately 25 young men pass through Grizzly football.

So, during the last 20 years 500 or more have been Grizzlies, give or take ([100 x 20] / 4).

Using the FBI statistics, that would equate to about 16 or 17 major crimes (500 x 3.3%).

I don't have a comprehensive list of major crimes done by Grizzly players over the last 20 years, but my guess is that the total comes in either below that number or not a lot above it, which suggests that they are (as a whole) either better than or not a lot different than the general population.

In other words, it's not something you ever want to see in your favorite team, but when you consider that by their very natures college football players are young, aggressive males, it's not surprising and it's not out of line with what goes on in the rest of the country in the general population.

I know, 'Hold them to a higher standard, they represent the university', blah, blah, blah...but...they are being held to a higher standard--once anything of this nature occurs, the perp/player very quickly becomes an ex-player. It's pretty much impossible to vet every player to the nth degree--recruiters have neither the resources (especially at UM, which has a very small recruiting budget) nor the crystal ball required to forecast that a particular player will become a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

convictions or arrests? from 2008 to present, which is less than 5.5 years there have been 10 players convicted of one of the major crimes listed. that pro-rates to about 35 in a 20 year period or double the norm.

Which of any of these supposed 10 "players" do you believe got undue support (actually UM supporters "minimized" what they did)?

Your statement, as written, is absolutely not accurate, as their haven't even been 10 people actually tried to get "convictions".

So, let's assume you meant conviction or plead to a major crime, which I assume is a felony. I will also include recent players, but not players before Washington. My instincts say your statement of 10 felonies, convicted or pled to, is not accurate, as you will see below, I don't know how some of the cases ended up.

Donaldson. I'll assume that all 4 of the house burglary guys pled to felonies (but I don't think that was the case; most initially got fairly short sentences and some didn't go to prison at all). The charges in the frosh fight outside a dorm got reduced to misdemeanors, altho one guy may have a cut a deal at the felony stage. I'll assume 1. Washington (who hasn't played in 9 years). Badger hasn't been convicted or plead, to my knowledge, but I'll still include him. That's 8. Of these 8, 3 were not players at the time. Who are I missing?

two of frosh dorm guys got hit with felony criminal endangerment. i appreciate you not naming any of them. they did their time and no point in dragging them through it again. i always had you pegged as the kind of guy that defends all the way then when there's no defense you kick them to the curb. even if you go with 8 that's still 29 in 20 years and way outside the 16-17 norm.

Well, 16-17 is the norm only if you make the generous assumption (which I probably shouldn't have done) that players all last four years in the program. If you use a more realistic number (probably something like 2.5 years per player average--lots wash out well before they graduate, in any football program), the 'norm' becomes something like:

100 players per year divided by 2.5 years per player times 20 years times 3.3%, or
(100 / 2.5) x 20 x .033 = 26.4 projected major crimes

...which is statistically not that different than the number you cite.

Which doesn't mean we like it when Griz go bad, just that we're not going to be jumping off any bridges or jumping to any rash conclusions about Griz 'thuggery' because a few turn out to be much less than we expect of them.

 

[getgrizzy]

cg: not sure i agree with your methodology, but i certainly appreciate your civil tone.

i will probably say that what makes us look bad is how we stack up with other programs both nationally and in the big sky conf and in the state. not how we stack up against the general populace.

 

[PlayerRep]

Just as a rough point of reference:

In 2011 the FBI reported that there had been approximately 3,300 major crimes (Homicide, Forcible rape, Robbery, Aggravated assault, Burglary, Larceny-theft, and Motor vehicle theft) reported per 100,000 of population, or 3.3 per 100 (3.3%).

If we consider that each year the Griz football team is comprised of approximately 100 players (scholarship and walk-on combined), and assume (generously) that each of these players plays four years, that means that on average every year approximately 25 young men pass through Grizzly football.

So, during the last 20 years 500 or more have been Grizzlies, give or take ([100 x 20] / 4).

Using the FBI statistics, that would equate to about 16 or 17 major crimes (500 x 3.3%).

I don't have a comprehensive list of major crimes done by Grizzly players over the last 20 years, but my guess is that the total comes in either below that number or not a lot above it, which suggests that they are (as a whole) either better than or not a lot different than the general population.

In other words, it's not something you ever want to see in your favorite team, but when you consider that by their very natures college football players are young, aggressive males, it's not surprising and it's not out of line with what goes on in the rest of the country in the general population.

I know, 'Hold them to a higher standard, they represent the university', blah, blah, blah...but...they are being held to a higher standard--once anything of this nature occurs, the perp/player very quickly becomes an ex-player. It's pretty much impossible to vet every player to the nth degree--recruiters have neither the resources (especially at UM, which has a very small recruiting budget) nor the crystal ball required to forecast that a particular player will become a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

convictions or arrests? from 2008 to present, which is less than 5.5 years there have been 10 players convicted of one of the major crimes listed. that pro-rates to about 35 in a 20 year period or double the norm.

Which of any of these supposed 10 "players" do you believe got undue support (actually UM supporters "minimized" what they did)?

Your statement, as written, is absolutely not accurate, as their haven't even been 10 people actually tried to get "convictions".

So, let's assume you meant conviction or plead to a major crime, which I assume is a felony. I will also include recent players, but not players before Washington. My instincts say your statement of 10 felonies, convicted or pled to, is not accurate, as you will see below, I don't know how some of the cases ended up.

Donaldson. I'll assume that all 4 of the house burglary guys pled to felonies (but I don't think that was the case; most initially got fairly short sentences and some didn't go to prison at all). The charges in the frosh fight outside a dorm got reduced to misdemeanors, altho one guy may have a cut a deal at the felony stage. I'll assume 1. Washington (who hasn't played in 9 years). Badger hasn't been convicted or plead, to my knowledge, but I'll still include him. That's 8. Of these 8, 3 were not players at the time. Who are I missing?

two of frosh dorm guys got hit with felony criminal endangerment. i appreciate you not naming any of them. they did their time and no point in dragging them through it again. i always had you pegged as the kind of guy that defends all the way then when there's no defense you kick them to the curb. even if you go with 8 that's still 29 in 20 years and way outside the 16-17 norm.

The 3 frosh guys got: three year deferred sentence and 21 days in jail (he plead before the victim's doctor testified the injury was not serious enough to constitute serious bodily injury, which is a requirement for felony aggrevated assault); two year deferred sentence; and one-year deferred sentence, 20 hours of community service and $500 fine.

There haven't 29 in 20 years. That's an absolute lie. In fact, there have been almost no felony convictions/pleas prior to the period that was just discussed in detail.

 

[granitegriz]

getgrizzy--what will it take to get you to shut up? Do you want JJ kicked off the team? Delaney fired too along with Peter Christian? PW on the BOR? A bigger appendage? Please tell us what you want and we might just picket (and/or flame a lynch mob) to get it done so you will get off the high horse and :stfu:

 

[poorgriz]

So PR... if you look at the sheer volume of the number of arrests of players and coaches associated with the grizzly football program over the past five or so years, would you agree that it's WAY too many and it indicates a problem with the program? Yes or No.

 

[granitegriz]

Poorgriz, just worry about your own program and everyone would be happy.

 

[grizrgood]

getgrizzy--what will it take to get you to shut up? Do you want JJ kicked off the team? Delaney fired too along with Peter Christian? PW on the BOR? A bigger appendage? Please tell us what you want and we might just picket (and/or flame a lynch mob) to get it done so you will get off the high horse and :stfu:

:lol: Unless I'm mistaken, getgrizzy is female! :?:

 

[granitegriz]

Oh...my bad. What I said still applies though...envy is not good.

 

[getgrizzy]

convictions or arrests? from 2008 to present, which is less than 5.5 years there have been 10 players convicted of one of the major crimes listed. that pro-rates to about 35 in a 20 year period or double the norm.

Which of any of these supposed 10 "players" do you believe got undue support (actually UM supporters "minimized" what they did)?

Your statement, as written, is absolutely not accurate, as their haven't even been 10 people actually tried to get "convictions".

So, let's assume you meant conviction or plead to a major crime, which I assume is a felony. I will also include recent players, but not players before Washington. My instincts say your statement of 10 felonies, convicted or pled to, is not accurate, as you will see below, I don't know how some of the cases ended up.

Donaldson. I'll assume that all 4 of the house burglary guys pled to felonies (but I don't think that was the case; most initially got fairly short sentences and some didn't go to prison at all). The charges in the frosh fight outside a dorm got reduced to misdemeanors, altho one guy may have a cut a deal at the felony stage. I'll assume 1. Washington (who hasn't played in 9 years). Badger hasn't been convicted or plead, to my knowledge, but I'll still include him. That's 8. Of these 8, 3 were not players at the time. Who are I missing?

two of frosh dorm guys got hit with felony criminal endangerment. i appreciate you not naming any of them. they did their time and no point in dragging them through it again. i always had you pegged as the kind of guy that defends all the way then when there's no defense you kick them to the curb. even if you go with 8 that's still 29 in 20 years and way outside the 16-17 norm.

The 3 frosh guys got: three year deferred sentence and 21 days in jail (he plead before the victim's doctor testified the injury was not serious enough to constitute serious bodily injury, which is a requirement for felony aggrevated assault); two year deferred sentence; and one-year deferred sentence, 20 hours of community service and $500 fine.

There haven't 29 in 20 years. That's an absolute lie. In fact, there have been almost no felony convictions/pleas prior to the period that was just discussed in detail.

calling it a lie won't distract from the point being made. sorry big guy.

try to keep up with us. in 5.5 years there have been at least 8 (i'll go with your number, which probably isn't right, but for the sake of argument) convictions. crunch's method called for a 20 year set. 8 in 5.5 prorates to 29. get it yet or do i need to spell it out further for you?

this reminds me of the j.j.'s not guilty, so he couldn't have done it crowd and the girl's accusation was false. in this case even though they were found guilty of a serious crime, since they only served a little time it must mean they're really didn't do it and the guy that got beat up, on video i might add, was lying. what an intelligent crew.

 

[poorgriz]

So PR... if you look at the sheer volume of the number of arrests of players and coaches associated with the grizzly football program over the past five or so years, would you agree that it's WAY too many and it indicates a problem with the program? Yes or No.

Oh I worry about it all the time, but I also can't help myself to not call out PR with his continual excusing griz football players for bad behavior by hiding behind the law.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

That's too bad.

And Teton, STFU. Because a guy who played 20 years ago gets arrested for domestic assault you think it proves something? Go troll somewhere else, loser.

yeah and he hasn't been a coach here for quite a few weeks now and he wasn't that good. walked on and got cut his sophomore year.

:shock:

Shalon Baker the Touchdown Maker wasn't good? What?

Too bad he's fallen on hard times, but his arrest has nothing to do with the UM at this point in time.

 

[getgrizzy]

That's too bad.

And Teton, STFU. Because a guy who played 20 years ago gets arrested for domestic assault you think it proves something? Go troll somewhere else, loser.

yeah and he hasn't been a coach here for quite a few weeks now and he wasn't that good. walked on and got cut his sophomore year.

:shock:

Shalon Baker the Touchdown Maker wasn't good? What?

Too bad he's fallen on hard times, but his arrest has nothing to do with the UM at this point in time.

yeah, that's right he wasn't that good and got cut his sophomore year. don't forget to feed the hamster charging your brain battery.