Scholarship Money-Montana Kids

[ElrodGrizzly]

This isn't remotely true, sir. The information is not publicly available. It is the Student's personal and private financial information. To my knowledge, there is no way of finding out what kids are on what scholarships.

Secondly, we are recruiting all over the country. Off the top of my head, we have gotten kids from Texas, Nevada, and California within the last year or so. We are recruiting out of state, for sure. In fact, just this year we landed our highest rated recruit EVER, and he is out of Texas. The the portal, we are getting guys from everywhere from UCLA to Nebraska. The recruiting budget allows us to recruit out of state.

I’m not interested in knowing the amounts for individual kids. Only the aggregate amount for Montana kids.

I understand that you desire that, but I don't believe that information is available to the public. Do you have a place you think it can be found? I have spent time looking today to see if I can provide it for you, and I don't believe the public can get that information.

 

[Spanky2]

I’m not interested in knowing the amounts for individual kids. Only the aggregate amount for Montana kids.

I understand that you desire that, but I don't believe that information is available to the public. Do you have a place you think it can be found? I have spent time looking today to see if I can provide it for you, and I don't believe the public can get that information.

No I don’t. Thank you for trying to help me.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I understand that you desire that, but I don't believe that information is available to the public. Do you have a place you think it can be found? I have spent time looking today to see if I can provide it for you, and I don't believe the public can get that information.

No I don’t. Thank you for trying to help me.

You're welcome. I did my best. Hope you have a great day!

 

[garizzalies]

Are they accepting only Montana kids regardless of talent or is it all kids?

The answer should be obvious to non-Kool-Aid drinkers. Hauck is signing the marginal left-overs who used to be signed by the Bobcats after we picked-off the stud high school kids from the state of Montana. And now, the Bobcats own the state in recruiting the studs, so we are recruiting the left-overs. Few on egriz want to admit it, and some even embarrass themselves trying to argue it, but this the norm for Kool-Aid drinkers.

Look, it is a FACT that the Bobcats are beating us regularly now, and sometimes by embarrassing margins. So, what is the reason they are able to do this? It is either recruiting better players, or having better coaches. The "injured QB" excuse is laughable. You choose. But you can't debate the fact that they are beating us.
The reality is that the Bobcats are out-recruiting us both in-state, and especially out-of-state.

 

[Spanky2]

No I don’t. Thank you for trying to help me.

You're welcome. I did my best. Hope you have a great day!

You too. I’m an old man that wants only the best for UM. I have concerns about the direction of our football program. I support Bobby Hauck but suspect some things are out of his control.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

You're welcome. I did my best. Hope you have a great day!

You too. I’m an old man that wants only the best for UM. I have concerns about the direction of our football program. I support Bobby Hauck but suspect some things are out of his control.

I have nothing against you, my brother. We both want the best for UM, even if we disagree about some parts of the direction. Go Griz!

 

[Spanky2]

That’s fair. Go Griz!

 

[argh!]

I’m not sure what the answer is, but we have to decide what type of program we want to have. We can’t complain about the coaching staff and also demand the roster be made up of a bunch of Montana HS players who are six-sport athletes who have only played FB three months per year since they were 15. It’s not the 1990s. It doesn’t work that way very often anymore.

If we want to have the hometown heroes and take pride in having them suit up for the Griz, I’m all for it. That’s a cool thing. But we should manage expectations if that’s the case. If we want to get back to where we were, I believe we should broaden horizons in recruiting. It’s not the same game.

This is not meant to be a knock on the Montana kids who work their asses off and make it to DI. I applaud them because they do it (statistically) without the resources kids in other places have grown up with. It’s simply a numbers thing.

As HHB has pointed out, it might be purely financial. If that’s the case, fine. But, then, we shouldn’t then get pissy when the results aren’t what we want.

i haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if someone else has brought this up, but, in the grand scheme of things, isn't it generally (not always) better for the kids themselves if they diversify, and learn different sports/skills that they might later use in life? if a kid plays six sports, then maybe in the future that gives that person more options to choose activities that will keep them active and healthy, versus if they choose one, excel at it, but after college that's it, they won't, for example, have an opportunity to use their football skills any more, and since they didn't develop interest/aptitude in other sports, maybe won't stay as healthy as would be... healthy for them? i dunno. just thinking out loud on egriz, maybe not the best idea...

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I’m not sure what the answer is, but we have to decide what type of program we want to have. We can’t complain about the coaching staff and also demand the roster be made up of a bunch of Montana HS players who are six-sport athletes who have only played FB three months per year since they were 15. It’s not the 1990s. It doesn’t work that way very often anymore.

If we want to have the hometown heroes and take pride in having them suit up for the Griz, I’m all for it. That’s a cool thing. But we should manage expectations if that’s the case. If we want to get back to where we were, I believe we should broaden horizons in recruiting. It’s not the same game.

This is not meant to be a knock on the Montana kids who work their asses off and make it to DI. I applaud them because they do it (statistically) without the resources kids in other places have grown up with. It’s simply a numbers thing.

As HHB has pointed out, it might be purely financial. If that’s the case, fine. But, then, we shouldn’t then get pissy when the results aren’t what we want.

i haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if someone else has brought this up, but, in the grand scheme of things, isn't it generally (not always) better for the kids themselves if they diversify, and learn different sports/skills that they might later use in life? if a kid plays six sports, then maybe in the future that gives that person more options to choose activities that will keep them active and healthy, versus if they choose one, excel at it, but after college that's it, they won't, for example, have an opportunity to use their football skills any more, and since they didn't develop interest/aptitude in other sports, maybe won't stay as healthy as would be... healthy for them? i dunno. just thinking out loud on egriz, maybe not the best idea...

There are a lot of wildly divergent points about this, and I don't have a dog in the fight at all. I will say that there are plenty of guys at the highest levels that played multiple sports, and the top guy in each sports is rarely someone who just specialized in one. On the other hand, I found there to be some compelling points that for COLLEGE recruits, it may have benefits to go after kids who have specialized.

You could take either side of the issue, and nobody could tell you that you are flat wrong.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I’m not sure what the answer is, but we have to decide what type of program we want to have. We can’t complain about the coaching staff and also demand the roster be made up of a bunch of Montana HS players who are six-sport athletes who have only played FB three months per year since they were 15. It’s not the 1990s. It doesn’t work that way very often anymore.

If we want to have the hometown heroes and take pride in having them suit up for the Griz, I’m all for it. That’s a cool thing. But we should manage expectations if that’s the case. If we want to get back to where we were, I believe we should broaden horizons in recruiting. It’s not the same game.

This is not meant to be a knock on the Montana kids who work their asses off and make it to DI. I applaud them because they do it (statistically) without the resources kids in other places have grown up with. It’s simply a numbers thing.

As HHB has pointed out, it might be purely financial. If that’s the case, fine. But, then, we shouldn’t then get pissy when the results aren’t what we want.

i haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if someone else has brought this up, but, in the grand scheme of things, isn't it generally (not always) better for the kids themselves if they diversify, and learn different sports/skills that they might later use in life? if a kid plays six sports, then maybe in the future that gives that person more options to choose activities that will keep them active and healthy, versus if they choose one, excel at it, but after college that's it, they won't, for example, have an opportunity to use their football skills any more, and since they didn't develop interest/aptitude in other sports, maybe won't stay as healthy as would be... healthy for them? i dunno. just thinking out loud on egriz, maybe not the best idea...

Yeah, I posted later in the thread that I personally don't think it's really a good thing for the kids to specialize so early in life. It just happens that way now for a lot of kids. As Elrod kind of pointed out, it could be beneficial for an FCS program overall because the fringe guys we can get will likely have developed necessary skills sooner on average.

Blue chip, natural athletes like Reggie Bush are often "allowed" to play however many sports they want because their FB coach knows he needs the kid on the team. Kind of like a, "I'm not doing summer lifting because I have a baseball tournament" thing, and a "OK, do what you want, just show up for fall camp." We don't get those guys. I have heard about lesser-talented (but still talented) kids in a lot of sports being discouraged from playing multiple sports by their HS coaches because they want them in the gym shooting 500 jumpers a day in the offseason, etc.

Example: Our city has three high schools of about 3k students each, and one that plays a class down with about 1,500 students. Our good friends have an 8th grader who plays three sports very well. We have open enrollment in the district (you can choose any HS), so he's going to the smaller school because the coaches are all cool with him playing all three sports. The bigger schools' coaches wanted him to choose one before the fall. I don't think that's an awesome thing. My point was that the guys that we can get likely would have specialized earlier in places with a broader talent pool. Better for us in the short term, but perhaps not for the kid in the long term after that sport ends for him.

As Elrod pointed out, it's just an unprovable idea either way. Thanks argh! for your thoughtful post.

 

[Spanky2]

If the objective is to win national championships, having half our roster from Montana won’t get the job done.

 

[MikeyGriz]

If the objective is to win national championships, having half our roster from Montana won’t get the job done.

Asking for a friend..........How did that work out in 1995 and 2001?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

If the objective is to win national championships, having half our roster from Montana won’t get the job done.

:roll:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

If the objective is to win national championships, having half our roster from Montana won’t get the job done.

Asking for a friend..........How did that work out in 1995 and 2001?

That was a pretty long time ago before youth sports went absolutely crazy. We were up in MT late last summer on vacation and my daughter was in need of a new softball glove. Went to about 7 sporting goods stores who all said they don’t have much inventory in the offseason. Offseason? Fall ball started the next week. It’s f*cking nuts, and like I’ve said, maybe not in a good way. Just sayin’.

That said, I don’t necessarily agree with Spanky that half of our roster being from MT won’t get the job done. I absolutely think it can. Some of them usually turn out to be major contributors, and the rest will usually bust their asses just to try to make the team better. Didn’t Barry Alvarez have a quote about it? “Our heart and soul will come from Wisconsin. Our hands and feet had better come from somewhere else.” Seems to me, looking at the incoming class, we’re starting to find ways to do just that.

 

['68griz]

The heart and soul may very well come from Montana, and probably should, but the skill and the brawn may well need to come from somewhere else, and that is absolutely okay. I am of the opinion that the moment a young man dons the maroon and silver, he becomes a "Montana kid."

 

[bgbigdog]

The heart and soul may very well come from Montana, and probably should, but the skill and the brawn may well need to come from somewhere else, and that is absolutely okay. I am of the opinion that the moment a young man dons the maroon and silver, he becomes a "Montana kid."

Incredibly well said. Thank you. :thumb:

 

[Spanky2]

If the objective is to win national championships, having half our roster from Montana won’t get the job done.

Asking for a friend..........How did that work out in 1995 and 2001?

Tell your friend this is 2023.

 

[Spanky2]

Asking for a friend..........How did that work out in 1995 and 2001?

That was a pretty long time ago before youth sports went absolutely crazy. We were up in MT late last summer on vacation and my daughter was in need of a new softball glove. Went to about 7 sporting goods stores who all said they don’t have much inventory in the offseason. Offseason? Fall ball started the next week. It’s f*cking nuts, and like I’ve said, maybe not in a good way. Just sayin’.

That said, I don’t necessarily agree with Spanky that half of our roster being from MT won’t get the job done. I absolutely think it can. Some of them usually turn out to be major contributors, and the rest will usually bust their asses just to try to make the team better. Didn’t Barry Alvarez have a quote about it? “Our heart and soul will come from Wisconsin. Our hands and feet had better come from somewhere else.” Seems to me, looking at the incoming class, we’re starting to find ways to do just that.

They will bust their asses, no doubt. My view is our chances are greater recruiting out of state kids with better coaching and competition.

 

[Spanky2]

In another life I was active working with young athletes in another sport on a state, regional and national level. Players in this sport from Montana were not able to compete successfully with good out of state players that had the benefit of good coaching and brutal competition. The sport was tennis.

 

[3-7-77]

If the objective is to win national championships, having half our roster from Montana won’t get the job done.

Asking for a friend..........How did that work out in 1995 and 2001?

In reality, it never happened. This was a disinformation campaign. I not allowed to say by whom.