Sacramento State Hornets Scouting Report

[poorgriz]

Is NAU? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you... and they only beat Sac by one point.

Is SFA? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you...and they lost to Weber St.

Yes they did look good against us, and if I were to go egriz style on this I'd say that they played out of their asses and put everything they could possibly muster in our game because they were playing a highly ranked team. But nah, I'll just say that we had a crappy game for a number of reasons and they whipped us fair and square. They were definitely the better teams that day. However... I'm not sure how this is relevant to how bad of a team some of you think Sac State is, which is the only reason I pointed out that then hung with NAU, a team that thumped you?

 

[NLGrizFan]

Is NAU? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you... and they only beat Sac by one point.

Sac's 4 wins are against an NAIA team and the three worst teams in the conference with a combined 4-20 record. They did give NAU a game, but NAU helped them quite a bit letting them rattle off 21 points in a matter of minutes thanks to two costly interceptions.

Tough to say, Sac's won the games they're supposed to, as have the Griz. We'll see who is the better team come Saturday.

True... but if you're playing those cards, someone could also bring up the combined records of the teams you've beat, and it wouldn't be pretty. They could also point out that the EWU game really wasn't that close, they dominated you and you only made it look close at the end because EWU slacked off and you got a few lucky breaks.

My main point was that I would suggest you guys don't talk about how Sac is not a good team until after you play them... because I can promise you this is a dangerous game for the griz, all things considered.

Teams played combined records:
Griz opponents are 29-37
Cats opponents are 27-37
UM has out scored opponents 303-161
MSU has out scored opponents 303-167.
The cats have only allowed one more TD throughout the entire season.

 

[nzone]

I'm curious poor griz have you watched the Griz vs ewu game?

 

['68griz]

Is NAU? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you... and they only beat Sac by one point.

Sac's 4 wins are against an NAIA team and the three worst teams in the conference with a combined 4-20 record. They did give NAU a game, but NAU helped them quite a bit letting them rattle off 21 points in a matter of minutes thanks to two costly interceptions.

Tough to say, Sac's won the games they're supposed to, as have the Griz. We'll see who is the better team come Saturday.

True... but if you're playing those cards, someone could also bring up the combined records of the teams you've beat, and it wouldn't be pretty. They could also point out that the EWU game really wasn't that close, they dominated you and you only made it look close at the end because EWU slacked off and you got a few lucky breaks.

My main point was that I would suggest you guys don't talk about how Sac is not a good team until after you play them... because I can promise you this is a dangerous game for the griz, all things considered.

Teams played combined records:
Griz opponents are 29-37
Cats opponents are 27-37
UM has out scored opponents 303-161
MSU has out scored opponents 303-167.
The cats have only allowed one more TD throughout the entire season.

Very interesting comparison. Didn't realize the stats were so close.

 

[Htowngriz]

Is NAU? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you... and they only beat Sac by one point.

Sac's 4 wins are against an NAIA team and the three worst teams in the conference with a combined 4-20 record. They did give NAU a game, but NAU helped them quite a bit letting them rattle off 21 points in a matter of minutes thanks to two costly interceptions.

Tough to say, Sac's won the games they're supposed to, as have the Griz. We'll see who is the better team come Saturday.

True... but if you're playing those cards, someone could also bring up the combined records of the teams you've beat, and it wouldn't be pretty. They could also point out that the EWU game really wasn't that close, they dominated you and you only made it look close at the end because EWU slacked off and you got a few lucky breaks.

My main point was that I would suggest you guys don't talk about how Sac is not a good team until after you play them... because I can promise you this is a dangerous game for the griz, all things considered.

Wow, you're a joke. Even Ewoo fans would give us credit for making it interesting and not rolling over...like the cats would have.

 

[mlbowl]

Is NAU? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you... and they only beat Sac by one point.

Is SFA? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you...and they lost to Weber St.

Yes they did look good against us, and if I were to go egriz style on this I'd say that they played out of their asses and put everything they could possibly muster in our game because they were playing a highly ranked team. But nah, I'll just say that we had a crappy game for a number of reasons and they whipped us fair and square. They were definitely the better teams that day. However... I'm not sure how this is relevant to how bad of a team some of you think Sac State is, which is the only reason I pointed out that then hung with NAU, a team that thumped you?

You're saying that we shouldn't think Sac is bad because they hung with NAU...a team that beat us. Well, Weber St can't possibly be crappy because they beat SFA, right...and we all know that SFA thumped the Cats, which is the only reason I pointed it out...So, do you think Weber is a good team? Contradict much?

 

[nzone]

At this point I'm sure no one in the locker room thinks sac st is a crappy team and they are the ones who probably know best. I would bet the Grizzly football team will have a very business like attitude and will play like there is no tomorrow. So the question for all those cat fans who feel it necessary to troll egriz is do you think Montana has the players to beat sac st or are we just over matched?

 

[NLGrizFan]

Is NAU? Because they looked pretty damn good playing you... and they only beat Sac by one point.

Sac's 4 wins are against an NAIA team and the three worst teams in the conference with a combined 4-20 record. They did give NAU a game, but NAU helped them quite a bit letting them rattle off 21 points in a matter of minutes thanks to two costly interceptions.

Tough to say, Sac's won the games they're supposed to, as have the Griz. We'll see who is the better team come Saturday.

True... but if you're playing those cards, someone could also bring up the combined records of the teams you've beat, and it wouldn't be pretty. They could also point out that the EWU game really wasn't that close, they dominated you and you only made it look close at the end because EWU slacked off and you got a few lucky breaks.

My main point was that I would suggest you guys don't talk about how Sac is not a good team until after you play them... because I can promise you this is a dangerous game for the griz, all things considered.

Wow, you're a joke. Even Ewoo fans would give us credit for making it interesting and not rolling over...like the cats would have.

Truth.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

It's a must-win game for both teams, so I expect a battle. And I expect us to win that battle because I'm a homer.

 

[zirge]

Do you guys think playing in 80 degree weather at 1 PM on Saturday in Sac will have cause any problems for the griz?

No.

i wouldn't count on that answer as it is coming from an all weather fan

 

[zirge]

If the good guys don't win this game, then I think we kiss the playoffs goodbye. Not to sound like a downer, but every game is a must-win. If the Griz drop any before Griz/Scat... don't want to think about it. All I have now is that if we are able to win out, then the Brawl will be for whether or not we get to be at home in the first round. BUT, as was mentioned in other threads, the Griz need to take it one game at a time. Each game is a season, and its high time they rode for the brand.

not mention that the brawl will have more meaning if we win out and the victory will be even sweeter....

 

[1Griz_Fan]

Please not another redshirt player activated for nothing. Didn't we see this last year with Counts who still wasn't getting enough reps and is now the one being replaced.

And JJ in 2010.

Joking I assume?

He used his RS in 2012, so it makes no difference as of now.

Yes! Remember the posts in 2010 when his redshirt year was "burned". Kinda worked out in the end.

Who are you saying used their redshirt in 2012? Johnson? And how did JJ's redshirt work out in the end, unless he did redshirt last year. I don't believe last years ordeal was considered a redshirt for Johnson, more like a suspension (not technically but sort of), but may be wrong.

If JJ hadn't "played" in 2010 he would have another year of eligibility after next season so it does seem like that season of eligibility was a lost cause although it gave him experience and let him adjust to the speed of the game. It wasn't a pretty year for him by any means, including the short time he seen on the field and the way he played. I am glad he was able to learn from that experience and grow into the player he has become so maybe it helped him to see the field as a true freshman.

 

[Hammer]

And JJ in 2010.

Joking I assume?

He used his RS in 2012, so it makes no difference as of now.

Yes! Remember the posts in 2010 when his redshirt year was "burned". Kinda worked out in the end.

Who are you saying used their redshirt in 2012? Johnson? And how did JJ's redshirt work out in the end, unless he did redshirt last year. I don't believe last years ordeal was considered a redshirt for Johnson, more like a suspension (not technically but sort of), but may be wrong.

If JJ hadn't "played" in 2010 he would have another year of eligibility after next season so it does seem like that season of eligibility was a lost cause although it gave him experience and let him adjust to the speed of the game. It wasn't a pretty year for him by any means, including the short time he seen on the field and the way he played. I am glad he was able to learn from that experience and grow into the player he has become so maybe it helped him to see the field as a true freshman.

I don't even remotely understand your post. Last season was a redshirt for JJ. Are you saying that it wasn't?

 

[BWahlberg]

Joking I assume?

He used his RS in 2012, so it makes no difference as of now.

Yes! Remember the posts in 2010 when his redshirt year was "burned". Kinda worked out in the end.

Who are you saying used their redshirt in 2012? Johnson? And how did JJ's redshirt work out in the end, unless he did redshirt last year. I don't believe last years ordeal was considered a redshirt for Johnson, more like a suspension (not technically but sort of), but may be wrong.

If JJ hadn't "played" in 2010 he would have another year of eligibility after next season so it does seem like that season of eligibility was a lost cause although it gave him experience and let him adjust to the speed of the game. It wasn't a pretty year for him by any means, including the short time he seen on the field and the way he played. I am glad he was able to learn from that experience and grow into the player he has become so maybe it helped him to see the field as a true freshman.

I don't even remotely understand your post. Last season was a redshirt for JJ. Are you saying that it wasn't?

Haha, agreed Hammer.

1Griz_fan here's the scenarios;

What happened, JJ plays in 2010 as a frosh, 2011 as a soph, sits in 2012 with his red shirt, plays in 2013 as a red shirt junior.

If he red-shirted in 2010, sits out 2010 as a red shirt, plays 2011 as RS frosh, sits out and loses a year in 2012, plays as a RS junior in 2013.

Same result. The only other route would be for him to not use his RS at all and then he'd be a senior this year.

 

[grzz]

Yes! Remember the posts in 2010 when his redshirt year was "burned". Kinda worked out in the end.

Who are you saying used their redshirt in 2012? Johnson? And how did JJ's redshirt work out in the end, unless he did redshirt last year. I don't believe last years ordeal was considered a redshirt for Johnson, more like a suspension (not technically but sort of), but may be wrong.

If JJ hadn't "played" in 2010 he would have another year of eligibility after next season so it does seem like that season of eligibility was a lost cause although it gave him experience and let him adjust to the speed of the game. It wasn't a pretty year for him by any means, including the short time he seen on the field and the way he played. I am glad he was able to learn from that experience and grow into the player he has become so maybe it helped him to see the field as a true freshman.

I don't even remotely understand your post. Last season was a redshirt for JJ. Are you saying that it wasn't?

Haha, agreed Hammer.

1Griz_fan here's the scenarios;

What happened, JJ plays in 2010 as a frosh, 2011 as a soph, sits in 2012 with his red shirt, plays in 2013 as a red shirt junior.

If he red-shirted in 2010, sits out 2010 as a red shirt, plays 2011 as RS frosh, sits out and loses a year in 2012, plays as a RS junior in 2013.

Same result. The only other route would be for him to not use his RS at all and then he'd be a senior this year.

I think he is going on the thought that if he had red shirted in 2010, then last year when he got suspended he would've had three years of eligibility left...but that makes the assumption that he would've applied for and been granted some sort of hardship from the NCAA, 6 years to play 4 rather than 5 for 4...there is some precedence for that (Jimmy Wilson, for one) but with the NCAA there are no guarantees...

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

Treshawn Favors, that'll burn his red shirt. In fall camp he really didn't look ready to play yet, but who knows, maybe 1/2 a season on the scout team has helped.

I think Marlon Miles is out, has been the last few games, not sure what his deal is.

Someone suggested Gavin Hagfors, he's bulked up, more of a blocker now, but might be an option, he was an all-state running back.

Um... outside of that.... :?

Guess we better hope Canada and Nyguen stay healthy!

Favors was dressed out for the second half of the EWU game. It would be nice to have Brett kirschner right about now.

I'm sure coaches still wouldn't use him. I could never understand why that kid never got a shot...all he did on the rare occasion he got the ball was run over people.

Hard to argue with that, really like BK and it seems it's the same with JC....

 

[Fahque]

FYI, if a true freshman plays in ANY game in his true freshman year, it does NOT in any way burn his redshirt year. Any player has 4 years to play 5 and that redshirt can be used in ANY year. He can redshirt in any year if injured or is not needed on the depth chart. WIN now, redshirt later, AKA EWU for what its worth!! We've done this many times in the last 4 years.

True BUT, the odds of a player using a red shirt year after playing as a true freshman are pretty slim barring extraordinary circumstances

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

FYI, if a true freshman plays in ANY game in his true freshman year, it does NOT in any way burn his redshirt year. Any player has 4 years to play 5 and that redshirt can be used in ANY year. He can redshirt in any year if injured or is not needed on the depth chart. WIN now, redshirt later, AKA EWU for what its worth!! We've done this many times in the last 4 years.

True BUT, the odds of a player using a red shirt year after playing as a true freshman are pretty slim barring extraordinary circumstances

Thank god someone had a rational thought........Jordan Johnson is one of the exceptions to the whole, "but you can take your redshirt after your true-freshman year" campaign.

Sure its true, but it hardly ever happens.

 

[BWahlberg]

FYI, if a true freshman plays in ANY game in his true freshman year, it does NOT in any way burn his redshirt year. Any player has 4 years to play 5 and that redshirt can be used in ANY year. He can redshirt in any year if injured or is not needed on the depth chart. WIN now, redshirt later, AKA EWU for what its worth!! We've done this many times in the last 4 years.

True BUT, the odds of a player using a red shirt year after playing as a true freshman are pretty slim barring extraordinary circumstances

Thank god someone had a rational thought........Jordan Johnson is one of the exceptions to the whole, "but you can take your redshirt after your true-freshman year" campaign.

Sure its true, but it hardly ever happens.

It's not a common occurrence but I'd say it happens a little more often than a "pretty slim" chance. Jordan Tripp, Brock Coyle, Clay Pierson, & Jordan Johnson have all done this. A lot of times it seems to happen to younger guys who maybe play as a true freshman but then get hurt or need a surgery in their 2nd season and miss that year and wind up using their RS then. Not a common occurrence but at any given time there's always a handful of guys that have done this on any given team.

 

[poorgriz]

I'm curious poor griz have you watched the Griz vs ewu game?

No, I have not... I'm only going off the write ups and what my friend told me. For the record, the only reason I brought the UM, EWU game up was after others downplayed the Sac\EWU game as not being that close even thought it was a one point game. I just pointed out that the same could be said for the UM\EWU game to the bystander who saw a 5 point margin and didn't actually see how the game played out.

Another for record... I think you guys beat Sac tomorrow, but I think it will be a pretty close game. Mainly due to you guys being pretty banged up right now, otherwise I'd take you by 18-20. Tomorrow I see a 35 - 29 win for the griz.