Sac St prediction confusion

[Buttegrizzle]

The Griz D has had the huge added benefit of the Griz O this season. Hasn’t been the case for a while. That’s what keeps the other team from scoring 40 this season.

Very good point. This season the offense has converted those 3rd downs more efficiently and D gets more rest.

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

I’m a little confused by some of the predictions for this game. More than a few predictions have Sac St losing in a high scoring shootout, and some predict Sac scoring 40 or more points.

Did I miss something? Is Sac St’s offense somehow better suited to score against the Griz than Oregon was? The Griz have given up an average of 22.6 points a game, 20.2 if you take Oregon out of the equation. Sac St put up big points on whatever Southern Oregon is and put 50 on a terrible UnCo team. They needed 2 defensive scores to put away a mediocre at best EWU. What about those stats suggest the Griz giving up 35+ points?

I’m genuinely confused at the idea that Sac St, as good as they are, would have a shot at scoring 30+ on this defense, let alone 40.

Just curious, are you also confused or not in agreement with those predicting the Griz to score well over 30, 40 or even 50 points?

I mean, the Hornets are yielding an average of 20.2 per game in 5 FBS/FCS contests. Only Fresno State has scored more than 30 and they were held to 20 midway through the 4th.

So what about those stats would suggest Montana could or should score more than any other opponent the Hornets have faced??

It seems to me it goes both ways.

 

[PlayerRep]

I’m a little confused by some of the predictions for this game. More than a few predictions have Sac St losing in a high scoring shootout, and some predict Sac scoring 40 or more points.

Did I miss something? Is Sac St’s offense somehow better suited to score against the Griz than Oregon was? The Griz have given up an average of 22.6 points a game, 20.2 if you take Oregon out of the equation. Sac St put up big points on whatever Southern Oregon is and put 50 on a terrible UnCo team. They needed 2 defensive scores to put away a mediocre at best EWU. What about those stats suggest the Griz giving up 35+ points?

I’m genuinely confused at the idea that Sac St, as good as they are, would have a shot at scoring 30+ on this defense, let alone 40.

Just curious, are you also confused or not in agreement with those predicting the Griz to score well over 30, 40 or even 50 points?

I mean, the Hornets are yielding an average of 20.2 per game in 5 FBS/FCS contests. Only Fresno State has scored more than 30 and they were held to 20 midway through the 4th.

So what about those stats would suggest Montana could or should score more than any other opponent the Hornets have faced??

It seems to me it goes both ways.

Because UM's offense is good and your defense is not as good. That's why.

Note that 77 of your points, 685 of your TO, and 4 of your qb's TD's, came against So. Oregon. And 50 points and 615 of TO came against No Colo.

And your gave SO 21 first downs.

And your kickers suck. No FG's made. 4 extra points missed.

 

[fencer24]

In looking forward to this game I am anxious, having watched the Cats game. But I was also anxious about ISU, and in my opinion, Struck was an even better QB. My prediction is that Sac will go up by about 2 scores early, then adjustments will be made and we're off to the races. For the last quarter and most of the third, Sac will be playing catchup, and I predict at least 3 interceptions during that part of the game.

 

[kemajic]

In looking forward to this game I am anxious, having watched the Cats game. But I was also anxious about ISU, and in my opinion, Struck was an even better QB. My prediction is that Sac will go up by about 2 scores early, then adjustments will be made and we're off to the races. For the last quarter and most of the third, Sac will be playing catchup, and I predict at least 3 interceptions during that part of the game.

There were no ints in the ISU game, even after they were badly behind. Where do you get the inspiration for 3 late ints in this game? SacSt has had but 4 all year.

 

[montanaguy]

Score prediction on this board is a hot mess but the prediction of specific sequences of events in a game is voodoo time-travel gibberish. I dabble in that thinking myself from time to time, to be honest, when I accidentally ingest my gal's estrogen or some other toxin.

 

[bgbigdog]

Score prediction on this board is a hot mess but the prediction of specific sequences of events in a game is voodoo time-travel gibberish. I dabble in that thinking myself from time to time, to be honest, when I accidentally ingest my gal's estrogen or some other toxin.

Never mind...

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

I’m a little confused by some of the predictions for this game. More than a few predictions have Sac St losing in a high scoring shootout, and some predict Sac scoring 40 or more points.

Did I miss something? Is Sac St’s offense somehow better suited to score against the Griz than Oregon was? The Griz have given up an average of 22.6 points a game, 20.2 if you take Oregon out of the equation. Sac St put up big points on whatever Southern Oregon is and put 50 on a terrible UnCo team. They needed 2 defensive scores to put away a mediocre at best EWU. What about those stats suggest the Griz giving up 35+ points?

I’m genuinely confused at the idea that Sac St, as good as they are, would have a shot at scoring 30+ on this defense, let alone 40.

Just curious, are you also confused or not in agreement with those predicting the Griz to score well over 30, 40 or even 50 points?

I mean, the Hornets are yielding an average of 20.2 per game in 5 FBS/FCS contests. Only Fresno State has scored more than 30 and they were held to 20 midway through the 4th.

So what about those stats would suggest Montana could or should score more than any other opponent the Hornets have faced??

It seems to me it goes both ways.

Because UM's offense is good and your defense is not as good. That's why.

Note that 77 of your points, 685 of your TO, and 4 of your qb's TD's, came against So. Oregon. And 50 points and 615 of TO came against No Colo.

And your gave SO 21 first downs.

And your kickers suck. No FG's made. 4 extra points missed.

Ok. So the logic laid out only works in one direction according to you. Got it.

I think you’re a bit of a homer to expect UM’s offense to perform much better than the FBS teams the Hornets have faced, but whatever.

No argument regarding the FG/PAT team. That’s been a weakness from the get go. Something Coach Taylor inherited and I’m sure will address in future recruiting classes.

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

I’m a little confused by some of the predictions for this game. More than a few predictions have Sac St losing in a high scoring shootout, and some predict Sac scoring 40 or more points.

Did I miss something? Is Sac St’s offense somehow better suited to score against the Griz than Oregon was? The Griz have given up an average of 22.6 points a game, 20.2 if you take Oregon out of the equation. Sac St put up big points on whatever Southern Oregon is and put 50 on a terrible UnCo team. They needed 2 defensive scores to put away a mediocre at best EWU. What about those stats suggest the Griz giving up 35+ points?

I’m genuinely confused at the idea that Sac St, as good as they are, would have a shot at scoring 30+ on this defense, let alone 40.

Just curious, are you also confused or not in agreement with those predicting the Griz to score well over 30, 40 or even 50 points?

I mean, the Hornets are yielding an average of 20.2 per game in 5 FBS/FCS contests. Only Fresno State has scored more than 30 and they were held to 20 midway through the 4th.

So what about those stats would suggest Montana could or should score more than any other opponent the Hornets have faced??

It seems to me it goes both ways.

Because UM's offense is good and your defense is not as good. That's why.

Note that 77 of your points, 685 of your TO, and 4 of your qb's TD's, came against So. Oregon. And 50 points and 615 of TO came against No Colo.

And your gave SO 21 first downs.

And your kickers suck. No FG's made. 4 extra points missed.

Ok. So the logic laid out only works in one direction according to you. Got it.

I think you’re a bit of a homer to expect UM’s offense to perform much better than the FBS teams the Hornets have faced, but whatever.

No argument regarding the FG/PAT team. That’s been a weakness from the get go. Something Coach Taylor inherited and I’m sure will address in future recruiting classes.

 

[fencer24]

In looking forward to this game I am anxious, having watched the Cats game. But I was also anxious about ISU, and in my opinion, Struck was an even better QB. My prediction is that Sac will go up by about 2 scores early, then adjustments will be made and we're off to the races. For the last quarter and most of the third, Sac will be playing catchup, and I predict at least 3 interceptions during that part of the game.

There were no ints in the ISU game, even after they were badly behind. Where do you get the inspiration for 3 late ints in this game? SacSt has had but 4 all year.

Mostly by watching Sacramento's passing. There were a lot of floaters that MSU couldn't cover.

 

[PlayerRep]

I’m a little confused by some of the predictions for this game. More than a few predictions have Sac St losing in a high scoring shootout, and some predict Sac scoring 40 or more points.

Did I miss something? Is Sac St’s offense somehow better suited to score against the Griz than Oregon was? The Griz have given up an average of 22.6 points a game, 20.2 if you take Oregon out of the equation. Sac St put up big points on whatever Southern Oregon is and put 50 on a terrible UnCo team. They needed 2 defensive scores to put away a mediocre at best EWU. What about those stats suggest the Griz giving up 35+ points?

I’m genuinely confused at the idea that Sac St, as good as they are, would have a shot at scoring 30+ on this defense, let alone 40.

Just curious, are you also confused or not in agreement with those predicting the Griz to score well over 30, 40 or even 50 points?

I mean, the Hornets are yielding an average of 20.2 per game in 5 FBS/FCS contests. Only Fresno State has scored more than 30 and they were held to 20 midway through the 4th.

So what about those stats would suggest Montana could or should score more than any other opponent the Hornets have faced??

It seems to me it goes both ways.

Because UM's offense is good and your defense is not as good. That's why.

Note that 77 of your points, 685 of your TO, and 4 of your qb's TD's, came against So. Oregon. And 50 points and 615 of TO came against No Colo.

And your gave SO 21 first downs.

And your kickers suck. No FG's made. 4 extra points missed.

Ok. So the logic laid out only works in one direction according to you. Got it.

I think you’re a bit of a homer to expect UM’s offense to perform much better than the FBS teams the Hornets have faced, but whatever.

No argument regarding the FG/PAT team. That’s been a weakness from the get go. Something Coach Taylor inherited and I’m sure will address in future recruiting classes.

One direction? What are you talking about?

SS has run up its points and TO against weak teams. Its scoring and offense are inflated.

UM has scored a zillion points against its FCS app;onents.

You think UM can't score 30 or 40 points against SS. How is SS going to stop UM? I say your only chance is turnovers.

Look what UM did to Davis' offense and great qb. That's why I'm thinking UM will do against SS.

Those FBS teams don't have good offenses. 92d and 70th in scoring. 29 and 25 points. 73d and 88th in TO. The best one averages just over 400 per game.

Want to bet me on whether UM scores more in first half against SS than Fresno did?

 

[grizindabox]

It seems to be your default intellectual position based on your years of dumb as hell posts.

Spoken like someone that is "genuinely confused" most of the time.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Seems like ISU was beating us early on with short quick passes. Sounds like short passes and getting the ball out early is SSU specialty. I am not sure what we did to stop this against ISU (I know people speculated R. Hauck’s sack rattled him). Can anyone else identify another reason/strategy we can employ this week?

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Seems like ISU was beating us early on with short quick passes. Sounds like short passes and getting the ball out early is SSU specialty. I am not sure what we did to stop this against ISU (I know people speculated R. Hauck’s sack rattled him). Can anyone else identify another reason/strategy we can employ this week?

Idaho State was beating us early because our guys forgot how to tackle! That led directly to two of their early scores. The sack definitely rattled their QB but I believe the tide turned once we remembered how to tackle again. Last weekend against the bobcats, it wasn't SSU throwing "short passes and getting the ball out early". Throughout that game Sac State had all day to throw and typically to wide open receivers. It was rare for their QB to even be hurried, he didn't need to get the ball out quickly.

At Sac State our guys will have to play sound defensive football. Somehow we need to get pressure on their QB to disrupt him. Yet remembering he has wheels too, and that the Hornets have a small, quick and talented running back. Sac State is a very solid team. We will need a complete game against a well balanced offense.

Though these Hornets are certainly not world beaters. Montana's offense should do a reasonable job helping to keep our defense off the field. If our Grizzlies play at the level they have been we can win handily. This game being on the road, Sac State's homecoming, and our guys being a bit rusty from the bye, I'm expecting an exciting and close Montana win. Go Griz!

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

One direction? What are you talking about?

SS has run up its points and TO against weak teams. Its scoring and offense are inflated.

UM has scored a zillion points against its FCS app;onents.

You think UM can't score 30 or 40 points against SS. How is SS going to stop UM? I say your only chance is turnovers.

Look what UM did to Davis' offense and great qb. That's why I'm thinking UM will do against SS.

Those FBS teams don't have good offenses. 92d and 70th in scoring. 29 and 25 points. 73d and 88th in TO. The best one averages just over 400 per game.

Want to bet me on whether UM scores more in first half against SS than Fresno did?

Yes, one way. You (and the original person I responded to) are suffering from confirmation bias. You're touting all of UM's opponents as legit while pronouncing Sac State's inferior. However, the Hornets have faced 2 FBS programs and 2 ranked FCS teams. That's 4 of the 6 games they've played.

I didn't at all factor in the D2 shut out when I cited their defensive performances. I only weighed their FBS/FCS opponents. Only one of those (UNC) was a low quality opponent.

So, again I ask. Since only one of those opponents scored over 30, why should anyone believe Montana is going to score 50??? UM is not clearly better than AZ ST or Fresno ST.

Since the original Griz fan I responded to based his entire logic on what the Sac State offense has scored against what he considered lesser opponents, I pointed out that the same logic could be applied to Sac State defense and the fact that UM isn't better than AZ ST or FSU.

But you seem to only want to look at it one way.

Listen, I'm not making any predictions or implying that Sac State will undoubtedly win. I have no idea. I'm merely hopeful they will win.

I'm just questioning the logic cited as to why Sac State couldn't possibly score as many points as some of the UM fans predicted in this thread then turning it around on those that are predicting the Griz to score 40 or 50 while ignoring the same logic they just used to justify half of their score prediction. It makes no sense at all.

 

[ilovethecats]

I'm just questioning the logic cited

This was your problem right here friend. I could have saved you a lot of time...

 

[PlayerRep]

One direction? What are you talking about?

SS has run up its points and TO against weak teams. Its scoring and offense are inflated.

UM has scored a zillion points against its FCS app;onents.

You think UM can't score 30 or 40 points against SS. How is SS going to stop UM? I say your only chance is turnovers.

Look what UM did to Davis' offense and great qb. That's why I'm thinking UM will do against SS.

Those FBS teams don't have good offenses. 92d and 70th in scoring. 29 and 25 points. 73d and 88th in TO. The best one averages just over 400 per game.

Want to bet me on whether UM scores more in first half against SS than Fresno did?

Yes, one way. You (and the original person I responded to) are suffering from confirmation bias. You're touting all of UM's opponents as legit while pronouncing Sac State's inferior. However, the Hornets have faced 2 FBS programs and 2 ranked FCS teams. That's 4 of the 6 games they've played.

I didn't at all factor in the D2 shut out when I cited their defensive performances. I only weighed their FBS/FCS opponents. Only one of those (UNC) was a low quality opponent.

So, again I ask. Since only one of those opponents scored over 30, why should anyone believe Montana is going to score 50??? UM is not clearly better than AZ ST or Fresno ST.

Since the original Griz fan I responded to based his entire logic on what the Sac State offense has scored against what he considered lesser opponents, I pointed out that the same logic could be applied to Sac State defense and the fact that UM isn't better than AZ ST or FSU.

But you seem to only want to look at it one way.

Listen, I'm not making any predictions or implying that Sac State will undoubtedly win. I have no idea. I'm merely hopeful they will win.

I'm just questioning the logic cited as to why Sac State couldn't possibly score as many points as some of the UM fans predicted in this thread then turning it around on those that are predicting the Griz to score 40 or 50 while ignoring the same logic they just used to justify half of their score prediction. It makes no sense at all.

UM's offense now is better than AZ St and Fresno's offense was when you played them. Also, neither of those FBS teams came into the game thinking that SS was any good or would even put up a fight.

I have no bias whatsoever. I understand the game, I played the game, I watch games, and I talk to the coaches, players and parents. I know what is going on with the Griz. The Griz are quite healthy too.

Using your silly points logic, SS is within 9 points of being as good as Michigan St, because the scores of the games were were 19-7 and 10-7. Didn't anyone ever teach you that it's basically worthless to try to compare games and scores like that? There is no "logic" or substance to doing that.

Oh, and I am also getting a bit of info from a friend whose son played and coached for SS several years ago.

Most of the Stats of the 2 teams are relatively similar. I think UM is a better team, with a better offense. We shall see.

Do you have any substantive argument other than only 1 team has scored more than 30 points against you? That's an argument, but pretty weak all by itself.

I have never said UM's opponents were good and SS's weren't. Didn't say anything even close to that. If you are going to discuss with me, stick to the facts and what I said.

I also didn't say that UM was going to score 50. Again, pay attention.

 

[hilinegrizfan]

One direction? What are you talking about?

SS has run up its points and TO against weak teams. Its scoring and offense are inflated.

UM has scored a zillion points against its FCS app;onents.

You think UM can't score 30 or 40 points against SS. How is SS going to stop UM? I say your only chance is turnovers.

Look what UM did to Davis' offense and great qb. That's why I'm thinking UM will do against SS.

Those FBS teams don't have good offenses. 92d and 70th in scoring. 29 and 25 points. 73d and 88th in TO. The best one averages just over 400 per game.

Want to bet me on whether UM scores more in first half against SS than Fresno did?

Yes, one way. You (and the original person I responded to) are suffering from confirmation bias. You're touting all of UM's opponents as legit while pronouncing Sac State's inferior. However, the Hornets have faced 2 FBS programs and 2 ranked FCS teams. That's 4 of the 6 games they've played.

I didn't at all factor in the D2 shut out when I cited their defensive performances. I only weighed their FBS/FCS opponents. Only one of those (UNC) was a low quality opponent.

So, again I ask. Since only one of those opponents scored over 30, why should anyone believe Montana is going to score 50??? UM is not clearly better than AZ ST or Fresno ST.

Since the original Griz fan I responded to based his entire logic on what the Sac State offense has scored against what he considered lesser opponents, I pointed out that the same logic could be applied to Sac State defense and the fact that UM isn't better than AZ ST or FSU.

But you seem to only want to look at it one way.

Listen, I'm not making any predictions or implying that Sac State will undoubtedly win. I have no idea. I'm merely hopeful they will win.

I'm just questioning the logic cited as to why Sac State couldn't possibly score as many points as some of the UM fans predicted in this thread then turning it around on those that are predicting the Griz to score 40 or 50 while ignoring the same logic they just used to justify half of their score prediction. It makes no sense at all.

UM's offense now is better than AZ St and Fresno's offense was when you played them. Also, neither of those FBS teams came into the game thinking that SS was any good or would even put up a fight.

I have no bias whatsoever. I understand the game, I played the game, I watch games, and I talk to the coaches, players and parents. I know what is going on with the Griz. The Griz are quite healthy too.

Using your silly points logic, SS is within 9 points of being as good as Michigan St, because the scores of the games were were 19-7 and 10-7. Didn't anyone ever teach you that it's basically worthless to try to compare games and scores like that? There is no "logic" or substance to doing that.

Oh, and I am also getting a bit of info from a friend whose son played and coached for SS several years ago.

Most of the Stats of the 2 teams are relatively similar. I think UM is a better team, with a better offense. We shall see.

Do you have any substantive argument other than only 1 team has scored more than 30 points against you? That's an argument, but pretty weak all by itself.

I have never said UM's opponents were good and SS's weren't. Didn't say anything even close to that. If you are going to discuss with me, stick to the facts and what I said.

I also didn't say that UM was going to score 50. Again, pay attention.

griz will win this game by two touchdowns.

 

[PlayerRep]

Using Buckeye's "logic", AZ St beat SS by 12, AZ St lost to Colo. by 3, Colo lost to Oregon by 42, and UM lost to Oregon by only 32, so UM is 25 points better than SS.

Come on Buckeye, show us you know something about the game. Tell us why your O and D are better than the UM O and D.

 

[Mousegriz]

Using Buckeye's "logic", AZ St beat SS by 12, AZ St lost to Colo. by 3, Colo lost to Oregon by 42, and UM lost to Oregon by only 32, so UM is 25 points better than SS.

Come on Buckeye, show us you know something about the game. Tell us why your O and D are better than the UM O and D.

What's your prediction PR? You don't seem the type to wade into these pregame arguments very often, a guy who seems to respect the opponent, especially one who seems to have a lot going for it heading into this Saturday's game. Are Griz D and O better than Sac St.? Is Sac's schedule and their relative scores really things you want to make a weakness? If so...what's the score prediction for Saturday? You know and played the game, you talk to coaches and go to practices. Give us an educated prediction.