Sac St prediction confusion

[buckeyehornetfan]

I'm just questioning the logic cited

This was your problem right here friend. I could have saved you a lot of time...

Apparently so.

Quite a few of these Griz fans were so sure of themselves. All I tried to do was point out the flawed logic. I never once predicted that Sac State would win. I thought they could win and even thought what we ended up seeing was possible, but I wouldn’t have bet on it.

All I knew was any Griz fan believing their team would score 40 or 50 was not being realistic. At all.

The guy wondering why so many were predicting Sac State to score 30+ must be questioning everything he thought he knew.

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

One direction? What are you talking about?

SS has run up its points and TO against weak teams. Its scoring and offense are inflated.

UM has scored a zillion points against its FCS app;onents.

You think UM can't score 30 or 40 points against SS. How is SS going to stop UM? I say your only chance is turnovers.

Look what UM did to Davis' offense and great qb. That's why I'm thinking UM will do against SS.

Those FBS teams don't have good offenses. 92d and 70th in scoring. 29 and 25 points. 73d and 88th in TO. The best one averages just over 400 per game.

Want to bet me on whether UM scores more in first half against SS than Fresno did?

Yes, one way. You (and the original person I responded to) are suffering from confirmation bias. You're touting all of UM's opponents as legit while pronouncing Sac State's inferior. However, the Hornets have faced 2 FBS programs and 2 ranked FCS teams. That's 4 of the 6 games they've played.

I didn't at all factor in the D2 shut out when I cited their defensive performances. I only weighed their FBS/FCS opponents. Only one of those (UNC) was a low quality opponent.

So, again I ask. Since only one of those opponents scored over 30, why should anyone believe Montana is going to score 50??? UM is not clearly better than AZ ST or Fresno ST.

Since the original Griz fan I responded to based his entire logic on what the Sac State offense has scored against what he considered lesser opponents, I pointed out that the same logic could be applied to Sac State defense and the fact that UM isn't better than AZ ST or FSU.

But you seem to only want to look at it one way.

Listen, I'm not making any predictions or implying that Sac State will undoubtedly win. I have no idea. I'm merely hopeful they will win.

I'm just questioning the logic cited as to why Sac State couldn't possibly score as many points as some of the UM fans predicted in this thread then turning it around on those that are predicting the Griz to score 40 or 50 while ignoring the same logic they just used to justify half of their score prediction. It makes no sense at all.

Good post but I want to point out one problem: UNC is only a 'low quality opponent' when you play them, they are an 'emerging powerhouse' when we play them. Other wise your post is very good. I have no idea who will win, I'm rooting for the Griz, but that what I do.

Thanks. There are certainly some rational fans here, and you are one of them.

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

One direction? What are you talking about?

SS has run up its points and TO against weak teams. Its scoring and offense are inflated.

UM has scored a zillion points against its FCS app;onents.

You think UM can't score 30 or 40 points against SS. How is SS going to stop UM? I say your only chance is turnovers.

Look what UM did to Davis' offense and great qb. That's why I'm thinking UM will do against SS.

Those FBS teams don't have good offenses. 92d and 70th in scoring. 29 and 25 points. 73d and 88th in TO. The best one averages just over 400 per game.

Want to bet me on whether UM scores more in first half against SS than Fresno did?

AHEM.

This surely didn’t age well.

Go ahead, it’s ok. You can admit how wrong your were. About everything.

When you boast as openly as you did here, isn’t only fair to own up to it?

 

[jodcon]

I'm just questioning the logic cited

This was your problem right here friend. I could have saved you a lot of time...

Apparently so.

Quite a few of these Griz fans were so sure of themselves. All I tried to do was point out the flawed logic. I never once predicted that Sac State would win. I thought they could win and even thought what we ended up seeing was possible, but I wouldn’t have bet on it.

All I knew was any Griz fan believing their team would score 40 or 50 was not being realistic. At all.

The guy wondering why so many were predicting Sac State to score 30+ must be questioning everything he thought he knew.

Well this is a Griz board, and most fans are going to believe in their team, especially after putting up a ton of points while moving to a 5-1 record, so not surprising many thought we would put up 40 or more, which is really about what it should have been sans a couple dropped balls that may have went for 6.

In the end SS played great and exposed the problems many of us feared coming in, enjoy the ride buckeye your team should make noise in the playoffs. We should make it too although without Sneed it could be a little tougher.

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

I'm just questioning the logic cited

This was your problem right here friend. I could have saved you a lot of time...

Apparently so.

Quite a few of these Griz fans were so sure of themselves. All I tried to do was point out the flawed logic. I never once predicted that Sac State would win. I thought they could win and even thought what we ended up seeing was possible, but I wouldn’t have bet on it.

All I knew was any Griz fan believing their team would score 40 or 50 was not being realistic. At all.

The guy wondering why so many were predicting Sac State to score 30+ must be questioning everything he thought he knew.

Well this is a Griz board, and most fans are going to believe in their team, especially after putting up a ton of points while moving to a 5-1 record, so not surprising many thought we would put up 40 or more, which is really about what it should have been sans a couple dropped balls that may have went for 6.

In the end SS played great and exposed the problems many of us feared coming in, enjoy the ride buckeye your team should make noise in the playoffs. We should make it too although without Sneed it could be a little tougher.

Thanks for the reply, jodcon.

Agreed, it is a Griz board. And no issue with people believing in their team. But when pressed to defend some of the overzealous predictions and reasonings, all I got was absolute statements.

I surely didn’t know how the game was going to unfold. Hence I didn’t make a bold prediction here. I just didn’t understand the logic behind justifying the Griz scoring 40+ points while hypocritically not applying that same logic toward Sac State’s offense.

Just felt it was appropriate to serve those select people some humble pie, specifically the ones that were so indignant and insulted by my questions.

Btw, any word on Sneed’s injury? I was at the game and it didn’t look good on the replay. Hope that kid is ok. Great player.

 

[jodcon]

This was your problem right here friend. I could have saved you a lot of time...

Apparently so.

Quite a few of these Griz fans were so sure of themselves. All I tried to do was point out the flawed logic. I never once predicted that Sac State would win. I thought they could win and even thought what we ended up seeing was possible, but I wouldn’t have bet on it.

All I knew was any Griz fan believing their team would score 40 or 50 was not being realistic. At all.

The guy wondering why so many were predicting Sac State to score 30+ must be questioning everything he thought he knew.

Well this is a Griz board, and most fans are going to believe in their team, especially after putting up a ton of points while moving to a 5-1 record, so not surprising many thought we would put up 40 or more, which is really about what it should have been sans a couple dropped balls that may have went for 6.

In the end SS played great and exposed the problems many of us feared coming in, enjoy the ride buckeye your team should make noise in the playoffs. We should make it too although without Sneed it could be a little tougher.

Thanks for the reply, jodcon.

Agreed, it is a Griz board. And no issue with people believing in their team. But when pressed to defend some of the overzealous predictions and reasonings, all I got was absolute statements.

I surely didn’t know how the game was going to unfold. Hence I didn’t make a bold prediction here. I just didn’t understand the logic behind justifying the Griz scoring 40+ points while hypocritically not applying that same logic toward Sac State’s offense.

Just felt it was appropriate to serve those select people some humble pie, specifically the ones that were so indignant and insulted by my questions.

Btw, any word on Sneed’s injury? I was at the game and it didn’t look good on the replay. Hope that kid is ok. Great player.

Not that I've heard, but that is normal with Hauck, he is very cryptic on injuries which is really part of his no injury excuses persona. if he does miss time hopefully he will be back before the Weber and Cat games, those two will have big implications.

 

[Cledus]

I’m a little confused by some of the predictions for this game. More than a few predictions have Sac St losing in a high scoring shootout, and some predict Sac scoring 40 or more points.

Did I miss something? Is Sac St’s offense somehow better suited to score against the Griz than Oregon was? The Griz have given up an average of 22.6 points a game, 20.2 if you take Oregon out of the equation. Sac St put up big points on whatever Southern Oregon is and put 50 on a terrible UnCo team. They needed 2 defensive scores to put away a mediocre at best EWU. What about those stats suggest the Griz giving up 35+ points?

I’m genuinely confused at the idea that Sac St, as good as they are, would have a shot at scoring 30+ on this defense, let alone 40.

Just curious, are you also confused or not in agreement with those predicting the Griz to score well over 30, 40 or even 50 points?

I mean, the Hornets are yielding an average of 20.2 per game in 5 FBS/FCS contests. Only Fresno State has scored more than 30 and they were held to 20 midway through the 4th.

So what about those stats would suggest Montana could or should score more than any other opponent the Hornets have faced??

It seems to me it goes both ways.

Because UM's offense is good and your defense is not as good. That's why.

Note that 77 of your points, 685 of your TO, and 4 of your qb's TD's, came against So. Oregon. And 50 points and 615 of TO came against No Colo.

And your gave SO 21 first downs.

And your kickers suck. No FG's made. 4 extra points missed.

 

[buckeyehornetfan]

I’m a little confused by some of the predictions for this game. More than a few predictions have Sac St losing in a high scoring shootout, and some predict Sac scoring 40 or more points.

Did I miss something? Is Sac St’s offense somehow better suited to score against the Griz than Oregon was? The Griz have given up an average of 22.6 points a game, 20.2 if you take Oregon out of the equation. Sac St put up big points on whatever Southern Oregon is and put 50 on a terrible UnCo team. They needed 2 defensive scores to put away a mediocre at best EWU. What about those stats suggest the Griz giving up 35+ points?

I’m genuinely confused at the idea that Sac St, as good as they are, would have a shot at scoring 30+ on this defense, let alone 40.

Just curious, are you also confused or not in agreement with those predicting the Griz to score well over 30, 40 or even 50 points?

I mean, the Hornets are yielding an average of 20.2 per game in 5 FBS/FCS contests. Only Fresno State has scored more than 30 and they were held to 20 midway through the 4th.

So what about those stats would suggest Montana could or should score more than any other opponent the Hornets have faced??

It seems to me it goes both ways.

Because UM's offense is good and your defense is not as good. That's why.

Note that 77 of your points, 685 of your TO, and 4 of your qb's TD's, came against So. Oregon. And 50 points and 615 of TO came against No Colo.

And your gave SO 21 first downs.

And your kickers suck. No FG's made. 4 extra points missed.

Playerrep and Firegriz should lose their analysis and prediction privileges on this board </ tongue in cheek>

Literally nothing they emphatically positioned as truth regarding the strengths, weaknesses, advantages, disadvantages of either team was correct.

It’s one thing to hope or believe your team will win but something altogether different to be an arrogant blind homer with no true grasp on reality. Hyperbole at its finest.

None of the above is directed to the cool Griz fans on this site that believed in their team but that weren’t condescending or unrealistic leading up to the game. Hang in there, guys. Your team will be just fine. Hopefully your QB won’t miss a ton of time.

 

[EverettGriz]

There likely are a fair number of regrettable posts in this thread.