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[EverettGriz]

So should msu's leadership be asked why that did not occur? Is it out of line for them no to address that question? Do you still have faith in them to make good decisions and do what needs to be done? Do you believe if the coaches plea to a lesser charge that no action will be taken and the WAAC program happily rolls along?

The leadership already has stated that they do not comment on employee personnel matters. I take it that is why the media is not asking. I am sure the leadership feels they are handling this the right way based on the information and facts that they have. Time will tell. I don't think we can determine if they made good decisions or not until due process is completed and what actions are taken and we hear their explanation as to why they did what they did especially not suspending them until trial. I do believe that will all come out. I don't believe that they are doing anything nefarious. I know these people pretty well and I find them to be good honest people. That is my opinion. I don't know how you can determine what they should do if they plead to a lesser charge until you see the facts around it. I should still think there would be some penalty. If found innocent then life goes on. If found guilty, in my opinion they should be fired. You may not like or agree with my answers but that is my opinion.

I know what they've said. I'm asking if you feel that is appropriate. And I'm asking you if you feel they should have been suspended?

But it sounds to me as if you're saying the WAAC program is just praying for a not-guilty verdict (or, more likely, a lesser plea) so everything can be all hunky dory again (I mean, one of them DID serve a one-game suspension so....) and we can all get back to full WAAC. But do let me know if I've misconstrued.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So should msu's leadership be asked why that did not occur? Is it out of line for them no to address that question? Do you still have faith in them to make good decisions and do what needs to be done? Do you believe if the coaches plea to a lesser charge that no action will be taken and the WAAC program happily rolls along?

The leadership already has stated that they do not comment on employee personnel matters. I take it that is why the media is not asking. I am sure the leadership feels they are handling this the right way based on the information and facts that they have. Time will tell. I don't think we can determine if they made good decisions or not until due process is completed and what actions are taken and we hear their explanation as to why they did what they did especially not suspending them until trial. I do believe that will all come out. I don't believe that they are doing anything nefarious. I know these people pretty well and I find them to be good honest people. That is my opinion. I don't know how you can determine what they should do if they plead to a lesser charge until you see the facts around it. I should still think there would be some penalty. If found innocent then life goes on. If found guilty, in my opinion they should be fired. You may not like or agree with my answers but that is my opinion.

Oh BS. The leadership already commented on Garza.

"Montana State defensive coordinator Willie Mack Garza has been suspended from the team for Saturday's FCS playoff game against Weber State."

"MSU made the announcement on Monday via a news release."

""We all have a responsibility to each other, to our team, to our university, to our community to make decisions with all those entities in mind," Vigen said. "Coach Garza failed to do so, and because of that will be serving a one-game suspension this Saturday.

"That's all I'm going to comment on it at this point. Bobby Daly will call the defense on Saturday and we'll move forward from here."

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-state-bobcats/montana-state-defensive-coordinator-willie-mack-garza-suspended-for-playoff-game-vs-weber-state

 

[CDAGRIZ]

So, because a bunch of stupid fans do it, and it would’ve been handled differently 15 (seems to be the magic number) years ago, does that mean MSU has handled this well? The are scum, and you can come up with any excuses you want, but they are scum.

Lol..... aaaaaaand once again, you wouldn't be calling them scum if the Cats weren't on top, and you know it. :lol:

I’ve been calling them scum for almost 30 years. They continue to prove me right.

 

[bigsky33]

The leadership already has stated that they do not comment on employee personnel matters. I take it that is why the media is not asking. I am sure the leadership feels they are handling this the right way based on the information and facts that they have. Time will tell. I don't think we can determine if they made good decisions or not until due process is completed and what actions are taken and we hear their explanation as to why they did what they did especially not suspending them until trial. I do believe that will all come out. I don't believe that they are doing anything nefarious. I know these people pretty well and I find them to be good honest people. That is my opinion. I don't know how you can determine what they should do if they plead to a lesser charge until you see the facts around it. I should still think there would be some penalty. If found innocent then life goes on. If found guilty, in my opinion they should be fired. You may not like or agree with my answers but that is my opinion.

I know what they've said. I'm asking if you feel that is appropriate. And I'm asking you if you feel they should have been suspended?

But it sounds to me as if you're saying the WAAC program is just praying for a not-guilty verdict (or, more likely, a lesser plea) so everything can be all hunky dory again (I mean, one of them DID serve a one-game suspension so....) and we can all get back to full WAAC. But do let me know if I've misconstrued.

I don't know the reasons behind their no comment policy so I really cannot judge if it is appropriate or not. As someone that would like to know more, I find it frustrating. And, no I am not praying for a not guilty or lesser plea so everything can be okay again. What I want is for a trial to take place as soon as possible and that they get a fair trial and all the facts come out. And then let the chips fall where they may. I told you in my previous response what I thought should happen based on the outcome of the trial. Then I would like to hear an explanation and the reasoning from leadership as to why it was handled like it was. And, I have said consistently that I thought they should have been suspended awaiting trial.

What I try to block out is all the rumors, innuendo, conspiracy theories and the questioning of peoples integrity. We only have what we read in the paper and that was not much. I was taught at an early age their are two sides to every story. I found that to be true throughout my life. We have not heard both sides in these cases yet.

 

[CatsRback]

What’d I miss on BCN 2.0? We still crying over here?

 

[Bear Axed]

So should msu's leadership be asked why that did not occur? Is it out of line for them no to address that question? Do you still have faith in them to make good decisions and do what needs to be done? Do you believe if the coaches plea to a lesser charge that no action will be taken and the WAAC program happily rolls along?

The leadership already has stated that they do not comment on employee personnel matters. I take it that is why the media is not asking. I am sure the leadership feels they are handling this the right way based on the information and facts that they have. Time will tell. I don't think we can determine if they made good decisions or not until due process is completed and what actions are taken and we hear their explanation as to why they did what they did especially not suspending them until trial. I do believe that will all come out. I don't believe that they are doing anything nefarious. I know these people pretty well and I find them to be good honest people. That is my opinion. I don't know how you can determine what they should do if they plead to a lesser charge until you see the facts around it. I should still think there would be some penalty. If found innocent then life goes on. If found guilty, in my opinion they should be fired. You may not like or agree with my answers but that is my opinion.

So in other words....
Every kitten and kitten fan is marching in unison, in Lock Step
chanting in whispers.."Win At Any Cost"

Got Yah :thumb:

 

[Copper Griz]

I don’t think you should be thanking anyone. Now is a time for reflection about a very serious issue. Damn lucky that coach didn’t hit and kill someone. Would you be on another BSC fan board spouting gibberish if an innocent person would have been killed by an MSU employee in a state owned vehicle? Seriously, think about what you just posted. You are minimizing the severity of the offense. He is still employed. At least one other Bobcat coach with a DUI is still employed. (I think it is actually his third). Raises and contract extensions? I don’t care what program it is or how successful they are - it is unbelievably irresponsible to keep them employed. Do as I say guys. Not as I do. What a great mentor and coach for young men. You should slink away and not post one more thing about this issue. If it were a Griz coach I would be all over Haslam. (I don’t think I would have to. Bodner would have acted quickly and Haslam would have done his job. Tax payers deserve more responsible representatives of the state and their institutions. This situation doesn’t just look bad - it is terrible. Yep, I am angry about it. Mothers against drunk drivers should be furious. Anyone who lost a loved one or a child to a drunk driver should be calling for the President, AD and head coach to be fired. You as a fan have demonstrated your ignorance and disregard for a huge problem in Montana. Shame shame.

No, you're misunderstanding the point. Drinking and driving is a serious issue and I am not minimizing it whatsoever. Thousands and thousands of griz and Bobcat fans get behind the wheel and drive home hammered after the games... and some of them actually drive long distances which is extremely dangerous to the general public, versus driving in downtown Missoula or Bozeman... which of course a boatload of people do too.

The point here was all about the fact that the only reason griz nation is freaking out about this is because the Cats are so good. If the Cats still sucked, and were getting their asses kicked by the griz... there would be nowhere near the outrage that all these griz fans are displaying now. I'm not attacking you specifically, maybe your moral compass is perfectly consistent and you'd still be just as pissed off about the situation had it happened fifteen years ago versus today. The vast majority of griz nation is not in that boat however, and if you don't believe that you're kidding yourself.

I don’t represent all Griz fans. Just one person speaking his kind. I have numerous Cat friends and I hate losing to MSU at anything. Just like they hate losing to the Griz. The banter back and forth is relentless, unforgiving and all in good fun. I wouldn’t care if the Cats were 0-250 or National Champs. This issue is so much larger than sports. Your post highlights the problem. We have an issue as a state with drunk driving. Not handling this correctly sends the wrong message. There is no way to sugarcoat it. You now have a coach with 3 DUI’s and he is a major liability for MSU and should not be an employee getting a check. Same goes for any other program. NAIA, D1 or D2. Not moving quickly and decisively is minimizing the behavior and it does give a message that sports is more important than doing the right thing. I am no Mother Theresa and fortunately have never made the bad decisions that resulted in a DUI. Does that make me better than others? No, but I am not a public employee representing an institution and coaching young men who look to me for guidance and life lessons. MSU needs to do better. Be better. I expect an institution of higher learning that gets taxpayer funds to set high standards. Congrats to the Cats for having some good years in football and other sports. That is great for the state and for the rivalry between two solid schools. I hope this situation gets resolved appropriately in the coming months. Unfortunately I have no confidence that it will. Fortunately for everyone on this board - this will be my last post on the whole mess. Football season is thankfully here.

 

[Copper Griz]

No, you're misunderstanding the point. Drinking and driving is a serious issue and I am not minimizing it whatsoever. Thousands and thousands of griz and Bobcat fans get behind the wheel and drive home hammered after the games... and some of them actually drive long distances which is extremely dangerous to the general public, versus driving in downtown Missoula or Bozeman... which of course a boatload of people do too.

The point here was all about the fact that the only reason griz nation is freaking out about this is because the Cats are so good. If the Cats still sucked, and were getting their asses kicked by the griz... there would be nowhere near the outrage that all these griz fans are displaying now. I'm not attacking you specifically, maybe your moral compass is perfectly consistent and you'd still be just as pissed off about the situation had it happened fifteen years ago versus today. The vast majority of griz nation is not in that boat however, and if you don't believe that you're kidding yourself.

I don’t represent all Griz fans. Just one person speaking his mind. I have numerous Cat friends and I hate losing to MSU at anything. Just like they hate losing to the Griz. The banter back and forth is relentless, unforgiving and all in good fun. I wouldn’t care if the Cats were 0-250 or National Champs. This issue is so much larger than sports. Your post highlights the problem. We have an issue as a state with drunk driving. Not handling this correctly sends the wrong message. There is no way to sugarcoat it. You now have a coach with 3 DUI’s and he is a major liability for MSU and should not be an employee getting a check. Same goes for any other program. NAIA, D1 or D2. Not moving quickly and decisively is minimizing the behavior and it does give a message that sports is more important than doing the right thing. I am no Mother Theresa and fortunately have never made the bad decisions that resulted in a DUI. Does that make me better than others? No, but I am not a public employee representing an institution and coaching young men who look to me for guidance and life lessons. MSU needs to do better. Be better. I expect an institution of higher learning that gets taxpayer funds to set high standards. Congrats to the Cats for having some good years in football and other sports. That is great for the state and for the rivalry between two solid schools. I hope this situation gets resolved appropriately in the coming months. Unfortunately I have no confidence that it will. Fortunately for everyone on this board - this will be my last post on the whole mess. Football season is thankfully here.

 

[HookedonGriz]

No, you're misunderstanding the point. Drinking and driving is a serious issue and I am not minimizing it whatsoever. Thousands and thousands of griz and Bobcat fans get behind the wheel and drive home hammered after the games... and some of them actually drive long distances which is extremely dangerous to the general public, versus driving in downtown Missoula or Bozeman... which of course a boatload of people do too.

The point here was all about the fact that the only reason griz nation is freaking out about this is because the Cats are so good. If the Cats still sucked, and were getting their asses kicked by the griz... there would be nowhere near the outrage that all these griz fans are displaying now. I'm not attacking you specifically, maybe your moral compass is perfectly consistent and you'd still be just as pissed off about the situation had it happened fifteen years ago versus today. The vast majority of griz nation is not in that boat however, and if you don't believe that you're kidding yourself.

I don’t represent all Griz fans. Just one person speaking his kind. I have numerous Cat friends and I hate losing to MSU at anything. Just like they hate losing to the Griz. The banter back and forth is relentless, unforgiving and all in good fun. I wouldn’t care if the Cats were 0-250 or National Champs. This issue is so much larger than sports. Your post highlights the problem. We have an issue as a state with drunk driving. Not handling this correctly sends the wrong message. There is no way to sugarcoat it. You now have a coach with 3 DUI’s and he is a major liability for MSU and should not be an employee getting a check. Same goes for any other program. NAIA, D1 or D2. Not moving quickly and decisively is minimizing the behavior and it does give a message that sports is more important than doing the right thing. I am no Mother Theresa and fortunately have never made the bad decisions that resulted in a DUI. Does that make me better than others? No, but I am not a public employee representing an institution and coaching young men who look to me for guidance and life lessons. MSU needs to do better. Be better. I expect an institution of higher learning that gets taxpayer funds to set high standards. Congrats to the Cats for having some good years in football and other sports. That is great for the state and for the rivalry between two solid schools. I hope this situation gets resolved appropriately in the coming months. Unfortunately I have no confidence that it will. Fortunately for everyone on this board - this will be my last post on the whole mess. Football season is thankfully here.

Perfectly stated.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don’t represent all Griz fans. Just one person speaking his kind. I have numerous Cat friends and I hate losing to MSU at anything. Just like they hate losing to the Griz. The banter back and forth is relentless, unforgiving and all in good fun. I wouldn’t care if the Cats were 0-250 or National Champs. This issue is so much larger than sports. Your post highlights the problem. We have an issue as a state with drunk driving. Not handling this correctly sends the wrong message. There is no way to sugarcoat it. You now have a coach with 3 DUI’s and he is a major liability for MSU and should not be an employee getting a check. Same goes for any other program. NAIA, D1 or D2. Not moving quickly and decisively is minimizing the behavior and it does give a message that sports is more important than doing the right thing. I am no Mother Theresa and fortunately have never made the bad decisions that resulted in a DUI. Does that make me better than others? No, but I am not a public employee representing an institution and coaching young men who look to me for guidance and life lessons. MSU needs to do better. Be better. I expect an institution of higher learning that gets taxpayer funds to set high standards. Congrats to the Cats for having some good years in football and other sports. That is great for the state and for the rivalry between two solid schools. I hope this situation gets resolved appropriately in the coming months. Unfortunately I have no confidence that it will. Fortunately for everyone on this board - this will be my last post on the whole mess. Football season is thankfully here.

Perfectly stated.

That was a very good post. I don’t understand why MSU is so oblivious.

 

[garizzalies]

No, you're misunderstanding the point. Drinking and driving is a serious issue and I am not minimizing it whatsoever.

No, you and your entire dumbass fanbase keep misunderstanding the point. This isn't a fandom issue anymore. It’s a state-wide problem and bubcats keep burying their fucking heads in the sand

I’m so sick of hearing this crap from bubcats.

Do you ever get tired of down-playing duis?

“DUIs are very serious, I promise, BUT….”

“I’m not minimizing DUIs whatsoever…believe me, I just said I’m not, so I can’t possibly, BUT…”

But what?

But the bubcats are finally winning! That’s what.

=WAAC

Who gives a shit about some hypothetical question set 15 years ago? Even if true, it’s just some dumb deflection. Shouldn’t we be asking how we can change the next 15 years?

Right now, not only is the bubcat admin doing nothing to change the “culture”, but it’s actually supporting its dui culture with raises! It’s disgusting and all bubs can do is try to deflect onto Griz somehow.

 

[retiredpopo]

reading a few people's posts I think they should form a mob and grab the pitchforks and torches and march into bozo and take care of biz....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvGnro4Cgw

 

[CDAGRIZ]

No, you're misunderstanding the point. Drinking and driving is a serious issue and I am not minimizing it whatsoever.

No, you and your entire dumbass fanbase keep misunderstanding the point. This isn't a fandom issue anymore. It’s a state-wide problem and bubcats keep burying their fucking heads in the sand

I’m so sick of hearing this crap from bubcats.

Do you ever get tired of down-playing duis?

“DUIs are very serious, I promise, BUT….”

“I’m not minimizing DUIs whatsoever…believe me, I just said I’m not, so I can’t possibly, BUT…”

But what?

But the bubcats are finally winning! That’s what.

=WAAC

Who gives a shit about some hypothetical question set 15 years ago? Even if true, it’s just some dumb deflection. Shouldn’t we be asking how we can change the next 15 years?

Right now, not only is the bubcat admin doing nothing to change the “culture”, but it’s actually supporting its dui culture with raises! It’s disgusting and all bubs can do is try to deflect onto Griz somehow.

Exactly. #scumcats
Saying nobody would care if the Bubs weren’t good is absolutely idiotic. I have heard/read so many excuses for MSU’s horrible handling of this and none of them have made any sense.

 

[sdk.catfish]

When you live in a country where a person indicted 4 times with 91 felony counts, as well as being convicted in civil court of sexual assualt can be his parties leading presidential canidate; where truth no longer is important and there are only alternative facts based on what one's opinion is; then are you really surprised that a couple of dui charges by a couple of dips kind of falls to the bottom of the old priority list and can just get shined on in the courts and the MSU administration?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Now we’re doing the “Well other big stories are going on” stuff?

I honestly didn’t mind the Skyline podcast overall (aside from the host constantly interrupting the guest), the excuse angle that they took about DUIs being common around WaGriz was certainly a bold strategy. But, now? Now, we have a new one.

 

[mthoopsfan]

When you live in a country where a person indicted 4 times with 91 felony counts, as well as being convicted in civil court of the deed assualt can be his parties leading presidential canidate; where truth no longer is important and there are only alternative facts based on what one's opinion is; then are you really surprised that a couple of dui charges by a couple of dips kind of falls to the bottom of the old priority list and can just get shined on in the courts and the MSU administration?

Yes, I am surprised that the MSU administration has blown this so badly. The MSU administration is not Trump.

 

[BigGameBobby]

http://www.montanakaimin.com/features/asset-or-liability-bobby-hauck-s-controversial-return-to-um/article_de551310-db75-11e7-b412-dbef348385d4.amp.html

Glass houses.

 

[sdk.catfish]

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Yes, I am surprised that the MSU administration has blown this so badly. The MSU administration is not Trump

I happen to agree with you for once. Just pointing out that when the rule of law and law and order is ignored by large sectors of the population in favor of believing what ever they see on their hand picked social media accounts, any sense or morality or doing the right thing is seen as being a sucker. Don't have to feel compelled to do it because truth is no longer important. Since you or I don't have the baggage of popular social media we we may be immune to this socailly distructive behaviour.

 

[poorgriz]

MSU is handling this EXACTLY how they're being instructed to handle it from a legal standpoint. The only option here is to be prudent, and patient. It sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

http://www.montanakaimin.com/features/asset-or-liability-bobby-hauck-s-controversial-return-to-um/article_de551310-db75-11e7-b412-dbef348385d4.amp.html

Glass houses.

Let's see what the spoiled and privileged snow flakes have been up to.


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