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recruiting

robomomo said:
djollieballs said:
Can Tinkle develop talent?

Do we even need to ask that question?

Is Jordan even as good as he was his freshman year? Does Mcgillis look like a Pac-10 player? Does Selvig look like the highest rated recruit Montana has ever seen?

Without AJ, this would be the second or third worst team in the league.
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THIS IS FACT!
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Fact is something that can be proven one way or the other. This is nothing more an opinion or in scientific terms a theory or hypothesis. If it is fact, that is by your own definition or fact in your own mind.
 
Speaking of recruiting, the Bobcats are looking at three players in the Cleveland, Ohio area. Temesghen Starr, their new assistant coach, is from Columbus, and he and Huse were in Cleveland to recruit the last couple of days. Starr went to high school with the son of a friend of mine. My friend knows I'm originally from Montana, and she was so excited that someone she knew worked in Montana. My response: tell him to keep up the good work and keep losing to the Griz!

Msalcat, do you know who they are recruiting? I don't anything about the Cleveland high schools--the Columbus kids all end up at Ohio State or the MAC schools. Starr's Ohio connections have already landed Larry Swann, who played point guard for a top program here in Columbus, but hasn't produced for the Cats.
 
hosulaw said:
Speaking of recruiting, the Bobcats are looking at three players in the Cleveland, Ohio area. Temesghen Starr, their new assistant coach, is from Columbus, and he and Huse were in Cleveland to recruit the last couple of days. Starr went to high school with the son of a friend of mine. My friend knows I'm originally from Montana, and she was so excited that someone she knew worked in Montana. My response: tell him to keep up the good work and keep losing to the Griz!

Msalcat, do you know who they are recruiting? I don't anything about the Cleveland high schools--the Columbus kids all end up at Ohio State or the MAC schools. Starr's Ohio connections have already landed Larry Swann, who played point guard for a top program here in Columbus, but hasn't produced for the Cats.
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It sounds like you should be asking your son's friend, she (?) seems closer to this than I. If they were looking at three players I would guess that they are looking at seniors and juniors. A guess would be 6-0 Brandon Campbell from Cleveland Central Catholic, but it is not a too educated guess. Like the Griz MSU is looking, I think, to pick up a point guard. I think the Griz are more looking at the JC ranks and the Cat's are looking more at the high school ranks.

Temesghen Starr has really been a very nice pick up for the Cat. He has a lot of connections in California where he was a high school AAU coach, as well as some connections in Ohio and the mid west. Starr's real contribution to the Bobcats this year was not Swann but Marquis Naverre the Cat's starting point guard. Larry Swann was a late pick up when a guard decided to leave the Bobcats late this summer. Swann did not join the program until the start of Fall semester. Most of the Bobcat recruit's and players spent the summer in Bozeman taking classes and working out. It is true Swann has not produced for the Cat's but in all fairness it is hard to produce when you are redshirting.
 
Look, CET is fine, but in my opinion, he needs to be more of a scoring threat to be effective. You can’t have a real effective point guard when other teams can just sag off and give him 15-foot jumpers.

Look at Dominguez and McCoy. Those guys are quick, great passers, good defenders, and they’re a threat from deep. In my humble opinion, that fourth element is very important in today’s college game.

I’m not saying this to cut down CET. He’s done a nice job for the Griz, and we’re lucky to have had him. But I’m commenting on what I believe it will take for the Griz to climb the ladder, not on what it will take for them to stay on the same rung.
 
robomomo said:
djollieballs said:
Can Tinkle develop talent?

Do we even need to ask that question?

Is Jordan even as good as he was his freshman year? Does Mcgillis look like a Pac-10 player? Does Selvig look like the highest rated recruit Montana has ever seen?

Without AJ, this would be the second or third worst team in the league.
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THIS IS FACT!
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That kind of speculation is just stupid. The logic goes something like this: "Tinkle is a bad coach because he recruited and is playing a guy who is in the running for player of the year, and without that guy, we'd have a worse team." Duh. The Celtics would have sucked without Larry Bird.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
robomomo said:
THIS IS FACT!
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That kind of speculation is just stupid. The logic goes something like this: "Tinkle is a bad coach because he recruited and is playing a guy who is in the running for player of the year, and without that guy, we'd have a worse team." Duh. The Celtics would have sucked without Larry Bird.
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The logic goes nothing like that. "Tinkle is bad coach becasue he recruits players that don't get better year over year."

Although Tinkle seems to be calling the plays better, so maybe he can focus on the player development. I still don't think he's a good d-1 coach but he might be serviceable in the Big Sky.
 
robomomo said:
development means improvement over time. AJ came in Guns a Blazin, saw nobody else taking it to the rack.
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nope :? .....AJ started out slowly. He really didn't kick his scoring up consistently until league started. ;)
 
Since this is a recruiting thread perhaps someone can answer a couple of general recruiting questions.
Does Montana, or any other low level D-1 Basketball team ever go after 4 and 5 star recruits or is it thought to be a waste of time? Think Rodney Stuckey, every year. I am probably naive but I personally think we are either setting the bar too low or the program is too limited in resources to chase kids that are offered by the Pac 10, Big 10 or Gonzagas.
Do the Griz need a bigger recruiting budget and can the boosters pay for it?
 
Evizzerate said:
Since this is a recruiting thread perhaps someone can answer a couple of general recruiting questions.
Does Montana, or any other low level D-1 Basketball team ever go after 4 and 5 star recruits or is it thought to be a waste of time? Think Rodney Stuckey, every year. I am probably naive but I personally think we are either setting the bar too low or the program is too limited in resources to chase kids that are offered by the Pac 10, Big 10 or Gonzagas.
Do the Griz need a bigger recruiting budget and can the boosters pay for it?
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All 3 of our incoming Freshman for next year are ranked 78 or higher by ESPN. Granted, I am not a recruiting expert and do not follow who signs where, but do know this class ranks as high as any GRIZ class. Normally a BSC team is lucky to bring in a single recruit thats ranks over a 50. I feel this upcoming class is on par to many mid level larger conferences recruiting classes.

I honestly do not know how much better of a recruiting class the GRIZ can get than this years recruits.
 
Thanks guy...I went back and looked at Selvigs. He was a 79 and Cherry is an 80 on ESPN.
Here is the ESPN grading system: While it might be good for the BSC and the recruits might be better then usual for the Griz , an 80 grading is not even a sure fire MID MAJOR starter. This is the first time I've looked at these rankings. In my mind I have been holding the Griz to a mid major standard but now realize we are pretty low on the D-1 scale.
Western Michigan , a crappy little MAC team we have had in Dahlberg Arena and one that we should be able to compete with has two commits for next year graded at 86 and 84. Solid mid major prospects. We should set our bar higher.


98-100: High-major plus prospect
Player demonstrates rare abilities. He should have an immediate impact at a national program with the potential for early entry into the NBA.

94-97: High-major prospect
Player has the potential to significantly contribute as a freshman for most national programs. He could be a three- or four-year starter and have an opportunity for all-league honors.

90-93: High-major minus prospect
Player has the potential to significantly contribute to a national program as a freshman. He could be a four-year contributor with an opportunity to start over the course of his career.

87-89: Mid-major plus prospect
Player could contribute for three or four years at a high-major program or have a significant impact as a freshman at a mid-major program.

83-86: Mid-major prospect
Player should be a solid contributor and two- or three-year starter at a mid-major program.

80-82: Mid-major minus prospect
Player could be a three- or four-year contributor with an opportunity to eventually start at a mid-major program.

77-79: Low-major plus prospect
Player could contribute at a mid-major school but should be a significant contributor as a freshman at a low-major program.

73-76: Low-major prospect
Player should be a solid contributor and two- or three-year starter at a low-major program.

70-72: Low-major minus prospect
Player could be a three- or four-year contributor with an opportunity to eventually start at a low-major program.

40: Pending Prospect
Player evaluation is pending film.
 
I believe both Woods and Cherry are flying under the radar big time. Two friends of mine who coach in CA, both believe Cherry should be 85 to 90 plus and Woods 83-85. Woods is viewed/ranked as a small 4, which is why is score is lower than it should be. Both believe he is athletic enough and has the desire to be a very good SF. Cherry has been 2 for the most part in high school, so he is tough to evaluate at 1/PG. Defensively and athletic wise he is ready to be a collegiate PG. Scouting services are scoring lower because they question his offense and leadership as a PG.

Most years Montana recruits are 40's to 50's. So at least we are finally getting kids that scouting services are looking at with some good scores.

You are right, Montana and the BSC conference is more of a small level conference and programs than a true midmajor. This may slowly change for the better. A few months ago I was looking through BSC programs recruiting classes. If I recall correctly Montana, Weber State, and Portland State all had highly ranked recruits in comparison to what the conference normally gets.

LATE NOTE: If being a QB does not work out for Gerald Kemp, he is one hell of a basketball player too. Why not see what he can do for us?

I am sure MSLACAT will chime in more on this.
 
To the first question about Montana or a Big Sky team ever recruiting a 4-5 star basketball player. The answer is yes, but the real question is how much money are they willing to invest in recruiting these or any other athlete. For Big Sky Conference teams (from here on out BSC) it always come down to resources and money. BSC team have very limited resources when compared to most of the D-1 team, and they have to be doled out very judiciously, and they can not spend a lot of money chasing kids who they really have no or very little chance of getting. On the plus side though recruiting a kid really does not cost a school a lot of money until their senior year any way. There are plenty of kids the Griz (and other BSC teams) have recruited that turn into 4-5 star athletes. here are a couple examples of what happens.

Mark McLaughlin is a 4 star 6-5 small forward from Washington who also happens to be Bobby Howard's cousin. The Cats, Eastern Washington, and Montana (and maybe more) recruited him from his sophomore year when he was projected as a 1-2 star prospect. His stock rose significantly and a lot of schools jumped in. Mark was quite frank with all BSC teams that if he choose to play in the BSC it would be with his cousin at MSU. BSC teams (except MSU) stopped spending resources there after that recruiting him. MSU on the other hand still felt comfortable enough to continue recruiting despite being a 4 star. Risk / Reward evaluation.

The Griz have been recruiting a kid by the Name of EJ Singler from Washington. Yes he is the little brother of the Singler who plays Duke. They were pretty in with him. His recruiting though has taken off in the last 6 or so months, and so has his rating. It right now looked like he will sign with a Pac-10 school. I would bet the Griz are keeping in contact with him, but will they fly 2-3 coaches in to evaluate him, maybe not.

About Stucky, everyone missed the boat on him, coupled that with grade problems and he was an incredibly under recruited player. Both U of W and WSU were not interested as a player and even less when it looked like he would have a grade problem. Now do not get me wrong EWU knew/felt that if they could get him eligible they would have a great player, but no one ever thought he was going to be an NBA player, let alone a first round pick. The is a lot of revisionist history going on about Stucky but know on knew he was as good as he turned out to be,
 
PeauxRouge said:
And as good as Stuckey was, he still couldn't get his team very far.
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If I remember correctly, Stuckey transferred down to EWU after he couldn't manage his grades at the higher level. EWU has recently proven some of their academic standards aren't the best. He was there a year and took off for the NBA, I'd rather not see a guy like that playing for the Griz.
 
Re/MaxGriz said:
PeauxRouge said:
And as good as Stuckey was, he still couldn't get his team very far.
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If I remember correctly, Stuckey transferred down to EWU after he couldn't manage his grades at the higher level. EWU has recently proven some of their academic standards aren't the best. He was there a year and took off for the NBA, I'd rather not see a guy like that playing for the Griz.
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There is no higher level than EWU. Before you start with the smart alek comments, as far as the NCAA is concerned EWU is on the same level as Oklahoma, Texas, and UCLA. If Stuckey could qualify to be admitted at EWU than he could have been admitted to most of the Elite D-1 schools. Now that said it is possible that Stucky may have had problems getting admitted to Stanford, or duke because of grades and there particular enrolment guide lines,

My understanding of Stuckey's, is that he was widely recruited by mid and low majors, but most schools backed out when it was clear that we would only be a partial qualifier out of high school. EWU though ws there from the beginning, and to the end, and when Stuckey had his problems EWU told him they did not care and would still honor their offer. Stucky appreciated their attention, had a good relationship with the coaches and decided to sign with them. I guarantee you that if nations elite programs knew Stucky was going to be the player he turned out to be they all would have offered him. Just for clarity, back then a partial qualifier as it was known then meant that he met some of the NCAA D=1 qualifications but not all of them, If you signed a partial Qualifier he had to sit out his freshman year, and then meet certain requirements to become eligible for your sophomore year. If a student further met higher requirements he could actually get his freshman year back and you would lose a redshirt possibility. This is what happened to Stucky.
 
Yeah, it looks like he did sit out a year, but he played two years in the BSC. I'm not being snide in my comments, just saying in his two years with EWU, their team still wasn't all that good. That was the only reason I was surprised when I heard he declared for the draft. But, it goes to show his game was designed for the NBA from the get go.

http://goeags.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/stuckey_rodney00.html
 
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