Recruiting QBs

[HelenaHandBasket]

I think the issue is not recruitment, but development. We have recruited some fantastic high school quiarterbacks from Montana. The issue is, Rosie can't develop a qb. Just because he played, doesn't mean he can develop. I think Graves and Rostad both would have been great qbs for us given some decent coaching. I can't think of one qb that Rosie has developed. Sneed came ready made, Johnson came ready made. Even Humphry was as about as good when he left as he was when he started. How about we start with a qb coach.

I don't think Graves or Rostad would have been great QBs, but that said, I am not sure they wouldn't be more productive than KB.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Well, a QB getting move shouldn't be all that surprising because in most cases they are probably the best athletes on their high school team.

I believe the last non-Montana QB to be moved was Hill or Simis. EVERY Montana QB recruited is moved (except Brown, and for the time being Huot).

These guys are just all about plugging in a kid that seems like a prototype QB. They can't develop them either. They just don't give the kid that doesn't look like a QB a chance. I was at the game when our backup QB Dave Dickenson came in the game in Autzen stadium with the griz down 21 points. He came one throw away from leading the griz to s comeback victory against the ducks that day. But today he doesn't have the QB measurable to get him in the game under these current clowns and would have probably never seen the field.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

These guys are just all about plugging in a kid that seems like a prototype QB. They can't develop them either. They just don't give the kid that doesn't look like a QB a chance. I was at the game when our backup QB Dave Dickenson came in the game in Autzen stadium with the griz down 21 points. He came one throw away from leading the griz to s comeback victory against the ducks that day. But today he doesn't have the QB measurable to get him in the game under these current clowns and would have probably never seen the field.

Serious question, but are you suggesting the the only reason that Britt isn't playing is because he is 5-11 and not 6-4? I am also curious as to any other kid that was screwed by this staff because they lacked "prototypical" QB measurables.

 

[indian-outlaw]

These guys are just all about plugging in a kid that seems like a prototype QB. They can't develop them either. They just don't give the kid that doesn't look like a QB a chance. I was at the game when our backup QB Dave Dickenson came in the game in Autzen stadium with the griz down 21 points. He came one throw away from leading the griz to s comeback victory against the ducks that day. But today he doesn't have the QB measurable to get him in the game under these current clowns and would have probably never seen the field.

Serious question, but are you suggesting the the only reason that Britt isn't playing is because he is 5-11 and not 6-4? I am also curious as to any other kid that was screwed by this staff because they lacked "prototypical" QB measurables.

I am saying that those measurables work against them, without a doubt.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Serious question, but are you suggesting the the only reason that Britt isn't playing is because he is 5-11 and not 6-4? I am also curious as to any other kid that was screwed by this staff because they lacked "prototypical" QB measurables.

I am saying that those measurables work against them, without a doubt.

Work against whom specifically?

 

[indian-outlaw]

I am saying that those measurables work against them, without a doubt.

Work against whom specifically?

Britt currently.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Work against whom specifically?

Britt currently.

So your entire argument, that the staff will only play a QB with prototypical measurements, is based on Britt not playing? And apparently, the only reason Britt isn't playing is because he is 5-11.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Sac State got another good one out of Centennial in Corona, CA. IDK anything about him, but he had several good FBS offers (Kansas, Cincy, etc.)

https://247sports.com/Player/Carson-Conklin-46079926/TimelineEvents/

His stats on MaxPreps look like he must be the backup or maybe just doesn't pass that much?
EDIT: Backup to Izzy Carter, ASU commit.

 

[CoachOfReason]

A simple concept is use a players strengths to your offense, but in this conference you must bend and be flexible to what you have to work with. A good coach can figure this out, but a great coach will elevate the players abilities and talent. If I told you to call up the former Qb's and ask if they would come back to coach with this OC. They would hang up the phone. Enough Said....

 

[indian-outlaw]

Britt currently.

So your entire argument, that the staff will only play a QB with prototypical measurements, is based on Britt not playing? And apparently, the only reason Britt isn't playing is because he is 5-11.

Uh no, I merely said it very much works against him. Is that hard for you to understand? Should I say it slow next time?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So your entire argument, that the staff will only play a QB with prototypical measurements, is based on Britt not playing? And apparently, the only reason Britt isn't playing is because he is 5-11.

Uh no, I merely said it very much works against him. Is that hard for you to understand? Should I say it slow next time?

So you ASSUME it works against him. I don't believe your opinion is correct, mainly because why would you recruit a kid that doesn't meet the basic requirements of what you are looking for?

 

[indian-outlaw]

Uh no, I merely said it very much works against him. Is that hard for you to understand? Should I say it slow next time?

So you ASSUME it works against him. I don't believe your opinion is correct, mainly because why would you recruit a kid that doesn't meet the basic requirements of what you are looking for?

Ok, you're probably right but how many times do we recruit qb's that get moved to other positions without even the slightest attempt to develop them. My original point was that when our offense was doing terrible in Oregon we brought in a very young backup who happened to turn out to be arguably our best QB ever. He was a walkon despite his incredible HS numbers. If he would have been 6'2" and 200lbs and fast he would have certainly been a scholarship player. There is more to playing QB than having height and the ability to throw a tight spiral that gets overlooked.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So you ASSUME it works against him. I don't believe your opinion is correct, mainly because why would you recruit a kid that doesn't meet the basic requirements of what you are looking for?

Ok, you're probably right but how many times do we recruit qb's that get moved to other positions without even the slightest attempt to develop them. My original point was that when our offense was doing terrible in Oregon we brought in a very young backup who happened to turn out to be arguably our best QB ever. He was a walkon despite his incredible HS numbers. If he would have been 6'2" and 200lbs and fast he would have certainly been a scholarship player. There is more to playing QB than having height and the ability to throw a tight spiral that gets overlooked.

First, they recruit the best high school athletes that happen to be a QB in high school. That doesn't mean they translate to QB at the college level.

Second, maybe the process of recruiting non prototypical high school QB's isn't fair, but UM is far from the only school that sees it that way. I will also add that they did recruit Britt, so they must have seen something in the kid. I would assume that the reason they didn't play him had little to do with being 5-11 and more to do with something else.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Ok, you're probably right but how many times do we recruit qb's that get moved to other positions without even the slightest attempt to develop them. My original point was that when our offense was doing terrible in Oregon we brought in a very young backup who happened to turn out to be arguably our best QB ever. He was a walkon despite his incredible HS numbers. If he would have been 6'2" and 200lbs and fast he would have certainly been a scholarship player. There is more to playing QB than having height and the ability to throw a tight spiral that gets overlooked.

First, they recruit the best high school athletes that happen to be a QB in high school. That doesn't mean they translate to QB at the college level.

Second, maybe the process of recruiting non prototypical high school QB's isn't fair, but UM is far from the only school that sees it that way. I will also add that they did recruit Britt, so they must have seen something in the kid. I would assume that the reason they didn't play him had little to do with being 5-11 and more to do with something else.

We're back to my original point. I don't think these guys can recognize whether s 17 yo QB athlete will develop into a div I QB. And IMHO it usually boils down to the measurables that really mean nothing

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

First, they recruit the best high school athletes that happen to be a QB in high school. That doesn't mean they translate to QB at the college level.

Second, maybe the process of recruiting non prototypical high school QB's isn't fair, but UM is far from the only school that sees it that way. I will also add that they did recruit Britt, so they must have seen something in the kid. I would assume that the reason they didn't play him had little to do with being 5-11 and more to do with something else.

We're back to my original point. I don't think these guys can recognize whether s 17 yo QB athlete will develop into a div I QB. And IMHO it usually boils down to the measurables that really mean nothing

So now you don't think Britt can be a D1 QB?

 

[uofmman1122]

First, they recruit the best high school athletes that happen to be a QB in high school. That doesn't mean they translate to QB at the college level.

Second, maybe the process of recruiting non prototypical high school QB's isn't fair, but UM is far from the only school that sees it that way. I will also add that they did recruit Britt, so they must have seen something in the kid. I would assume that the reason they didn't play him had little to do with being 5-11 and more to do with something else.

We're back to my original point. I don't think these guys can recognize whether s 17 yo QB athlete will develop into a div I QB. And IMHO it usually boils down to the measurables that really mean nothing

Which HS QB on our roster that they switched away from QB do you think should be the QB now?

I just fail to see how Brown not being a good D1 QB means any of the other Montana HS QBs we recruited would have automatically been better.

 

[vegas griz]

We have an offer out to Keali Ah Yat who looks great on tape, but his team has not won a game this year. I wonder if that is a sound offer. I saw Daniel Britt here in Las Vegas and he was most impressive. I trust the judgment of the coaches, but after watching the last two games I can not understand why he has not seen the field

 

[mthoopsfan]

We're back to my original point. I don't think these guys can recognize whether s 17 yo QB athlete will develop into a div I QB. And IMHO it usually boils down to the measurables that really mean nothing

Which HS QB on our roster that they switched away from QB do you think should be the QB now?

I just fail to see how Brown not being a good D1 QB means any of the other Montana HS QBs we recruited would have automatically been better.

I know you didn't ask me, but I want to respond. I don't know of any switched qb who should be the qb now, I just want to bitch, complain and whine. And next year, when Brown is switched to receiver, I am going to complain about that too.

 

[indian-outlaw]

We're back to my original point. I don't think these guys can recognize whether s 17 yo QB athlete will develop into a div I QB. And IMHO it usually boils down to the measurables that really mean nothing

So now you don't think Britt can be a D1 QB?

What? How the eff did you arrive at that conclusion? Are you a failed philosophy major or something?
I am just trying to say that sometime you need to put a player in the game to see how he responds. My point being that it is not always the first on the depth chart. Again I witnessed this first hand. Not saying Britt is Dickenson but when Dickenson got his first playing time he came into the game as a backup to the upper class starter that was clearly overwhelmed in a PAC 10 environment. The griz were down 21 points and almost won the game Dickenson was throwing into the endzone to win the game against the Oregon ducks. Nobody expected him to be that good. Sometimes you have to give another player a chance if things are not working. Sorry if that is difficult for you to understand. It's just my opinion.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So now you don't think Britt can be a D1 QB?

What? How the eff did you arrive at that conclusion? Are you a failed philosophy major or something?
I am just trying to say that sometime you need to put a player in the game to see how he responds. My point being that it is not always the first on the depth chart. Again I witnessed this first hand. Not saying Britt is Dickenson but when Dickenson got his first playing time he came into the game as a backup to the upper class starter that was clearly overwhelmed in a PAC 10 environment. The griz were down 21 points and almost won the game Dickenson was throwing into the endzone to win the game against the Oregon ducks. Nobody expected him to be that good. Sometimes you have to give another player a chance if things are not working. Sorry if that is difficult for you to understand. It's just my opinion.

So, you put in an untested frosh in the middle of a critical game against a top 5 team, when the Griz are in a tight game? You really think that's the time to experiment?