Really happy the Griz did not get the Thomas's

[grizpack]

At least Deadspin is having some fun with it.

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[Grizbeer]

The only problem I have about this whole thing is that this guy sells some brownies and everyone freaks out and thinks he shouldn't play anymore, with Nate Montana people didn't even really seem to care that much. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying Nate shouldn't be able to play or anything....It's really quite ridiculous and hypocritical.

Something to consider - it is not illegal to drink alcohol and drive a car. I know it seems like it is, but it isn't. It is illegal to operate a vehicle while impaired (alcohol or drugs). The state decided that .08 bac is intoxicated. The state can also contend that the driver was intoxicated by other evidence, such as erratic driving. However simply smelling alcohol by itself is not proof the driver was impaired, nor is speeding. The field sobriety tests can be used as evidence, but alone are not proof either. In other words, even if Mr. Montana was drinking and then drove, it doesn't necessarily mean he was intoxicated enough to be legally impaired. Therefore the DA will look at the evidence the police gathered, decided if there is enough evidence to prosecute, and if so a judge or jury will decide, or Mr. Montana and the DA will come to an agreement about what is provable and fair in this case. That is why we have a justice system, and why the U will hold back and let the justice system run its course. It doesn't mean Mr. Montana will not face some punishment from the team regardless of the final outcome of the case.

In the other case the individual was arrested for making a selling illegal drugs which is a felony, to which he has apparently admitted to, even admitting he accidentally used too much drugs, which apparently caused a dangerous reaction is several of his "customers" all of which were teens. After he admitted to the felony, before a trial or plea arrangement, but not immediately upon being charged and presumably after researching the facts in the case, Coach Ash dismissed him from the team.

Regardless of your opinion of marijuana vs alcohol, andwhich you think should be illegal and what the penalties should be, I hope you would be able to judge the cases by facts and laws as they exist.

 

[PlayerRep]

The only problem I have about this whole thing is that this guy sells some brownies and everyone freaks out and thinks he shouldn't play anymore, with Nate Montana people didn't even really seem to care that much. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying Nate shouldn't be able to play or anything....It's really quite ridiculous and hypocritical.

Exactly. Pretty much night and day discipline between FLU and ASH. Thomas booted from Cats w/o even waiting for his day in court. That will carry over to each others team. There was a reason the Griz teams were so sloppy and undisciplined last year.

Nope, it's the difference between being charged with two felonies for distribution of drugs (and having admitted the facts) and being arrested for a DUI (and having pled not guility) while driving something like 35 in a 25. Huge difference.

Athletes at most colleges don't survive long after being charged with a felony (or 2). Athletes at most colleges rarely are dismissed from teams only for being charged with a DUI.

You two can say all the stupid and incorrect things you want, but at the end of the day, the only thing that will have changed will be that more posters will think you are stupid.

 

[reed rothchild]

Exactly. Pretty much night and day discipline between FLU and ASH. Thomas booted from Cats w/o even waiting for his day in court. That will carry over to each others team. There was a reason the Griz teams were so sloppy and undisciplined last year.

Easy there, Glasshouse. It's pretty hard to see any D1 football coach keeping an admitted drug dealer on the team, particularly one who blew his second chance after nine months.

Coach Phlugrad has not yet had a player or recruit accused of a felony, so it's difficult to compare his disciplinary philosophy to Ash. What we do know from the Ash tenure is this: if you get drunk and break into a stranger's home, you are welcome to play bobcat football.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Exactly. Pretty much night and day discipline between FLU and ASH. Thomas booted from Cats w/o even waiting for his day in court. That will carry over to each others team. There was a reason the Griz teams were so sloppy and undisciplined last year.

Easy there, Glasshouse. It's pretty hard to see any D1 football coach keeping an admitted drug dealer on the team, particularly one who blew his second chance after nine months.

Coach Phlugrad has not yet had a player or recruit accused of a felony, so it's difficult to compare his disciplinary philosophy to Ash. What we do know from the Ash tenure is this: if you get drunk and break into a stranger's home, you are welcome to play bobcat football.

"August 23: Corvallis police find Tyler Thomas naked in a strange woman's home. He gets into a three-point stance and lunges at cops, who tase him. Tyler is kicked out of Oregon State and would later transfer to Montana State."

Lol. This is still the best story of player misconduct I remember. Just the visual is hilarious. Using football skills to attempt to evade officers in the nude...

 

[grizrgood]

The only problem I have about this whole thing is that this guy sells some brownies and everyone freaks out and thinks he shouldn't play anymore, with Nate Montana people didn't even really seem to care that much. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying Nate shouldn't be able to play or anything....It's really quite ridiculous and hypocritical.

I understand what you are saying but come on man, the biggest problem is that this kid signed a code of conduct when he committed to play college football which among other things, clearly states that that you can't use illegal drugs. Like it or not at least 70% (not sure of the percentage, just a guess)of the population doesn't smoke or approve of weed! He may have pissed away at least a descent financial future because he couldn't obey the laws of the land and behave long enough to get through school and get his degree!

Alcohol is legal but the other kid made an extremely poor decision as well! He chose to drive his vehicle after drinking too much and got caught, he clearly screwed up!! Not sure about you but I've made the same mistake a time or two in my life and I believe most most of us have. Was it wrong and dangerous?..... Absolutely!! Does it mean we were purposely trying to break the law and endanger someones life? ......Probably not! The other kid got caught selling an illegal drug for profit, he's a drug dealer! You may think weed should be legal but it's just NOT!

 

[GrizLA]

Some crazy stuff on this thread...face it, two wrongs do not make one right... drugs or booze...both subject to abuse, and, in the cases being debated here, there are penalties to pay...glad I got away with all that when I was younger...now? I don't really care if the kid gets caught and punished as long as he gets help...for MSU fans to point fingers at UM and vice versa is simply stupid..both should be pointing fingers themselves for downplaying and making light of potential catastrophe..Can' wait for foot ball to start..and, hope UM can eventually renew the only rivalry UM really had...Idaho....

 

[HorribilisFanatic]

If MSU would focus on recruiting out of state kids then things like this would never happen.

 

[hlnagriz]

It doesn't matter if the player was drinking, or selling pot laced brownies, especially if you believe in the harm factor (Drunk driving is way, way, way, more dangerous than eating or selling pot brownies.). Both should be punished accordingly, but I think in think in this case it has more to do with the Thomas history.

 

[hlnagriz]

The only problem I have about this whole thing is that this guy sells some brownies and everyone freaks out and thinks he shouldn't play anymore, with Nate Montana people didn't even really seem to care that much. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying Nate shouldn't be able to play or anything....It's really quite ridiculous and hypocritical.

I understand what you are saying but come on man, the biggest problem is that this kid signed a code of conduct when he committed to play college football which among other things, clearly states that that you can't use illegal drugs. Like it or not at least 70% (not sure of the percentage, just a guess)of the population doesn't smoke or approve of weed! He may have pissed away at least a descent financial future because he couldn't obey the laws of the land and behave long enough to get through school and get his degree!

Alcohol is legal but the other kid made an extremely poor decision as well! He chose to drive his vehicle after drinking too much and got caught, he clearly screwed up!! Not sure about you but I've made the same mistake a time or two in my life and I believe most most of us have. Was it wrong and dangerous?..... Absolutely!! Does it mean we were purposely trying to break the law and endanger someones life? ......Probably not! The other kid got caught selling an illegal drug for profit, he's a drug dealer! You may think weed should be legal but it's just NOT!

Drunk driving is just as illegal, if not more illegal than selling a little pot. I am a Griz fan, but selling pot brownies doesn't put other peoples lives at risk like drunk driving does. Drunk driving, even though as Montanan's we have perhaps done before, is incredibly irresponsible and dangerous. Look at those teenage girls that got killed between Missoula and East Missoula, they were what, 15? I am sorry, but selling some pot compared to actively participating in an activity that can harm so many is not even comparable.

 

[PlayerRep]

The only problem I have about this whole thing is that this guy sells some brownies and everyone freaks out and thinks he shouldn't play anymore, with Nate Montana people didn't even really seem to care that much. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying Nate shouldn't be able to play or anything....It's really quite ridiculous and hypocritical.

I understand what you are saying but come on man, the biggest problem is that this kid signed a code of conduct when he committed to play college football which among other things, clearly states that that you can't use illegal drugs. Like it or not at least 70% (not sure of the percentage, just a guess)of the population doesn't smoke or approve of weed! He may have pissed away at least a descent financial future because he couldn't obey the laws of the land and behave long enough to get through school and get his degree!

Alcohol is legal but the other kid made an extremely poor decision as well! He chose to drive his vehicle after drinking too much and got caught, he clearly screwed up!! Not sure about you but I've made the same mistake a time or two in my life and I believe most most of us have. Was it wrong and dangerous?..... Absolutely!! Does it mean we were purposely trying to break the law and endanger someones life? ......Probably not! The other kid got caught selling an illegal drug for profit, he's a drug dealer! You may think weed should be legal but it's just NOT!

Drunk driving is just as illegal, if not more illegal than selling a little pot. I am a Griz fan, but selling pot brownies doesn't put other peoples lives at risk like drunk driving does. Drunk driving, even though as Montanan's we have perhaps done before, is incredibly irresponsible and dangerous. Look at those teenage girls that got killed between Missoula and East Missoula, they were what, 15? I am sorry, but selling some pot compared to actively participating in an activity that can harm so many is not even comparable.

Nope, under US laws, distributing drugs is (or can be charged as) a felony, and being stopped for suspicion of a DUI (and nothing else) is a misdemeanor. Conviction of or pleading to felonies results in prison sentences, with some of the sentence sometimes being suspended or served concurrently. Conviction or resolution of a DUI usually results in payment of a fine and some classes. Huge difference. It's really quite amusing to see some of you try to equate a felony with a a minor misdemeanor.

 

[PlayerRep]

It doesn't matter if the player was drinking, or selling pot laced brownies, especially if you believe in the harm factor (Drunk driving is way, way, way, more dangerous than eating or selling pot brownies.). Both should be punished accordingly, but I think in think in this case it has more to do with the Thomas history.

Federal and state laws, and the Congress and legislatures, believe that distributing drugs is much more harmful than driving after a several drinks.

 

[jcu27]

Yeah, but the goverment is also fucking stupid. Clearly you are too.

 

[MooUBaby]

Exactly. Pretty much night and day discipline between FLU and ASH. Thomas booted from Cats w/o even waiting for his day in court. That will carry over to each others team. There was a reason the Griz teams were so sloppy and undisciplined last year.

Easy there, Glasshouse. It's pretty hard to see any D1 football coach keeping an admitted drug dealer on the team, particularly one who blew his second chance after nine months.

Coach Phlugrad has not yet had a player or recruit accused of a felony, so it's difficult to compare his disciplinary philosophy to Ash. What we do know from the Ash tenure is this: if you get drunk and break into a stranger's home, you are welcome to play bobcat football.

What are you dense in the head? Do yo not remember Jimmy Wilson or did you accidently forget about that. Pretty sure killing a guy and fleeing the state is a felony. Phlugrad has certainly dealt with the same things Ash has. So yeah you can compare his disciplinary philosophies or lack there of, it goes both ways bud.

 

[hlnagriz]

The only problem I have about this whole thing is that this guy sells some brownies and everyone freaks out and thinks he shouldn't play anymore, with Nate Montana people didn't even really seem to care that much. I haven't seen or heard anyone saying Nate shouldn't be able to play or anything....It's really quite ridiculous and hypocritical.

I understand what you are saying but come on man, the biggest problem is that this kid signed a code of conduct when he committed to play college football which among other things, clearly states that that you can't use illegal drugs. Like it or not at least 70% (not sure of the percentage, just a guess)of the population doesn't smoke or approve of weed! He may have pissed away at least a descent financial future because he couldn't obey the laws of the land and behave long enough to get through school and get his degree!

Alcohol is legal but the other kid made an extremely poor decision as well! He chose to drive his vehicle after drinking too much and got caught, he clearly screwed up!! Not sure about you but I've made the same mistake a time or two in my life and I believe most most of us have. Was it wrong and dangerous?..... Absolutely!! Does it mean we were purposely trying to break the law and endanger someones life? ......Probably not! The other kid got caught selling an illegal drug for profit, he's a drug dealer! You may think weed should be legal but it's just NOT!

Drunk driving is just as illegal, if not more illegal than selling a little pot. I am a Griz fan, but selling pot brownies doesn't put other peoples lives at risk like drunk driving does. Drunk driving, even though as Montanan's we have perhaps done before, is incredibly irresponsible and dangerous. Look at those teenage girls that got killed between Missoula and East Missoula, they were what, 15? I am sorry, but selling some pot compared to actively participating in an activity that can harm so many is not even comparable.

Nope, under US laws, distributing drugs is (or can be charged as) a felony, and being stopped for suspicion of a DUI (and nothing else) is a misdemeanor. Conviction of or pleading to felonies results in prison sentences, with some of the sentence sometimes being suspended or served concurrently. Conviction or resolution of a DUI usually results in payment of a fine and some classes. Huge difference. It's really quite amusing to see some of you try to equate a felony with a a minor misdemeanor.

Sale of Marijuana on "can" be charged as a felony, and rarely is. What he will be charged with is possession of under 60 grams (which is a misdemeanor) And if you really think that selling marijuana is more harmful and dangerous than drinking and driving, which had in 2007 alone 123 deaths, most of which were people that had nothing to do with drunk driving, they just got killed by a drunk driver. You are an idiot, this isn't a MSU vs. UM thing, drunk driving is deplorable, kills innocent people, and is easy to avoid. The only people selling pot would conceivably harm are people who entered into it willingly. Just because Nate Montana didn't hurt anyone doesn't mean the potential for incredible damage was there. Drunk driving is stupid and irresponsible, selling weed is just a bad idea.

 

[jcu27]

:thumb:

 

[reed rothchild]

What are you dense in the head? Do yo not remember Jimmy Wilson or did you accidently forget about that. Pretty sure killing a guy and fleeing the state is a felony. Phlugrad has certainly dealt with the same things Ash has. So yeah you can compare his disciplinary philosophies or lack there of, it goes both ways bud.

Jimmy Wilson? You mean the kid acquitted of all charges in July of 2009, six months before Phlugrad became Griz coach? The scared kid who used a gun to defend his family and lost three years of his life because of a racist prosecutor?

Yeah, he's not a felon.

 

[reed rothchild]

Sale of Marijuana on "can" be charged as a felony, and rarely is. What he will be charged with is possession of under 60 grams (which is a misdemeanor) And if you really think that selling marijuana is more harmful and dangerous than drinking and driving, which had in 2007 alone 123 deaths, most of which were people that had nothing to do with drunk driving, they just got killed by a drunk driver. You are an idiot, this isn't a MSU vs. UM thing, drunk driving is deplorable, kills innocent people, and is easy to avoid. The only people selling pot would conceivably harm are people who entered into it willingly. Just because Nate Montana didn't hurt anyone doesn't mean the potential for incredible damage was there. Drunk driving is stupid and irresponsible, selling weed is just a bad idea.

Sorry, Stoney. It's not as simple as you make it out to be. And you are right, it is not a UM vs. MSU thing. If you recall, the most notable Griz felons committed that home invasion and assaults over your favorite herb. Remember?


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MEXICO 2010 DRUG MURDERS HIT 15,000

Mexico

Four police officers and a doctor have been killed in Mexico in what appears to be another coordinated attack by gunmen linked to drug cartels.

Such killings in the northern city of Monterrey are becoming almost a daily occurrence and arguably less shocking.

What is shocking, is that as 2010 draws to a close nearly 15,000 people are estimated to have been murdered in drugs related violence in Mexico this year alone – a record which dwarfs even the number killed in Afghanistan – a country officially at war.

Such statistics have inevitably led to increasing questions about the Mexican government’s policy towards the country’s cartels.

In 2006, President Felipe Calderon declared war on Mexico’s drug barons. But year on year the violence has increased. Many will hope 2011 will be different, but for the moment that’s all it is, hope.

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[yellowstone60]

good move coach.....
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BOZEMAN - Kalispell Flathead's Connor Thomas of Kalispell, who signed a National Letter-of-Intent to play football at Montana State in the spring, was dismissed from the program by MSU head football coach Rob Ash on Monday.
Thomas is facing felony drug charges stemming from a graduation party.
MSU officials will have no further comment on the decision.
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[Bear Axed]

What should a D1 coach do with a High School Recruit that Gets caught stealing beer from a Convenience store, plays in the 1st games of the season less his scholarship gets a DUI and then flunks out after one year of college.

Coach Ash and the kittens chant................





Bring him back, bring him back, his brother was all conference!