Really happy the Griz did not get the Thomas's

[PlayerRep]

Are you saying Thomas he is going to get acquitted or have charges dropped--even tho the article says he admitted this to the police?

I guess that will depend on how good of a lawyer his mom hires....

If he admitted this to the police (and his miranda rights were given to him and there was not other investigation conduct--and I can't imagine there was any misconduct), and several of the people he sold the brownies to have told the police they bought it from him (which the article says they did), no lawyer on earth can get him out of at least some charges related to this. The chance of a jury not convicting him would be incredibly slim. What would his lawyer argue? The article said they would have to decide whether to charge as an adult or child. Can't imagine they would charge as a child.

However, I agree that if this is his only issue, and he is a good kid (is he?), he can probably recover from this over time--in terms of football. This might also be dependent on how much the good lawyer can get the charges reduced. I think I saw that no charges had yet been filed. Probably already a good lawyer in the mix.

 

[OldtiredGRiz]

Are you saying Thomas he is going to get acquitted or have charges dropped--even tho the article says he admitted this to the police?

I guess that will depend on how good of a lawyer his mom hires....

If he admitted this to the police (and his miranda rights were given to him and there was not other investigation conduct--and I can't imagine there was any misconduct), and several of the people he sold the brownies to have told the police they bought it from him (which the article says they did), no lawyer on earth can get him out of at least some charges related to this. The chance of a jury not convicting him would be incredibly slim. What would his lawyer argue? The article said they would have to decide whether to charge as an adult or child. Can't imagine they would charge as a child.

However, I agree that if this is his only issue, and he is a good kid (is he?), he can probably recover from this over time--in terms of football. This might also be dependent on how much the good lawyer can get the charges reduced. I think I saw that no charges had yet been filed. Probably already a good lawyer in the mix.

I believe the article stated that the District Attorney filed two counts of felony distribution of dangerous drugs, but that an arrest has not made. I don't hold myself out as a legal expert, but I am an attorney and spent 5 years in criminal defense work some 20 years ago. The big flag that I see is what proof do they have that the substance was in fact marijuana or any other dangerous drug? There is no physical evidence, nothing to test in a crime lab. No blood or other samples were taken from any of the kids, they were sent home with their parents..they have admissions, yes, but only the word of Thomas and the others that it was in fact marijuana. That opens the door to the argument that someone gave or sold a substance to Thomas that was not marijuana, but some other noxious substance that made those who ingested it ill. In short, there is no medical certainty that the substance was marijuana. Is that enough to get an acquittal, I seriously doubt it, but it does open the door for plea negotiations or reduction of charges. Absolutely, Thomas should get himself good legal representation, but his larger decisions should be focused on what he is going to do with the rest of his life.

 

[getgrizzy]

Are you saying Thomas he is going to get acquitted or have charges dropped--even tho the article says he admitted this to the police?

I guess that will depend on how good of a lawyer his mom hires....

If he admitted this to the police (and his miranda rights were given to him and there was not other investigation conduct--and I can't imagine there was any misconduct), and several of the people he sold the brownies to have told the police they bought it from him (which the article says they did), no lawyer on earth can get him out of at least some charges related to this. The chance of a jury not convicting him would be incredibly slim. What would his lawyer argue? The article said they would have to decide whether to charge as an adult or child. Can't imagine they would charge as a child.

However, I agree that if this is his only issue, and he is a good kid (is he?), he can probably recover from this over time--in terms of football. This might also be dependent on how much the good lawyer can get the charges reduced. I think I saw that no charges had yet been filed. Probably already a good lawyer in the mix.

are you saying that since he's a cat he must be guilty? or are saying that you don't have the inside info on him since he's a cat? ahh, i see in your second paragraph you can't fully slip out of character. :lol:

 

[getgrizzy]

I believe the article stated that the District Attorney filed two counts of felony distribution of dangerous drugs, but that an arrest has not made. I don't hold myself out as a legal expert, but I am an attorney and spent 5 years in criminal defense work some 20 years ago. The big flag that I see is what proof do they have that the substance was in fact marijuana or any other dangerous drug? There is no physical evidence, nothing to test in a crime lab. No blood or other samples were taken from any of the kids, they were sent home with their parents..they have admissions, yes, but only the word of Thomas and the others that it was in fact marijuana. That opens the door to the argument that someone gave or sold a substance to Thomas that was not marijuana, but some other noxious substance that made those who ingested it ill. In short, there is no medical certainty that the substance was marijuana. Is that enough to get an acquittal, I seriously doubt it, but it does open the door for plea negotiations or reduction of charges. Absolutely, Thomas should get himself good legal representation, but his larger decisions should be focused on what he is going to do with the rest of his life.

you must've missed the part that said they confiscated the remaining brownies and sent them for testing. so much for that.

 

[OldtiredGRiz]

I believe the article stated that the District Attorney filed two counts of felony distribution of dangerous drugs, but that an arrest has not made. I don't hold myself out as a legal expert, but I am an attorney and spent 5 years in criminal defense work some 20 years ago. The big flag that I see is what proof do they have that the substance was in fact marijuana or any other dangerous drug? There is no physical evidence, nothing to test in a crime lab. No blood or other samples were taken from any of the kids, they were sent home with their parents..they have admissions, yes, but only the word of Thomas and the others that it was in fact marijuana. That opens the door to the argument that someone gave or sold a substance to Thomas that was not marijuana, but some other noxious substance that made those who ingested it ill. In short, there is no medical certainty that the substance was marijuana. Is that enough to get an acquittal, I seriously doubt it, but it does open the door for plea negotiations or reduction of charges. Absolutely, Thomas should get himself good legal representation, but his larger decisions should be focused on what he is going to do with the rest of his life.

you must've missed the part that said they confiscated the remaining brownies and sent them for testing. so much for that.

I didn't see that in the article. Yes, if they did confiscate brownies, that argument is worthless.

 

[Bear Axed]

Coach Ash has done a good job with the team and the recruits he has broguht in. When something happens he does the appropriate thing. I doubt this kid will ever see the field at MSU. Ash didn't get to be the 19th winningest coach all time at all levels by not doing the right thing.

"I think you have to keep in mind that Ogden and Bignell didn’t get cut and that was right after the big blowup over Kramer’s ex-players. Daly didn’t get cut after two run-ins and quitting school and Gazzerro was allowed to play after being suspended for an assault charge" :lol:

 

[getgrizzy]

Coach Ash has done a good job with the team and the recruits he has broguht in. When something happens he does the appropriate thing. I doubt this kid will ever see the field at MSU. Ash didn't get to be the 19th winningest coach all time at all levels by not doing the right thing.

"I think you have to keep in mind that Ogden and Bignell didn’t get cut and that was right after the big blowup over Kramer’s ex-players. Daly didn’t get cut after two run-ins and quitting school and Gazzerro was allowed to play after being suspended for an assault charge" :lol:

ogden and bignell both had their scholarships cut in half their first year. daly had his entire scholarship pulled. gazzerro had his scholarship cut in half and was suspended.

 

[getgrizzy]

you must've missed the part that said they confiscated the remaining brownies and sent them for testing. so much for that.

I didn't see that in the article. Yes, if they did confiscate brownies, that argument is worthless.

it was in the first article. http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_5556bb0e-90b8-11e0-9bd9-001cc4c03286.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The 17-year-old charged with distributing the brownies admitted to the crime, Parce said. One brownie was found in a vehicle and was taken as evidence, he said.

 

[Bear Axed]

Coach Ash has done a good job with the team and the recruits he has broguht in. When something happens he does the appropriate thing. I doubt this kid will ever see the field at MSU. Ash didn't get to be the 19th winningest coach all time at all levels by not doing the right thing.

"I think you have to keep in mind that Ogden and Bignell didn’t get cut and that was right after the big blowup over Kramer’s ex-players. Daly didn’t get cut after two run-ins and quitting school and Gazzerro was allowed to play after being suspended for an assault charge" :lol:

ogden and bignell both had their scholarships cut in half their first year. daly had his entire scholarship pulled. gazzerro had his scholarship cut in half and was suspended.

All those great examples Ash has set, sure are paying off now! :roll:

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you saying Thomas he is going to get acquitted or have charges dropped--even tho the article says he admitted this to the police?

I guess that will depend on how good of a lawyer his mom hires....

If he admitted this to the police (and his miranda rights were given to him and there was not other investigation conduct--and I can't imagine there was any misconduct), and several of the people he sold the brownies to have told the police they bought it from him (which the article says they did), no lawyer on earth can get him out of at least some charges related to this. The chance of a jury not convicting him would be incredibly slim. What would his lawyer argue? The article said they would have to decide whether to charge as an adult or child. Can't imagine they would charge as a child.

However, I agree that if this is his only issue, and he is a good kid (is he?), he can probably recover from this over time--in terms of football. This might also be dependent on how much the good lawyer can get the charges reduced. I think I saw that no charges had yet been filed. Probably already a good lawyer in the mix.

I believe the article stated that the District Attorney filed two counts of felony distribution of dangerous drugs, but that an arrest has not made. I don't hold myself out as a legal expert, but I am an attorney and spent 5 years in criminal defense work some 20 years ago. The big flag that I see is what proof do they have that the substance was in fact marijuana or any other dangerous drug? There is no physical evidence, nothing to test in a crime lab. No blood or other samples were taken from any of the kids, they were sent home with their parents..they have admissions, yes, but only the word of Thomas and the others that it was in fact marijuana. That opens the door to the argument that someone gave or sold a substance to Thomas that was not marijuana, but some other noxious substance that made those who ingested it ill. In short, there is no medical certainty that the substance was marijuana. Is that enough to get an acquittal, I seriously doubt it, but it does open the door for plea negotiations or reduction of charges. Absolutely, Thomas should get himself good legal representation, but his larger decisions should be focused on what he is going to do with the rest of his life.

Thx for the correction on the charges being filed. Besides a brownie being found and tested, these are a defense lawyer's problems: he apparently admitted that he sold marijuana brownies, he said he had put too much marijuana in the brownies, and he said he wouldn't say where he got the marijuana. In order to plead down the charges, he'll have to identify who he got the marijuana from. It's not going to be easy to get 2 felonies down to misdemeanors with these facts. Why do "smart" people admit everything before they talk to a other?

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you saying Thomas he is going to get acquitted or have charges dropped--even tho the article says he admitted this to the police?

I guess that will depend on how good of a lawyer his mom hires....

If he admitted this to the police (and his miranda rights were given to him and there was not other investigation conduct--and I can't imagine there was any misconduct), and several of the people he sold the brownies to have told the police they bought it from him (which the article says they did), no lawyer on earth can get him out of at least some charges related to this. The chance of a jury not convicting him would be incredibly slim. What would his lawyer argue? The article said they would have to decide whether to charge as an adult or child. Can't imagine they would charge as a child.

However, I agree that if this is his only issue, and he is a good kid (is he?), he can probably recover from this over time--in terms of football. This might also be dependent on how much the good lawyer can get the charges reduced. I think I saw that no charges had yet been filed. Probably already a good lawyer in the mix.

are you saying that since he's a cat he must be guilty? or are saying that you don't have the inside info on him since he's a cat? ahh, i see in your second paragraph you can't fully slip out of character. :lol:

I didn't say he was guilty. I said only that no lawyer was going to be able to get these charges to go away completely. I support players, whether Griz or Cats. As for inside info, I'm sure I have much better inside Cat sources than you do. I think it's you who continues to show his colors, by being unable to read, making up stuff, and essentially being a jerk.

 

[getgrizzy]

All those great examples Ash has set, sure are paying off now! :roll:

first you said he didn't do anything, now you're saying it's not enough. :roll:

 

[grizd]

Dear Coach Ash and Coach Pflugrad,

Please institute a zero tolerance policy at both schools. In an era where tuition is rising and accountability is diminishing I am tired of seeing both schools deal with these kids. These kids keep putting themselves in these situations because they feel bullet proof. You are not doing them a favor by supporting them, you are just compounding the issue IMO. If the kid deserves a second chance let someone else give it to him.

I will hold nothing against either of you for recruiting this type of player unless you let it happen under your watch with no sanctions. Neither school needs this publicity and both teams deserve teammates they can count on. Look at OSU, USC, TN, etc., etc. Playing a sport in college is a privilege not a right.

 

[jcu27]

I bet the cops ate the brownies, I know I would of.

 

[getgrizzy]

Thx for the correction on the charges being filed. Besides a brownie being found and tested, these are a defense lawyer's problems: he apparently admitted that he sold marijuana brownies, he said he had put too much marijuana in the brownies, and he said he wouldn't say where he got the marijuana. In order to plead down the charges, he'll have to identify who he got the marijuana from. It's not going to be easy to get 2 felonies down to misdemeanors with these facts. Why do "smart" people admit everything before they talk to a other?

i don't think he admitted to selling them. just that he made them too strong. don't you think that he talked to the other users and essentially made these for them?

 

[getgrizzy]

I didn't say he was guilty. I said only that no lawyer was going to be able to get these charges to go away completely. I support players, whether Griz or Cats. As for inside info, I'm sure I have much better inside Cat sources than you do. I think it's you who continues to show his colors, by being unable to read, making up stuff, and essentially being a jerk.

yes, you do have better inside cat (and griz) sources than i have. since i know i have none. and, yes, i am a jerk to you.

 

[bigsky33]

Bear Axed you don't make any sense about Coach Ash. He has set a good example and taken aprropriate actions. What are you talking asbout? I don't think there is a coach out there that would have hesitated at recruiting a kid like Connor. I am sure the coaches that did recruit him did it with stipulations concerning the previous run in. But, as with any high school kid stupid things sometimes happen. It's a sad case for this young man. He has blown a great opportunity. Hopefully he can get his life in order and be successful at some point some where.

 

[Bear Axed]

Bear Axed you don't make any sense ............

Sure seems like there are a ton of :msugrad: 's on kittynation, doing a lot a weed smoken' & token and trying to figure a way for the coach to justify a good enough reason for the kid to stay on the team?

I mean really, it's just a couple of little felonies and it is only weed, Right?
:rule:


http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=24425&start=120" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[ilovethecats]

Bear Axed you don't make any sense ............

Sure seems like there are a ton of :msugrad: 's on kittynation, doing a lot a weed smoken' & token and trying to figure a way for the coach to justify a good enough reason for the kid to stay on the team?

I mean really, it's just a couple of little felonies and it is only weed, Right?
:rule:


http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=24425&start=120" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

how do you gather that? when actually reading the posts over there as well as some here it seems to me that nearly every single one of them is saying that the kid is an idiot....and we don't want any part of him. think i have found 2 posters that are downplaying the incident.....

perhaps you gave us the wrong link....?

:lol:

 

[Bear Axed]

how do you gather that? when actually reading the posts over there as well as some here it seems to me that nearly every single one of them is saying that the kid is an idiot....and we don't want any part of him. think i have found 2 posters that are downplaying the incident.....

perhaps you gave us the wrong link....?

:lol:

Yes everyone seems to agree on his idiot status.

Yet at least half the other idiots on kitty nation still want him as a player (walk-on)
Yep, He'll fit right in at Ol' Moo Smoken U