Rather offensive remarks

[Grizfan-24]

I have mentioned this elsewhere, but I think it bears reposting.

1. On Saturday it was a designed element of the game plan, at least Stitt mentioned or inferred as much, and if you want to manage games on the road to prevent risk, not attacking the middle of the field makes sense. A person could complain about all the choice all they want, but I believe it was a conscious decision to avoid the middle of the field.

Why? Because midfield routes are a pain to run, they need to be precise and requires the receiver and QB to be on the same page. Way too many anticipatory windows.

2. You are going to have to handle the zone off of zone read until they make the choice to implement the bubbles or fast screens on the backside of it that they ran last year. You know those awful bubble screens that results in two yard throws that a few egrizzers despise so much? Or even those fly sweep quick passes.

The game was managed to reduce risk and it requires the offense to hit on all cylinders and it didn't on Saturday. You can eviscerate Stitt and Brady all you want, but it was a choice that was made and I believe a smart one to keep the offense in a position with a modicum of execution to prevent the game from getting out of hand. It wasn't sexy and maybe that was the point.

This issue is not limited to just the UNI game. It is also indicative to the limitations that BG has, and the steps that Stitt must take because of those limitations.

The limitations arent just Brady's. I think it is easy to assume otherwise, that Brady is somehow the greatest limitation in the world. I have been around spread passing offenses long enough to know that much of the problems in the offense warranted or not begin and end with the quarterback.

Comes down to executing what you are given and on Saturday there was enough blame to be distributed among all of the offensive personnel.

On those handful of throws over the middle, on at least two or three different occasions the receiver bent off the seam routes to the wrong side. Brady 'appeared' to have thrown behind his intended receiver, but based upon what I saw the receiver might have been in the wrong. There was a decent amount of that on Saturday, and as such I am not one who feels the need to heap this all on Brady's shoulders.

I am in total agreement about execution, or lack of execution but have quit going there because 75 doesn't think it fair to pick on the players. Good post 24. :thumb:

I am not here to pick on the players either, but rather to point out that we are piling everything on Brady and I don't think that is necessarily fair.

I like Stitt's scheme, have been a fan of it for a while now, and I think certain individuals who shall remain nameless are all wet in regards to it. That being said because I honestly don't think there is an clear answer as to how to fix the problems, because while Stitt has made a ton of schematic concessions, it is as apparent to some or any what the most ideal answer is or a recognition that he (Stitt) has made concessions or adjustments in regards to the offense. I'll say this, there likely isn't a person in griz fandom including myself, who has a better conception of what he thinks the offense is capable of and what needs to be done to get there than Bob Stitt.


For some though it is far easier to pick on Stitt, because some have been wronged in some sort of perverse way, than just understanding that the offense in week 2, might not be there yet. But I do ask a question...

If you hire a coach, lets say Mike Leach, do you say to him well we are going to run this offense at this school. First we all know that Leach wouldn't take a job where he had limitations on his ability to run his scheme. No self respecting coach would allow editorial control over his scheme. No you hire a coach to do the best of what he is capable of doing within his scheme. If you don't like Stitt's scheme, fine. I think it clouds people's judgement as it does with Brady.

Just my opinion.

 

[UMGriz75]

The limitations arent just Brady's. I think it is easy to assume otherwise, that Brady is somehow the greatest limitation in the world. I have been around spread passing offenses long enough to know that much of the problems in the offense warranted or not begin and end with the quarterback.

Paraphrase: you go with the army you've got, not the one you wish you had.

 

[UMGriz75]

Show your hands. Who really cares what 75's perspective is? I will hang up and listen.

The Troll in you needs dinner.

I am not at the point in my life that I get excited for the Early-Bird Special, but you have fun.

I doubt that you have a "point in your life ...".

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Not sure either of these statements are entirely true.

Well, then what is he entirely doing about it, and what is not entirely true????

I don't think BG is entirely what Stitt wants in a QB and I don't think he has the units he would like, for various reasons, at a few other position groups.

That is what the entire off season is for, to make these corrections, coach Stitt is not only the OC he is the Head Coach.

If BG is not the QB he wants, why is he the QB.

What other units is he uncomfortable with ?? what are the various reasons ??? and what other position groups ???

I think BG is the cerebral type player Stitt would like and that is why he is playing but not necessarily the most talented QB overall. Stitt has a comfort level with him that none of the others have acheived.

I think Stitt isn't necessarily unhappy with the receivers, but youth is a problem for the offense. I don't think the OL is the group he necessarily wants, and he has some very young players he likes, but he is trying to put the most experienced group out there since they are so young at receiver. I don't disagree that the offense is barely serviceable.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This issue is not limited to just the UNI game. It is also indicative to the limitations that BG has, and the steps that Stitt must take because of those limitations.

The limitations arent just Brady's. I think it is easy to assume otherwise, that Brady is somehow the greatest limitation in the world. I have been around spread passing offenses long enough to know that much of the problems in the offense warranted or not begin and end with the quarterback.

Comes down to executing what you are given and on Saturday there was enough blame to be distributed among all of the offensive personnel.

On those handful of throws over the middle, on at least two or three different occasions the receiver bent off the seam routes to the wrong side. Brady 'appeared' to have thrown behind his intended receiver, but based upon what I saw the receiver might have been in the wrong. There was a decent amount of that on Saturday, and as such I am not one who feels the need to heap this all on Brady's shoulders.

I am in total agreement about execution, or lack of execution but have quit going there because 75 doesn't think it fair to pick on the players. Good post 24. :thumb:

I am not here to pick on the players either, but rather to point out that we are piling everything on Brady and I don't think that is necessarily fair.

I like Stitt's scheme, have been a fan of it for a while now, and I think certain individuals who shall remain nameless are all wet in regards to it. That being said because I honestly don't think there is an clear answer as to how to fix the problems, because while Stitt has made a ton of schematic concessions, it is as apparent to some or any what the most ideal answer is or a recognition that he (Stitt) has made concessions or adjustments in regards to the offense. I'll say this, there likely isn't a person in griz fandom including myself, who has a better conception of what he thinks the offense is capable of and what needs to be done to get there than Bob Stitt.


For some though it is far easier to pick on Stitt, because some have been wronged in some sort of perverse way, than just understanding that the offense in week 2, might not be there yet. But I do ask a question...

If you hire a coach, lets say Mike Leach, do you say to him well we are going to run this offense at this school. First we all know that Leach wouldn't take a job where he had limitations on his ability to run his scheme. No self respecting coach would allow editorial control over his scheme. No you hire a coach to do the best of what he is capable of doing within his scheme. If you don't like Stitt's scheme, fine. I think it clouds people's judgement as it does with Brady.

Just my opinion.

I agree. Another great post.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Show your hands. Who really cares what 75's perspective is? I will hang up and listen.

The Troll in you needs dinner.

I am not at the point in my life that I get excited for the Early-Bird Special, but you have fun.

I doubt that you have a "point in your life ...".

As opposed to a "point to your life".

 

[UMGriz75]

The Troll in you needs dinner.

I am not at the point in my life that I get excited for the Early-Bird Special, but you have fun.

I doubt that you have a "point in your life ...".

As opposed to a "point to your life".

You do this to every thread. It's like allowing a puppy to run around before being house-broken.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

We've played two very good defenses with very good DC's that nobody seems to think need any credit. The defensive schemes and players have given our young receivers a lot to handle and digest. We will see improvement in them as the season progresses.

Last years' young DB's on NDSU were schooled by our receivers. Think they learned anything by the playoff game?

Same old haters that want to hate. They could win $200 million in Powerball and would bitch it wasn't $400 million.

 

[get'em_griz]

We've played two very good defenses with very good DC's that nobody seems to think need any credit. The defensive schemes and players have given our young receivers a lot to handle and digest. We will see improvement in them as the season progresses.

Last years' young DB's on NDSU were schooled by our receivers. Think they learned anything by the playoff game?

Same old haters that want to hate. They could win $200 million in Powerball and would bitch it wasn't $400 million.

This 100%.

 

[UMGriz75]

I like Stitt's scheme, have been a fan of it for a while now, and I think certain individuals who shall remain nameless are all wet in regards to it. That being said because I honestly don't think there is an clear answer as to how to fix the problems, because while Stitt has made a ton of schematic concessions, it is as apparent to some or any what the most ideal answer is or a recognition that he (Stitt) has made concessions or adjustments in regards to the offense.

What concessions do you think he has made? Aside from the usual, that is; that no coach ever has the perfect lineup.

With arguably lower level talent to work with at "Mines," what would Stitt have planned to do at Montana that he had not done at Mines for 15 years?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference.

Please provide a link to an article, any article, in which he referred to himself as a "genius."

 

[AllWeatherFan]

That was the Texas A&M coach, spysk.

 

[Bscwatcher]

The whole idea of the zone read offense is to give your QB the option to run the ball. Remember Jordy, that creates a situation for the defensive end to read the play correctly. Last year and so far this year the D ends don't have to read the option because Brady is a very reluctant ball carrier. The run offense will never be consistent against good teams without a QB who is not a threat to run the ball. Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference. Our defense was good last year and saved us many times. This year it looks like more of the same. By the way how about the 90 plays a game and going on 4th down. Its difficult to go on 4th down if its 4th and 7 on your own 24. The "genius" has perfected the 3 and out.

Might have slipped one past the goalie this week, but three first downs in the second half will not win very many games.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Likely true. Although it was good enough to beat the #3 team in the nation. On the road.

Now, getting five gifted turnovers and still barely beating an NEC team at home, that certainly doesn't bode well for your team, does it, catwatcher?

Awesome. Cat watcher?

Because someone puts out a realistic statement you come up with an idiotic comment.

The Cats or anyone else have no bearing on a true statement. Why did you feel you needed to bring the Cats into the conversation?

By the way what is the title of the thread

Eagle watcher
Fighting Hawks watcher
Richmond watcher
Cat watcher
Griz watcher


Those are all the games I watched Saturday night after work do you want the teams they played also


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[spsyk]

Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference.

Please provide a link to an article, any article, in which he referred to himself as a "genius."

I don't believe that coach Stitt ever proclaimed himself as a genius, although other have, and many on eGriz take the praises bestowed upon him as prove of his genius as an OC

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference.

Please provide a link to an article, any article, in which he referred to himself as a "genius."

I don't believe that coach Stitt ever proclaimed himself as a genius, although other have, and many on eGriz take the praises bestowed upon him as prove of his genius as an OC

beaverboy used the term "self proclaimed."

 

[daGrizJ]

Thank you Grizfan-24 for giving a football educated opinion. You have stated many points I have tried to make in a much more informed manner. I appreciated your level headed comments. Plus, so far, your interjections have not allowed 75 and Hellonwheels to highjack yet another thread with their petty bickering.

 

[spsyk]

Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference.

Please provide a link to an article, any article, in which he referred to himself as a "genius."

I don't believe that coach Stitt ever proclaimed himself as a genius, although other have, and many on eGriz take the praises bestowed upon him as prove of his genius as an OC

beaverboy used the term "self proclaimed."

I'm not beaverboy I'm spsyk and I'm stating what I belief.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

[Note: In case anybody is wondering why the hell I'm arguing with spysk, he answered my question to beaverboy (above) with a link to an article about the Texas A&M coach calling Stitt an "offensive genius." Then he removed the post.]

 

[EverettGriz]

The whole idea of the zone read offense is to give your QB the option to run the ball. Remember Jordy, that creates a situation for the defensive end to read the play correctly. Last year and so far this year the D ends don't have to read the option because Brady is a very reluctant ball carrier. The run offense will never be consistent against good teams without a QB who is not a threat to run the ball. Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference. Our defense was good last year and saved us many times. This year it looks like more of the same. By the way how about the 90 plays a game and going on 4th down. Its difficult to go on 4th down if its 4th and 7 on your own 24. The "genius" has perfected the 3 and out.

Might have slipped one past the goalie this week, but three first downs in the second half will not win very many games.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Likely true. Although it was good enough to beat the #3 team in the nation. On the road.

Now, getting five gifted turnovers and still barely beating an NEC team at home, that certainly doesn't bode well for your team, does it, catwatcher?

Awesome. Cat watcher?

Because someone puts out a realistic statement you come up with an idiotic comment.

The Cats or anyone else have no bearing on a true statement. Why did you feel you needed to bring the Cats into the conversation?

By the way what is the title of the thread


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I only bring cats into it when cat fans post dumb shit on a GRIZ board while pretending to be something they're not.

Why do you guys do that? Is it that humiliating to admit you're cat fan?

 

[Bscwatcher]

Might have slipped one past the goalie this week, but three first downs in the second half will not win very many games.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Likely true. Although it was good enough to beat the #3 team in the nation. On the road.

Now, getting five gifted turnovers and still barely beating an NEC team at home, that certainly doesn't bode well for your team, does it, catwatcher?

Awesome. Cat watcher?

Because someone puts out a realistic statement you come up with an idiotic comment.

The Cats or anyone else have no bearing on a true statement. Why did you feel you needed to bring the Cats into the conversation?

By the way what is the title of the thread


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I only bring cats into it when cat fans post dumb shit on a GRIZ board while pretending to be something they're not.

Why do you guys do that? Is it that humiliating to admit you're cat fan?

Fan of the FCS. Thanks.

Quit derailing.

My post fit the title unlike your reply to mine.

Here is my boat

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk