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[statler & waldorf]

Three year contract. Whether it is Stitt's inability to get the players needed, players who just don't get it, or whatever, that contract will be up in December 2017, fifteen months away. I would rather see him succeed. The Griz don't need constant change at Head Coach, of whom we've had four in the last seven years.

 

[UMGriz75]

It's pretty hilarious listening to some of the complaints of people who aren't sold on Stitt, mock him calling him an "offensive genius", etc... it reminds me of when Pflugrad was here, and the comments made in 2011, BEFORE the offense started firing on all cylinders:

Well, this is 15 games and 40 recruits and transfers later ...

 

[reinell30]

It's pretty hilarious listening to some of the complaints of people who aren't sold on Stitt, mock him calling him an "offensive genius", etc... it reminds me of when Pflugrad was here, and the comments made in 2011, BEFORE the offense started firing on all cylinders:

Well, this is 15 games and 40 recruits and transfers later ...

I am all for Stitt! However, I haven't seen his explosive offense yet that I heard about. Will it show up or has it?

 

[maroonandsilver]

Three year contract. Whether it is Stitt's inability to get the players needed, players who just don't get it, or whatever, that contract will be up in December 2017, fifteen months away. I would rather see him succeed. The Griz don't need constant change at Head Coach, of whom we've had four in the last seven years.

Good Grief!!! We are 2-and 0! We just beat a team most did not think we could. At their place. And you are ready to fire the coach.

 

[EverettGriz]

It's pretty hilarious listening to some of the complaints of people who aren't sold on Stitt, mock him calling him an "offensive genius", etc... it reminds me of when Pflugrad was here, and the comments made in 2011, BEFORE the offense started firing on all cylinders:

Well, this is 15 games and 40 recruits and transfers later ...

Note those quotes regarding Robin were from 2011, also HIS second season. It was a great post by Get em.

Today, everyone thinks of Pflugrad's offense as one that lit everyone up. As late into his second season as the 10th game, against a DII even, there was considerable bitching and teeth gnashing concerning the inept offense.

 

[Grisly Fan]

It's pretty hilarious listening to some of the complaints of people who aren't sold on Stitt, mock him calling him an "offensive genius"

No sir, you are wrong. This is not mocking by calling him a "genius", this is potentially mocking others who have called him a genius -- and I say potentially because he might indeed be one but there is scant evidence so suggest it so far.

From this article:

http://lancasteronline.com/sports/f...cle_08d7fd28-9b9f-11e5-b8f6-f3b3104e5cb2.html

"People who know way more about football than we do consider Stitt a genius."

http://www.grizfannews.com/texas-am-oc-i-think-bob-stitt-is-a-genius-fox-sports/

“I think Stitt’s a genius.” Jake Spavital, Texas A&M Offensive Coordinator

I leave rest of the exercise to you. All you have to do is google "Bob Stitt genius" and you'll find many more references.

I sincerely doubt Bob would ever refer to himself as a genius of any kind. He is a humble and genuine person. I make light of the extreme expectations heaped upon him that may be impossible to achieve. I would frankly be happy to discover that he is just a good offensive mind that can lead a team to the top of the FCS. Haven't seen that just yet...

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

Haha, I was definitely guilty of some serious Robin bashing, and by the end of 2011 I had to eat crow.


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[HelenaHandBasket]

I have mentioned this elsewhere, but I think it bears reposting.

1. On Saturday it was a designed element of the game plan, at least Stitt mentioned or inferred as much, and if you want to manage games on the road to prevent risk, not attacking the middle of the field makes sense. A person could complain about all the choice all they want, but I believe it was a conscious decision to avoid the middle of the field.

Why? Because midfield routes are a pain to run, they need to be precise and requires the receiver and QB to be on the same page. Way too many anticipatory windows.

2. You are going to have to handle the zone off of zone read until they make the choice to implement the bubbles or fast screens on the backside of it that they ran last year. You know those awful bubble screens that results in two yard throws that a few egrizzers despise so much? Or even those fly sweep quick passes.

The game was managed to reduce risk and it requires the offense to hit on all cylinders and it didn't on Saturday. You can eviscerate Stitt and Brady all you want, but it was a choice that was made and I believe a smart one to keep the offense in a position with a modicum of execution to prevent the game from getting out of hand. It wasn't sexy and maybe that was the point.

This issue is not limited to just the UNI game. It is also indicative to the limitations that BG has, and the steps that Stitt must take because of those limitations.

The limitations arent just Brady's. I think it is easy to assume otherwise, that Brady is somehow the greatest limitation in the world. I have been around spread passing offenses long enough to know that much of the problems in the offense warranted or not begin and end with the quarterback.

Comes down to executing what you are given and on Saturday there was enough blame to be distributed among all of the offensive personnel.

On those handful of throws over the middle, on at least two or three different occasions the receiver bent off the seam routes to the wrong side. Brady 'appeared' to have thrown behind his intended receiver, but based upon what I saw the receiver might have been in the wrong. There was a decent amount of that on Saturday, and as such I am not one who feels the need to heap this all on Brady's shoulders.

I am in total agreement about execution, or lack of execution but have quit going there because 75 doesn't think it fair to pick on the players. Good post 24. :thumb:

 

[spsyk]

My main gripe is that people keep complaining about Bob Stitt's offense when the QB he has right now hasn't been playing great and several young players who are just starting out. Give it some time.

Will fifteen years be enough time, that is what School of Mines allowed him, before moving on to UM.

Now, lets see, BG is the QB coach Stitt wants,although he is not playing very well, he is playing where he left off last season ( getting humiliated in Fargo, the WR are young ( incidentally IMO he had a stable of fine WR last season ) the OL isn't adequate.

Now, for the good news, the Griz are 2-0 beating barely a team that should not have been any competition other than a warm up game, not playing against your own personnel, and a fine win against a ranked team at their place, thanks to a stellar defense, and ST that had to play better than week one, a run back by a future Griz standout, and touchdown by a pass play that was a complete breakdown of the opposing defense, other than that an offense completely vanilla, and predictable for about 6 3/4 quarters in the first two games. ( Not exactly what is expected for the acclaimed offensive genius, )

Like it or not this is coach Stitt team and personnel,he got rid of what he didn't want, athletes and coaches, and replaced what he wanted with his in house coach and recruits and Juco transfers. ( One point about Juco's, the more you have the more you are going to have a young team ) good programs use them sparingly filling an unexpected deficient position, and developing a team with five year high school athletes, that is what made the Griz in the past a dynasty in the FCS.

To be fair, coach Stitt is only in his second season, and IMO was left a team that was capable to achieve what any coach could have achieve what coach Stitts did in his first season, even coach Delaney.

However,as far as coach Stitt's prowess as an offensive genius, he has not shown anybody shit thus far, just my humble and uneducated opinion....

So if it takes 15 years at UM, like at School of Mines to find this Genius, I have nothing better to do.

 

[Bscwatcher]

The whole idea of the zone read offense is to give your QB the option to run the ball. Remember Jordy, that creates a situation for the defensive end to read the play correctly. Last year and so far this year the D ends don't have to read the option because Brady is a very reluctant ball carrier. The run offense will never be consistent against good teams without a QB who is not a threat to run the ball. Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference. Our defense was good last year and saved us many times. This year it looks like more of the same. By the way how about the 90 plays a game and going on 4th down. Its difficult to go on 4th down if its 4th and 7 on your own 24. The "genius" has perfected the 3 and out.

Might have slipped one past the goalie this week, but three first downs in the second half will not win very many games.


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[HelenaHandBasket]

Now, lets see, BG is the QB coach Stitt wants

Like it or not this is coach Stitt team and personnel,he got rid of what he didn't want, athletes and coaches, and replaced what he wanted with his in house coach and recruits and Juco transfers.

Not sure either of these statements are entirely true.

 

[UMGriz75]

It's pretty hilarious listening to some of the complaints of people who aren't sold on Stitt, mock him calling him an "offensive genius", etc... it reminds me of when Pflugrad was here, and the comments made in 2011, BEFORE the offense started firing on all cylinders:

Well, this is 15 games and 40 recruits and transfers later ...

Note those quotes regarding Robin were from 2011, also HIS second season. It was a great post by Get em.

Robin didn't get nearly the press that Stitt got. I mentioned last year that one problem that GrizNation was going to have, based on my perspective, was to manage expectations about Stitt, which I thought, and still think, were grossly overblown. Not Stitt's fault.

Pflugrad, who also interviewed when Joe Glenn was hired to replace Mick Dennehy in 2000, inherits a team that loses six starters on defense and seven on offense.

But the talent that returns - including Walter Payton Award candidate Chase Reynolds, quarterback Andrew Selle, linebacker Alex Shaw, corner Trumaine Johnson and defensive tackle Tyler Hobbs - is formidable.

"I am looking forward to the challenges of the job, and am excited to get on the recruiting trail," said Pflugrad. "We had a tremendous senior class which needs to be replaced and that will be a daunting challenge, but I look forward to that challenge

Some eGriz fans favored MVD, few seemed to like Pflugrad, some liked Schramm, but most seemed to be banking on Doeren. Last year, a lot liked the idea of bringing in Griz god Dave Dickenson, but many cooled on that idea this year for some reason. The major drawback for MVD for many was their inability to get past the idea that NAIA is "barely a step above HS," completely ignoring MVD's FBS experience. The biggest drawing cards for Pflugrad seems to be their children, who they think may transfer to UM: son Aaron (an Arizona WR), and Amanda (an Oregon cheerleader). A lot of eGriz fans want to "console" Amanda after the Ducks' woeful performance vs. Ohio State in yesterday's Rose Bowl. LOL.

http://www.bigskyfans.com/hornets/viewtopic.php?t=664

 

[spsyk]

Now, lets see, BG is the QB coach Stitt wants

Like it or not this is coach Stitt team and personnel,he got rid of what he didn't want, athletes and coaches, and replaced what he wanted with his in house coach and recruits and Juco transfers.

Not sure either of these statements are entirely true.

Well, then what is he entirely doing about it, and what is not entirely true????

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Show your hands. Who really cares what 75's perspective is? I will hang up and listen.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Now, lets see, BG is the QB coach Stitt wants

Like it or not this is coach Stitt team and personnel,he got rid of what he didn't want, athletes and coaches, and replaced what he wanted with his in house coach and recruits and Juco transfers.

Not sure either of these statements are entirely true.

Well, then what is he entirely doing about it, and what is not entirely true????

I don't think BG is entirely what Stitt wants in a QB and I don't think he has the units he would like, for various reasons, at a few other position groups.

 

[UMGriz75]

August 10:

On the offensive side of the ball, the inside receivers and running backs picked up a large portion of the touches, and the team capped the practice with seven-on-seven session to work in the new plays against a semi-live defense.

"In two days, we've installed everything," said head coach Bob Stitt. "We threw a lot at the guys, and we got better today. We'll cut it back tomorrow when we get into pads, but continue to challenge each other to get better."
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And like on the first day, the Grizzlies responded well to the installation of the offense, with veterans and newcomers alike looking sharp.

"It looks like we've been practicing a long time, but it's only been a couple of days and we've already got everything in," said Stitt.

Apparently, what we are seeing is the "installed" offense.

 

[UMGriz75]

Show your hands. Who really cares what 75's perspective is? I will hang up and listen.

The Troll in you needs dinner.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Show your hands. Who really cares what 75's perspective is? I will hang up and listen.

The Troll in you needs dinner.

I am not at the point in my life that I get excited for the Early-Bird Special, but you have fun.

 

[EverettGriz]

The whole idea of the zone read offense is to give your QB the option to run the ball. Remember Jordy, that creates a situation for the defensive end to read the play correctly. Last year and so far this year the D ends don't have to read the option because Brady is a very reluctant ball carrier. The run offense will never be consistent against good teams without a QB who is not a threat to run the ball. Our self proclaimed "genius" has developed the most predictable offensive scheme in the Big Sky conference. Our defense was good last year and saved us many times. This year it looks like more of the same. By the way how about the 90 plays a game and going on 4th down. Its difficult to go on 4th down if its 4th and 7 on your own 24. The "genius" has perfected the 3 and out.

Might have slipped one past the goalie this week, but three first downs in the second half will not win very many games.


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Likely true. Although it was good enough to beat the #3 team in the nation. On the road.

Now, getting five gifted turnovers and still barely beating an NEC team at home, that certainly doesn't bode well for your team, does it, catwatcher?

 

[spsyk]

Now, lets see, BG is the QB coach Stitt wants

Like it or not this is coach Stitt team and personnel,he got rid of what he didn't want, athletes and coaches, and replaced what he wanted with his in house coach and recruits and Juco transfers.

Not sure either of these statements are entirely true.

Well, then what is he entirely doing about it, and what is not entirely true????

I don't think BG is entirely what Stitt wants in a QB and I don't think he has the units he would like, for various reasons, at a few other position groups.

That is what the entire off season is for, to make these corrections, coach Stitt is not only the OC he is the Head Coach.

If BG is not the QB he wants, why is he the QB.

What other units is he uncomfortable with ?? what are the various reasons ??? and what other position groups ???