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Ramos into the portal

5280Griz said:
We should be scouring the portal for defensive lineman because we obviously can’t develop them. Our best defensive lineman this season transferred in from NAIA Carroll College.
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Aren’t you supporting Cignetti’s claim regarding bringing in lower division players, for whatever reason(s), have been more successful? Is it a “want to-will do” which may be a decisive factor, where the lower division players are more hungry ? Maybe that is part of it.
 
uofmman1122 said:
He didn't continue because he wasn't offered to stay. Bobby wanted Kent Baer to coach linebackers, not Niekamp. You're making shit up here.
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Neikamp was at UM Stitt's last 2 years. He was the ST coordinator and LB coach. Hauck wasn't going to keep his as ST coordinator either. And you mentioned Baer. Niekamp went to OK St. As you said, 5280 is just making up stuff.
 
Griz til I die said:
Makes me wonder if we landed Hanks. I wish Ramos all the best, but I thought he really struggled this year. TBH, I thought our best DT this year was Semaulo, and I thought Bailey came on strong towards the end. If we did indeed land Hanks to go along with Bailey and Semaulo, then that's a group I can feel good about!
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Unless Semaulo puts on 20-30 pounds he's going to get swallowed against the run. I can't imagine a scheme where your nose is 265 going against 290+
 
mthoopsfan said:
That's not accurate. It's beaten the majority of MV teams including 4 this season and the Cats on occasion. It hasn't beaten the Cats consistently. The Cats, with their D, have not done as well against MV teams as the Griz have. Why don't you just stick to the facts, and not make up stuff?
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The Griz have lost 8 of the last 10 games and you're calling that not beating the Cats consistently?
THAT'S not accurate. Then you have the audacity to tell someone to stick to the facts?
And you're still on here claiming the Griz have returned to dominance.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
They also had different dudes upfront. We for whatever reason can’t recruit the equivalents.
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But, then that means the scheme isn't the problem, right? The players or execution of it is the problem. ISU's 3-3-5 defense did everything necessary to win that game.

I think there is a lot more focus that should be put on the strength training than anything else. You can recruit the best kids, train them in football skills and mindset, and coach them up on the scheme perfectly, but if your defensive line is getting pushed back with consistency and your offensive line isn't getting a similar push with consistency, then it will be hard to be the best in the nation.

With the 3-3-5, the Griz were pretty obviously a top 3 team in the country.

I really don't think the Griz need to completely scrap the defense and the recruiting when the team is THIS close.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
But, then that means the scheme isn't the problem, right? The players or execution of it is the problem. ISU's 3-3-5 defense did everything necessary to win that game.

I think there is a lot more focus that should be put on the strength training than anything else. You can recruit the best kids, train them in football skills and mindset, and coach them up on the scheme perfectly, but if your defensive line is getting pushed back with consistency and your offensive line isn't getting a similar push with consistency, then it will be hard to be the best in the nation.

With the 3-3-5, the Griz were pretty obviously a top 3 team in the country.

I really don't think the Griz need to completely scrap the defense and the recruiting when the team is THIS close.
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What we saw in both bobcat games as far as the defense is concerned was not close at all. Past 3 match ups they've ran 200 yards plus.
 
The question is can we realistically have an elite nose tackle to effectively run the 3-3-5? It seems to me that has only happened with Gubner. Our 3-3-5 is also more difficult for first year players starting to learn than the 4-2-5 that 90% of teams use in college football.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
They rushed for 101 yards vs ISU. That is my point.
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But apparently our 3-3-5 is nowhere near Isu without a Gubner. The Offense was there and now it's TBA with what the offensive line will look like and if eli comes back. Our D compared to the schools that wins titles is far behind.
 
Downwiththefoe1 said:
But apparently our 3-3-5 is nowhere near Isu without a Gubner. The Offense was there and now it's TBA with what the offensive line will look like and if eli comes back. Our D compared to the schools that wins titles is far behind.
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Did they have Gubner? No. They did not.

Georgia has successfully used the 3-3-5 to win a national title. ISU was right there. TCU has run the 3-3-5 and played for a national title.

My point was that the base defensive scheme is clearly not the issue when it can perform at that level. So, the next step in diagnosing a problem is moving on to what other cause it could be. And, again, I would point out the among the top three FCS teams in the country, two of the top 3 this year ran the 3-3-5. The Grizzlies were one of those teams.
 
Downwiththefoe1 said:
But apparently our 3-3-5 is nowhere near Isu without a Gubner. The Offense was there and now it's TBA with what the offensive line will look like and if eli comes back. Our D compared to the schools that wins titles is far behind.
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Huh. UM beat 4 MV teams this season including SDSU in playoffs. As you know, SDSU beat the Cats this season. You are just making up stuff and not using facts or reality. Gubner was great, but the D works well without him too.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Did they have Gubner? No. They did not.

Georgia has successfully used the 3-3-5 to win a national title. ISU was right there. TCU has run the 3-3-5 and played for a national title.

My point was that the base defensive scheme is clearly not the issue when it can perform at that level. So, the next step in diagnosing a problem is moving on to what other cause it could be. And, again, I would point out the among the top three FCS teams in the country, two of the top 3 this year ran the 3-3-5.
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And UM adjust from the 3-3-5 as necessary, and it also uses more lineman including down lineman. Solo was as big and forceful as a DL anyway. Those guys just have a narrative. And they have no clue about D schemes.
 
mthoopsfan said:
And UM adjust from the 3-3-5 as necessary, and it also uses more lineman including down lineman. Solo was as big and forceful as a DL anyway. Those guys just have a narrative. And they have no clue about D schemes.
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They don't want to talk about how much Georgia was running a 3-3-5 with an undersized edge to win a national title just a few years ago. The Eagles drafted Nolan Smith and still run three down linemen concepts with Smith coming as an edge rusher from an OLB spot.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
They don't want to talk about how much Georgia was running a 3-3-5 with an undersized edge to win a national title just a few years ago. The Eagles drafted Nolan Smith and still run three down linemen concepts with Smith coming as an edge rusher from an OLB spot.
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Can we stop bringing up a school that was loaded with 4 and 5 star talent at every position as the example?

I enjoy the chaos of the 3-3-5 and when we had the right pieces at NT, CB, DE and S with a solid LB crew it was fun to watch especially with Bradfords tweaks to Baers chaos. It destroyed lesser teams but always had problems against the few elite programs. Unfortunately the speed and execution is much less in ‘24 and ‘25 than what it was previously.

The biggest problem against big valley teams or MSU is that you have so much pressure on the second level that it is easy to get creased with good OL moving up to the second level and it always seems to have an issue with backside contain due to how you have to flow. It happens over and over again and the stats in those games against the elites prove that.

We get better dudes than most other programs we compete against, so let’s let them be dudes, cover gaps and force teams to beat the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s.

If the stubbornness to stick with the 3-3-5 remains then we need some athletic beef along the defensive line. I’m tired of watching 245 lb DE and 260-280 lb tackles get moved 2-3 yards off the ball when we need a stop. Watch that final drive from the brawl 1.0 this year over and over. If you can stomach that for 60 minutes at a time you don’t know what you’re watching.
 
Dont Kick 2 Bergen said:
So do you think if we cant get 3 guys on the DL bigger than 245-260 we can get 4 of them?

This argument is super silly
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Perhaps the issue is in the strength program or in recruiting rather than the scheme. The top MVFC teams don’t have an issue getting those guys on their DL. Do any of the FCS teams with those guys have a strength program ran by someone with a journalism degree? I don’t know of any.
 
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